The "realism" thread

[Red.Star.Killer]

Haha. That was just bad.

Lol, that is was! If ever there was a moment to break the fourth wall and go wtf, that would've been it.

Personally, the main characters getting to survive what would kill anybody else, merely because they are main characters is a stretch that I don't care for. Quite frankly, I hate it, and I'm tired of seeing it in movies.

I hear what you're saying, but a good way around that would be to avoid it all together. But if they did that, they would lose the drama. Betty would've had to have been in danger at some point to get Hulk mad enough to win. If it wasn't the chopper crash, then it would've been A-Bomb squeezing the life out of her lol.

Just watch, Thanos will be apprehended by the NYPD after crashing the Thanos Copter in Avengers.

Lmao, I just got a cool idea for a fan fiction!

d00d, Batman would not die of heat exhaustion, he is smarter than that. That is the reason why he only fights crime at night. Temperature at night in Gotham is always cool and Batman also has insulated AC in the suit for when the night is humid. Lots of people have thermal underwear, he has cooling underwear.

You forget that Christian Bale is a method actor. Before the filming of TDK, he went out in the streets of Chicago and fought crime for a few nights. I got all of this from the World News Weekly so it must be true

Tis true, there was an alley brawl that even saw the police feel Bale's wrath for trying to stop it. I believe upon tossing an officer through a window he said, "Eat glass lawman!". I got chills, lol.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I hear what you're saying, but a good way around that would be to avoid it all together. But if they did that, they would lose the drama. Betty would've had to have been in danger at some point to get Hulk mad enough to win. If it wasn't the chopper crash, then it would've been A-Bomb squeezing the life out of her lol.

To me, you lose the drama if they survive only because they are the main characters. It kills all the tension and suspense, because no matter what happens to them, no matter how stupid they, they will survive to get pointlessly imperiled again.

 

[Red.Star.Killer]

To me, you lose the drama if they survive only because they are the main characters. It kills all the tension and suspense, because no matter what happens to them, no matter how stupid they, they will survive to get pointlessly imperiled again.

True, but it's a stable of the comic film now. It can't not happen, unless they pull a nolan and create a new character of their own for the film. That's the only way consequences can have realistic applications to those characters. At the very best all we can hope for is what we got in the opening which saw Generl Ross over an unconscious Betty telling Bruce to stop.

 

[Godzilla2014]

True, but it's a stable of the comic film now. It can't not happen, unless they pull a nolan and create a new character of their own for the film.

No it's not a staple of comic films. It's a staple of action, sci-fi, and even horror movies. Just because it's a staple doesn't mean it can't be left out, and the film would be better for the absence of it.

 

[El Payaso]

Well, they got Cyclops, Jane Gray and Xavier killed, didn't they?

And I LOVED that.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

The Dark Knight wasn't a great film because it was realistic
It was great because of 3 dimensional characters and conflicts
It was great because it had themes that resonated with the real world
It was great because Nolan created a world where Batman existed
Not a world in which Batman could exist but rather what it would be like if we had Batman

If Nolan directed X-Men I bet we would end up with something very similar to First Class except there would be this whole sequence showing us gene's mutating and news broadcasts about the horrible mutants and people commenting about it. Oh and John F. Kennedy would try to hire the X-Men. Not to mention weird metaphors.

1. Make a great film
2. Populate with comic book characters
3. ???
4. Profit!

 

[Red.Star.Killer]

Well, they got Cyclops, Jane Gray and Xavier killed, didn't they?

And I LOVED that.

That is true, easily the most powerful parts of that film. The rest was meh. It wasn't that bad really. Sure compared to the first two I see the complaints, but it wasn't like origins.

No it's not a staple of comic films. It's a staple of action, sci-fi, and even horror movies. Just because it's a staple doesn't mean it can't be left out, and the film would be better for the absence of it.

Yes it is: To name a few
The Spider-Man films (most assuredly the upcoming ASM)
Punisher Warzone
Ghost Rider
Incredible Hulk
The Superman films
The Batman Films
Blade
Constantine

True they could leave it out, but if a major character gets killed off most would hate it. Part of the hate for X3 is based on that. I didn't mind because it's just a movie, if I want the true source material I'll just stick to the comics. However, what applies to one set of characters in film should apply to all. And that won't happen, thus it makes it pointless. If the stakes of life or death aren't as high for the main character as they are for his supporting cast what's the point? Will Batman or any hero die in their own film? And if they won't, is it really far fetched that the hot chick they love will see another day?

 

[roach]

The Dark Knight wasn't a great film because it was realistic
It was great because of 3 dimensional characters and conflicts
It was great because it had themes that resonated with the real world
It was great because Nolan created a world where Batman existed
Not a world in which Batman could exist but rather what it would be like if we had Batman

If Nolan directed X-Men I bet we would end up with something very similar to First Class except there would be this whole sequence showing us gene's mutating and news broadcasts about the horrible mutants and people commenting about it. Oh and John F. Kennedy would try to hire the X-Men. Not to mention weird metaphors.

1. Make a great film
2. Populate with comic book characters
3. ???
4. Profit!

its not that TDK used it too much...just that too many people try to ape that style with properties that have fantastical elements. Everything has to be explained now in an attempt to imitate TDK.

 

[ChickenScratch]

So then the problem is not TDK then is it? It's what came after.

 

[Godzilla2014]

So then the problem is not TDK then is it? It's what came after.

Huh? I love The Dark Knight, it's my favorite superhero film of all time. I was saying that I am surprised that we haven't seen many attempts to rip it off as a result of its immense success.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

The problem is they try to rip off the easier elements of HURR! DERK & GRETTY!! as opposed to making a genuinely good film.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Still, it's not realistic, is it?

F*** no. Didn't they substitute actual material the suit was made with other material (in the movie)?

its not that TDK used it too much...just that too many people try to ape that style with properties that have fantastical elements. Everything has to be explained now in an attempt to imitate TDK.

Its been three years now but we haven't seen any film actually ape TDK.

Who cares what the fanboys are saying? They don't make the films.

This year sees the release of Thor and Green Lantern, your fears seem evidently unfounded.

 

[Godzilla2014]

F*** no. Didn't they substitute actual material the suit was made with other material?



Its been three years now - but we haven't seen any film actually ape TDK.

Who cares what the fanboys are saying? They don't make the films.

This year sees the release of Thor and Green Lantern, your fears seem evidently unfounded.

I agree

 

[ChickenScratch]

Huh? I love The Dark Knight, it's my favorite superhero film of all time. I was saying that I am surprised that we haven't seen many attempts to rip it off as a result of its immense success.

I wasn't responding to you, but yes, TDK casts a huge shadow and you do see bits of it pretty frequently.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Well, they got Cyclops, Jane Gray and Xavier killed, didn't they?

And I LOVED that.

I agree. I liked that the film took risks like that.

 

[roach]

So then the problem is not TDK then is it? It's what came after.

its the perception that every property can be "Nolan-ized". I get saddened when I hear someone mention that something cant be done in a movie..dont get me wrong the early comics were full of some crazy things...but I dont think everything can be shunted in the name of realism.
Think of movies like Clash of the Titans. In it we had Gods and Goddesses, Titans, winged horses, trips to the underworld, giant scorpions and magical weapons....at no time did anyone require an explanation on how Zeus threw lightning bolts or how a horse got wings.These fantastical things are part of the genre and no one bats an eye when we see them.
So why isnt it the same for superhero movies?
Why is it that the most basic parts of the superhero genre need to be explained away???

 

[Godzilla2014]

its the perception that every property can be "Nolan-ized". I get saddened when I hear someone mention that something cant be done in a movie..dont get me wrong the early comics were full of some crazy things...but I dont think everything can be shunted in the name of realism.
Think of movies like Clash of the Titans. In it we had Gods and Goddesses, Titans, winged horses, trips to the underworld, giant scorpions and magical weapons....at no time did anyone require an explanation on how Zeus threw lightning bolts or how a horse got wings.These fantastical things are part of the genre and no one bats an eye when we see them.
So why isnt it the same for superhero movies?
Why is it that the most basic parts of the superhero genre need to be explained away???

Superheroes are a bit different from Greek mythology like Clash of the Titans, mostly in that 99% superhero stories are set in some version of our world. Not saying that justifies stripping the core out of the property in question, but just that I think that is why.

 

[JAK®]

To me, you lose the drama if they survive only because they are the main characters. It kills all the tension and suspense, because no matter what happens to them, no matter how stupid they, they will survive to get pointlessly imperiled again.

Welcome to fiction.

 

[Travesty]

its not that TDK used it too much...just that too many people try to ape that style with properties that have fantastical elements. Everything has to be explained now in an attempt to imitate TDK.

Yeah, there's always trends in Hollywood. After the first Matrix came out, every movie tried to use the same style. It's kinda annoying.

 

[ChickenScratch]

its the perception that every property can be "Nolan-ized". I get saddened when I hear someone mention that something cant be done in a movie..dont get me wrong the early comics were full of some crazy things...but I dont think everything can be shunted in the name of realism.
Think of movies like Clash of the Titans. In it we had Gods and Goddesses, Titans, winged horses, trips to the underworld, giant scorpions and magical weapons....at no time did anyone require an explanation on how Zeus threw lightning bolts or how a horse got wings.These fantastical things are part of the genre and no one bats an eye when we see them.
So why isnt it the same for superhero movies?
Why is it that the most basic parts of the superhero genre need to be explained away???

Batman's t6he number one selling book every week. He's the top superhero at the box office, I don't know how much merch he sells but he's gotta be up there with Superman and Mickey Mouse. It's a sad truth that if something works it'll get copied (still waiting on the Asylum superhero movie). A good director takes a certain path, it works and now the path's a freeway. The tone an approach works well for Batman, too bad people don't think in terms of what is good for their project rather than what is popular.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I just re-read the opening post and the 2 examples I cited-more durable-looking costume for Superman and a more "home-made" one for Spidey-have both happened. Huh.

 

[JAK®]

I thought you brought this thread back from the dead to talk about the people who said that Catwoman looking like a cat is unrealistic in the Nolan -I mean- Batman boards.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I was coming to that next. I just found the situation ironic.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Originally Posted by roach
its not that TDK used it too much...just that too many people try to ape that style with properties that have fantastical elements. Everything has to be explained now in an attempt to imitate TDK.

What superhero movie aped TDK since it came out three years ago? I don't count even one. Where are these fictional Superhero films that are supposedly TDKlite?

 

[Chris Wallace]

The success of Avengers proves that a comic book movie DOES NOT have to be "realistic" to be accepted. Moviegoers happily watched a ragtag team of superheroes, IN COLORFUL COSTUMES, strike from a flying fortress to thwart an alien invasion led by a mythological god wielding a magic cube.