Batman Begins The REAL reason why Batman Begins is so well regarded

[The Kid]

Overrated?

Sure.......whatever you say.......(rolling eyes..)

Ok, I'll change my mind right now. I say it's a perfect movie. Now what?

 

[El Payaso]

Wow, it worked!

 

[theMan-Bat]

 

[Nightwing1977]

I liked Batman Begins but I'm definitely in the Burton camp and I think that the REAL reason why BB is so well regarded is that some people are so impressed by the inclusion of minute details from the comics that they're willing to completely overlook the fact that movie was lacking in the mystery and excitement necessary (imo) to really due Batman justice.

It was more than just details from the comics. It where they finally treated Batman right this time & the story was better. And exactly how was the movie lacking the mystery & excitement? Because it wasn't the same as Burton's films? I disagree completely there on how many of us (including me) were impressed because it was true to the comic with details & such.

I'm glad they're taking the franchise in a serious direction, but they have some major catching up to do in terms of entertainment value.

That what the sequels are for. I think many don't find BB have much entertainment value, is because they want too much action. BB not suppose to have a lot of action, since it the beginning of his story. Like I said eariler, the sequels should give us more than what BB did.

Horribly conceived (and executed) action sequences, coupled with stilted dialogue and cornball lines left me wanting more, to say the least, hehe.

Horrible action sequences? We seen that too many times with Burton & Schmuacher. I applause Nolan for taking the action in a different way. I wanted the action something new & I got that with BB. And you think the dialogue are stilted & the lines are cheesy? You forgot about Burton's one.

"Eat floor, high fiber."

"And where is the Batman? He's at home washing his tights!". <----Uggh!

"I was their number one child, but they treated me like number two."


Thing is, superhero movies is known for having lot of cheesy lines. Even the best comic book movie ever made have 'em. It common nowdays anyway, so don't act like BB have cheesy lines like it the only comic book movie to have one.

 

[Mr. Socko]

The critics love it because it's so grounded to reality.

 

[theMan-Bat]

Lol.

 

[theMan-Bat]

Yeah, B89 just doens't seem to have aged well. I mean... music by Prince?!? wtf?

LOL. Watch what you say about Prince..you might get smacked!

 

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Keep in mind everybody; Yes, this thread is the antithesis of the pre-existing and similarly named thread, but it's all in good fun and love of Batman. I liked Batman Begins but I'm definitely in the Burton camp and I think that the REAL reason why BB is so well regarded is that some people are so impressed by the inclusion of minute details from the comics that they're willing to completely overlook the fact that movie was lacking in the mystery and excitement necessary (imo) to really due Batman justice. I'm glad they're taking the franchise in a serious direction, but they have some major catching up to do in terms of entertainment value. Horribly conceived (and executed) action sequences, coupled with stilted dialogue and cornball lines left me wanting more, to say the least, hehe.

Personally I liked the realism but that's just me

 

[theMan-Bat]

Realism? Like the Tumbler roof surfing, without drooping into somebody's apartment?

 

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Well there was some poetic justice...is that the term...dude...it's a fantasy in a made up city...but it was more real than any other batman out there.

 

[mano012sg]

Aside from The Man who Falls, I haven't read a single comic in my life. I know a lot about them from what I read on these boards, but I actually haven't read them. I'm more into the DCAU. Regardless, I think the film's inclusion of elements of the Batman stories only enhance the story-telling, not define it. They aren't the "REAL reson why Batman Begins is so well regarded." Because, if they were, how do explain the millions of other viewers (most of whom aren't comic followers) who enjoyed the film? And what about most of the critics?

As for entertainment value, I guess you just have different tastes than I do.

EDIT: Oh, and I don't think you are in any position to tell us that BB had "horribly conceived and exected action sequences," especially when you take into consideration the action sequences in B89 and BR.

Just to clarify, I've always disliked the Burton movies. The man hasn't made a genuinely good film in a very long time.

Burton film, my friend..., doesn't talk about batman's origins ALMOST at all. all we get are flashes and that's it. I know coz i got introduced to Batman (so was no preconceived notions) by watching that film. BAts comes in and does his thing, growls , no thats BB, tells the thief who he is and tells him to tell his men. All we expect is when batman will come out. its from the gothamites point of view...and does little justice to BAtman. the BTAS was good in that respect. adventures with troubles he faced as batman. + graphics.it had the most mystique.

BB however, is the first film that goes into the psyche of the bat. which is what the whole thing is about. there's no mystique, true...but what kinda mystique are you expecting? if its BTAS style, relax...BB was just the beginning.

 

[El Payaso]

BB however, is the first film that goes into the psyche of the bat.

False. It did, but it's not the only one.

You say that because of the amount of screentime dedicated to the origin?

 

[batmaluco]

Even BF (which I dislike) went into the psyque of the Bat.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Ok, I'll change my mind right now. I say it's a perfect movie. Now what?

(cracks open a case of beer) Welcome, brother. Welcome.

Is that Hulk Hogan????!!!! A bodyguard back in the day, huh??

Realism? Like the Tumbler roof surfing, without drooping into somebody's apartment?

Actually, the Tumbler interface system provides information on which rooftops can hold the weight of the Tumbler. Not far fetched, since building plans should provide information on weight distribution and such. So, that's the explanation for that.

Even BF (which I dislike) went into the psyque of the Bat.

It actually went pretty well in there, but the deleted scenes are proof it could have been so much better. But, yeah....I think BF went into Bats' psyche probably more than any of the PRE-Begins films.

 

[Mr. Socko]

WTF, is that really Hulk Hogan!?!?!

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

With further study.....it's can;t be. I don't think Hogan has ever let himself go that much.

 

[theMan-Bat]

That's not Hulk Hogan or a redneck biker, lol. That's Big Chick Huntsberry. Prince's bodyguard and friend back in the day. Famous for beating up phographers who had the audacity to take a picture of Prince, lol. "I'd smack 'em once, and they'd come right back so's I could smack 'em again! I was used to smacking people, I thought, Man, this is too easy, I'm gonna have to make some trouble! I'd hit em, down they went. I'd jump down and kick 'em about three or four times, ram there heads into the wall, four or five times." Prince was accused of sicking his bodyguard on people.

 

[kenellard]

Hey, maybe in a few years time, maybe when BB2 comes out , if it happens to be very much better, people will finally see BB as it really is and stop sugarcoating it! Until then i doubt they will really give it a more investigative/deeper look. Just thinking of the fear gaz effect makes me want to laugh...

oh my freaking god! I completely agree and I've said this before, it's what I call "episode 1" syndrome, people rant and rave about it because there hasn't been a decent bat-movie for over ten years, ignoring the fact that BB was really at best, pretty average. When BB2 comes out hopefully the honeymoon will be over for begins, we'll start seeing polls on here like "BB or BF?" oh, oh I can't wait....

 

[Mr. Socko]

That's not Hulk Hogan or a redneck biker, lol. That's Big Chick Huntsberry. Prince's bodyguard and friend back in the day. Famous for beating up phographers who had the audacity to take a picture of Prince, lol. "I'd smack 'em once, and they'd come right back so's I could smack 'em again! I was used to smacking people, I thought, Man, this is too easy, I'm gonna have to make some trouble! I'd hit em, down they went. I'd jump down and kick 'em about three or four times, ram there heads into the wall, four or five times." Prince was accused of sicking his bodyguard on people.

Lol

I knew it wasn't Hogan because he didn't have hair on his head in 89.

 

[Bathead]

I don't know, it seems a good number of Burton fans seem threatened by the popularity of Begins and somehow feel the need to belittle it by saying it's popular amongst "fanboys" (meant to be an insult) for all the wrong reasons, because "Doggonit, I like B '89 better, and I'm always right, so they must be wrong, let's see what reasons I can make up to support my position that Begins is not as good." Relax, Burton fans, so more people seem to like Begins more than B'89? What the hell should you care? Same goes for those Begins fans who get their panties in a bunch when someone says B '89 is a better movie. I really don't see the necessity for being so condescending.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I love Batman '89 just as much as Batman Begins.

 

[The Kid]

I love 89 more than IMO overrated begins (like how SM1 is overrated and you know it) and BTAS more than both of them.
and
Don't get me started on how much I love Adam West's Batman though. He's better than all of them }:B.

Now Begins two wiil probably be the best batman movie ever. Let's see why in the next sentence. It's just got everything set-up perfectly for it now, much like begins, without the extra need to prove itself as a viable franchise. The older movies proved what worked and what did not. The last film left audiences eager for more batman and his girlfriend's fun adventures, or atleast me. And anything that was criticized about begins like the invisible fight scenes and shakey cam etc. etc. will be rectified for Begins 2, no doubt.

Now Bathead, I feel exactly the same way about what you say but backwards: Beginners belittling 89, arguably the reason begins exists today. I understand 89 was a different from the comic. I'm not that stupid, but so many beginners in old begins threads were putting it down in completely irrelevant ways to the thread's topic, it was just cruel. But we do that to shoemaker's movies all the time, so I guess I shouldn't be so sensitive. Maybe there's one person out there who actually liked those things. I know I loved Forever as a kid, but can't stand to watch it now because of how stupid it is.

I'm just sick of the burton bashing out of no-where when I'm reading a decent thread that has nothing to do with burton's movie. am I the only one? I don'tknow.

 

[kenellard]

I agree, and I think it's a bad sign when someone starts talking crap about one of burton's or even one of schumacher's bat-films as an argument for how great begins is, it's a sorry state of affairs

 

[Bathead]

Well, as I said in my post, it goes both ways. I don't see the need for *anyone*, Burton *or* Nolan fan to be condescending and insulting to each other. I only mentioned the Burton fans first (and not exclusively, re-read my post), because the thread was started by a Burton fan who felt it necessary to bash Begins and it's fans. It wasn't.

 

[El Payaso]

And of course one Burton fan justify the whole bunch to be harshed.

Well, I was the first one saying the inconvenience of the thread.