The Dark Knight The Realism Debate thread

[Mr. Socko]

they used like 4 different capes. the same with superman.
its to make it more cool. not everythign is realistic. and nolan never said that it was.

Most of us are quite aware of that.

 

[dark_b]

Most of us are quite aware of that.

i didnt quote you. my post was for the 20% posters here who think that BB was realistic like some guys thinks that bourne was realistic.

 

[El Payaso]

This?

Used in posters:

Exactly, that shot. Great picture and poster but wasn't like that in the actual movie at all.

lol @ how Batman's cape obviously isn't that long when it's not rigid. Kinda like how Keaton's cape would magically suspend in the air stiffly.

No lol man. It worked in both cases.

 

[TheLongestDay]

Hey Mr.Socko,sorry to go off topic but have you seen this?

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34218

not much but sounds cool

 

[Mr. Socko]

Exactly, that shot. Great picture and poster but wasn't like that in the actual movie at all.


No lol man. It worked in both cases.

It does work there, but I didn't like it in one particular scene. Btw, what scene is that poster picture from? Is it when he crashes into Arkham? I can't remember exactly.

Hey Mr.Socko,sorry to go off topic but have you seen this?

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34218

not much but sounds cool

I've heard about the Russian extra on Indy 4 but haven't seen that article, thanks.

 

[Numez]

gee i don't know guys, with Batman apparently leaping off of cars we can't expect a realistic movie.

 

[Gianakin_]

So? Did you get disappointed?

 

[Numez]

i like that photo of Bale up there it should have been in the movie.

 

[Mr. Socko]

A quick reference, and I see, yes yes. It was indeed in the movie. It's when he jumps down the balcony in Arkham.

 

[The Dark Guybrush]

A quick reference, and I see, yes yes. It was indeed in the movie. It's when he jumps down the balcony in Arkham.

this is the truth. post production took out the roof scaffolding (that batman was wired to) and added a whole lot of CGI batness.

 

[Luchastyle]

i wonder if that leaked pic that has batman leaping down in a similar way onto a car will involve bats as well. some people might not like the idea of him doing the bat thing again, but it would still be cool.

 

[dark_b]

i wonder if that leaked pic that has batman leaping down in a similar way onto a car will involve bats as well. some people might not like the idea of him doing the bat thing again, but it would still be cool.

there is a way to do it different. and IMO if there is a director that will do it different its nolan.

 

[Luchastyle]

indeed

 

[MAKIEVELLI]

I see where you're going. But even 'credible' is a bit, hmmm.
How about "More-suspension-of-disbeliefability"?

What were some of the most unbelievable things to you guys?

Oddly, the microwave emitter theory was more plausible than one would think.

For me it was stuff like Bruce using one arm to bicep curl Liam Neesons entire body when he saved him on the cliff.

Also, climbing all the way to the top of the sears tower or whatever simply to sit there. How convenient is it to strike at crime from that vantage point? You are at the top of a skyscraper Bruce. The criminals are all on the first floor. I get that its good to have a vantage point, but when everyone looks like ants?

Little things, s'all.

I think was trying to show how strong Bruce was. Batman is the greatest fighter in the world, right? It's little subtle showcases like that that really made me love BB all the more.

 

[Figs]

I think was trying to show how strong Bruce was. Batman is the greatest fighter in the world, right? It's little subtle showcases like that that really made me love BB all the more.

That and the whole adrenaline rush on top of him being extremely strong. I had no problem with that scene, especially after seeing the way Bale was making those breathless groans once he got Neeson up, like it took everything out of him and was pretty damn painful.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

I have a problem with realism to a point. When it starts intruding on the suspension of disbelief, then it bothers me.

In BB, it caused the film to explain everything in an in-my-face manner. But that was probably because of oyer's poor writing ability.

I don't think it's gonna happen on TDK.

 

[MAKIEVELLI]

I have a problem with realism to a point. When it starts intruding on the suspension of disbelief, then it bothers me.

In BB, it caused the film to explain everything in an in-my-face manner. But that was probably because of oyer's poor writing ability.

I don't think it's gonna happen on TDK.

How was the explaining "IN YOUR FACE?"

 

[The-Dark-Knight]

If you want realism dont watch a Batman Movie.

Peoplecan argueall they like till the fecking cow's come home that Batman Begins and Dark Knight are realistic, quite simply put there not.

They may be more realistic than say X Men, have realistic elements, but at the end of the day it'sstill a guy who dresses as a bat, drives a 'batmobile' solves crimes in a cave and fights a clown.

Nolan can strive to be realistic and fans can say how great it is, but its Batman, Batman as much as i love the character theres only so far you can go down the realistic route.

 

[Swordmaster]

How was the explaining "IN YOUR FACE?"

I hope Doc doesn't mind my explaining, but the way they (Goyer) told you everything about everything would do it. This is not just the Batsuit, but the motivations behind almost every character were stated in EXPLICIT detail. Now, I'm as big a fan of the monologue as much as the next guy, but I would like there to be a little "Detective work" done on the part of the viewers.

Ra's/Ducard's is a great example. One of the highlights of the script.

 

[TNC9852002]

Bruce Wayne has that kind of,....peak Olympic-level comic booky type of strength that I think the movie was trying to show off. I bet in a life and death situation, a similar man may have been able to lift someone with one arm like that...ya know...Sort of.

Like they say, Bruce's anger gives him strength. I guess he taps into that when he wants to kick **** up.

-TNC

 

[BubbaGump]

How was the explaining "IN YOUR FACE?"

"When the pressure reaches us, the whole place...is gonna BLOW!"

 

[DocLathropBrown]

"When the pressure reaches us, the whole place...is gonna BLOW!"

Three or four occurances of that one in less than 20 minutes, no less.

 

[Gianakin_]

Yeah, that particular part was a bit much and degraded the flow of the battle.

 

[Mr. Socko]

In casting Batman Begins, as with all other aspects of the production, director Christopher Nolan strived to create an epic feel that underscores the film's realism.

Following Nolan's mantra of realism, it was important that every aspect of the Batmobile have a clear purpose

"Chris really wanted the chase to have a loose, raw feel, something somewhere between a modern-day action-chase sequence with all the technology that we use today and something with the raw, gritty feeling of The French Connection," says director of photography Wally Pfister

It was important to Nolan that every piece of Batman's arsenal have a clear and practical purpose. In the film, Bruce Wayne takes a gritty, do-it-yourself approach to developing his tools.

The director also wanted the combat to be more jarring and realistic than graceful "We wanted the fighting to be as realistic as possible."

Nolan's thorough, meticulous approach ensured a consistency of his vision for the film, in which realism underscores every aspect of the ambitious production, from design to stunts to special effects.

Filming at Cardington gave the film a level of realism.

Director Christopher Nolan and fight arranger David Forman (The Last Samurai) were looking to find a style that marries the gritty intensity of street fighting with a disciplined martial arts approach.


A few excerpts of the production notes from the official Batman Begins website.

 

[LexCorp]

In casting Batman Begins, as with all other aspects of the production, director Christopher Nolan strived to create an epic feel that underscores the film's realism.

Following Nolan's mantra of realism, it was important that every aspect of the Batmobile have a clear purpose

"Chris really wanted the chase to have a loose, raw feel, something somewhere between a modern-day action-chase sequence with all the technology that we use today and something with the raw, gritty feeling of The French Connection," says director of photography Wally Pfister

It was important to Nolan that every piece of Batman's arsenal have a clear and practical purpose. In the film, Bruce Wayne takes a gritty, do-it-yourself approach to developing his tools.

The director also wanted the combat to be more jarring and realistic than graceful "We wanted the fighting to be as realistic as possible."

Nolan's thorough, meticulous approach ensured a consistency of his vision for the film, in which realism underscores every aspect of the ambitious production, from design to stunts to special effects.

Filming at Cardington gave the film a level of realism.

Director Christopher Nolan and fight arranger David Forman (The Last Samurai) were looking to find a style that marries the gritty intensity of street fighting with a disciplined martial arts approach.


A few excerpts of the production notes from the official Batman Begins website.

Cool

I agree with it. The Realism in this movie beats any other Batman version I have seen.