Comics The Return of Brock

[Sarcastic Fan]

You know what they should do? At long last? The original plan for Venom.

[SIZE=+1]But as we know now (as per the interview with Michelinie in Comics Creators), it turns out that there were reasons why Brock was not as effective a choice for the host of the symbiote - he wasn't the one Michelinie's had in mind! This story has pretty well made the rounds of fandom, but Venom was originally supposed to be a pregnant woman whose husband was killed in an automobile accident because the driver was distracted by Spider-Man. To add to the misery, the husband was flattened right in front of her. The shock forced her into labor, and she lost her baby, and her mind, in the process. The symbiote would find her in her grief and bond with her and the two would seek revenge against Spider-Man. While a misguided motivation, at least it wasn't because her misery was caused by her own actions as Brock's was. She was a true victim and hadn't done anything wrong except being in the wrong place at the wrong time. And since Spider-Man has historically had very few female villains of any lasting merit, this could have been a definite change from the ordinary. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]But Spider-Editor Jim Salicrup did not believe that the audience would accept a woman as a viable physical threat to Spider-Man, even one enhanced by an alien symbiote. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]WTF? [/SIZE]

http://www.spideykicksbutt.com/DarkSideoftheSpider/DarkSideoftheSpider.html

 

[Dangerous]

Kill off Brock once and for all, he's on death's door as it is with cancer. How could he ever get back into good enough health again to the super villain thing. ..

Fact is, though loved by the fanboys, Venom-Brock was always intended to be a short term villain. The character has no depth and was designed this way intentionally. The original plan for Venom was for 'the other' to change hosts every few months/years to keep Venom interesting because each new host would have different motivations/personalities. Gargan being Venom is like finally getting the character back on track for what Michelinie intended.

Anyway, I have said all this loads before. What pisses me off is the Brock fanboys. Why exactly should Brock be Venom again? So he can drool and jump around saying he is going to eat some brains and then not ever do it,- LAME. We have already seen that and it is not cool anymore.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Kill off Brock once and for all, he's on death's door as it is with cancer. How could he ever get back into good enough health again to the super villain thing. ..

Fact is, though loved by the fanboys, Venom-Brock was always intended to be a short term villain. The character has no depth and was designed this way intentionally. The original plan for Venom was for 'the other' to change hosts every few months/years to keep Venom interesting because each new host would have different motivations/personalities. Gargan being Venom is like finally getting the character back on track for what Michelinie intended.

Anyway, I have said all this loads before. What pisses me off is the Brock fanboys. Why exactly should Brock be Venom again? So he can drool and jump around saying he is going to eat some brains and then not ever do it,- LAME. We have already seen that and it is not cool anymore.

Lots of people recover from cancer, man.

My dad was diagnosed with cancer and given six months to live back in 1994, and he's still alive and kicking ass today...

 

[Dangerous]

^Glad to hear it, but Eddie looked pretty bad in the last storyline.

 

[Green Goblin 1964]

Lots of people recover from cancer, man.

My dad was diagnosed with cancer and given six months to live back in 1994, and he's still alive and kicking ass today...

ROCKY! ROCKY! ROCKY!

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^Glad to hear it, but Eddie looked pretty bad in the last storyline.

True, but he still can become Venom.

 

[E.Brock]

Kill off Brock once and for all, he's on death's door as it is with cancer. How could he ever get back into good enough health again to the super villain thing. ..

Fact is, though loved by the fanboys, Venom-Brock was always intended to be a short term villain. The character has no depth and was designed this way intentionally. The original plan for Venom was for 'the other' to change hosts every few months/years to keep Venom interesting because each new host would have different motivations/personalities. Gargan being Venom is like finally getting the character back on track for what Michelinie intended.

Anyway, I have said all this loads before. What pisses me off is the Brock fanboys. Why exactly should Brock be Venom again? So he can drool and jump around saying he is going to eat some brains and then not ever do it,- LAME. We have already seen that and it is not cool anymore.

I would love to argue with you and voice some solid points about how your wrong but this isnt the place for that. Go somewhere else to bash the character. I made it clear earlier in the thread...

"... I dont want to delve deeper into this subject because then it will turn into another venom bashers vs. venom lovers thread that so many have before. Love Brock or hate him...he is inevitably getting the suit back and I would like to know how you guys think it will happen"


this thread is about a specific topic

 

[Dangerous]

I would love to argue with you and voice some solid points about how your wrong but this isnt the place for that.

PM me then, I'm wrong about nothing.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

ROCKY! ROCKY! ROCKY!

Lol, my old man is one tough S.O.B.,...

 

[Arcturus]

You know what they should do? At long last? The original plan for Venom.




http://www.spideykicksbutt.com/DarkSideoftheSpider/DarkSideoftheSpider.html

I agree with this, Sarcastic Fan. In fact, I don't see why they don't use this idea today. The alien could separate from Gargan and the writers could utilize this idea. I've always been a fan of this idea, as well.

Oh who am I kidding, this wont happen.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I agree with this, Sarcastic Fan. In fact, I don't see why they don't use this idea today. The alien could separate from Gargan and the writers could utilize this idea. I've always been a fan of this idea, as well.

Oh who am I kidding, this wont happen.

I see it happening in a "What If?" story.

 

[spider greg]

You know what they should do? At long last? The original plan for Venom.

That would be awesome.

 

[Arcturus]

So I haven't actually been keeping up with 616 since I dropped it awhile ago. I understand that Mac Gargan formerly the Scorpion is the new Venom. I've seen pictures of this new Venom.

I'm not asking who is the superior Venom, what I want to know is how is the new Venom? What are his goals? Does he have any abilities that Eddie Brock didn't have?

 

[WolfCypher]

Anyway, I have said all this loads before. What pisses me off is the Brock fanboys. Why exactly should Brock be Venom again? So he can drool and jump around saying he is going to eat some brains and then not ever do it,- LAME. We have already seen that and it is not cool anymore.

Venom's days of jumping around and drooling were the creation of stupid writers. You see, if a compentant writer came along and retooled Venom, Brock-Venom could be exactly what you say any Venom (or supervillain) should be. I highly doubt if Brock-Venom were brought back that Marvel (and I'm giving them way more credit than they deserve) would go right back to making Venom a anti-heroic moron like he was in the mid 1990s. And everything being done with Gargan as Venom (which isn't much...every story involving Gargan-Venom outside the TBolts, as rare as those are, were just as terrible as all the Venom limited series) could have been told with Brock still as Venom. I'm afraid that if Gargan leaves the Thunderbolts, he'll be a victim of horrible writing, since only in the Thunderbolts, he's interesting.

And don't think Michelinie didn't have a helping hand in Venom's departure from villain to inconsistant Lethal Protector. He may have said that it was all Marvel's decision to have Venom be a good guy, but as early as the very 1st Venom tell Michelinie had planted seeds that would grow into Venom being an on-againg-off-again villain/hero with no consistancy. Its just that Marvel took things too far.

 

[Venom 1988]

I'm not asking who is the superior Venom, what I want to know is how is the new Venom? What are his goals? Does he have any abilities that Eddie Brock didn't have?

Goals? I'd have to say becoming a well known "A" List villain and being taken as a serious threat. At times he gets out of control and goes on "mini rampages". He bit off Steel Spider's arm

Gargan is now at the point where hes afraid the symbiote will take total control of him but he cant even begin to think what it would be like without it.

For who he is, I like Gargan Venom, but not in the same way I like Brock Venom.

 

[WolfCypher]

I like that conflict Gargan has...he wants the power, but he's afraid of the symbiote...but he can't give up being Venom...but he can't give into it, either...oh, the struggle.

I'm afraid if he leaves the Thunderbolts, this dimension of New Venom, this only interesting dimension of New Venom, will be forgotten by what ever title he reappears in.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Mac Gargan Venom really isn't all that interesting to me. He just doesn't have what made Eddie Brock/Venom so interesting.

 

[Dangerous]

He may have said that it was all Marvel's decision to have Venom be a good guy, but as early as the very 1st Venom tell Michelinie had planted seeds that would grow into Venom being an on-againg-off-again villain/hero with no consistancy. Its just that Marvel took things too far.

Well, in his first appearances we get to learn that he has his own set of morals and that he is all about protecting the 'innocent' as much as he is killing Spider-Man. I don't think that indicates the future direction the character would take, it was just part of what made him pretty twisted- having a warped sense of right and wrong.

When the character became wildly popular Marvel told Michelinie that he had to stick with Brock. Since Venom is pretty much invulnerable and Spider-Man's superior in every way, they could not have Spidey and Venom repeat the same battles with Spidey beating him every time. He would not seem so badass then would he? So a new direction was created in the LP book and IMO Venom sucked from then on.

I only think Venom worked when he was the guy who was going to eat brains. The recent storyline in Sensational #38-39 was pretty solid I thought. If we're going to see Brock again I'd prefer if it was him alone without the other. How he recovers and what he does next, perhaps taking on a new supervillain id.

 

[Mario_Galaxy]

You know what they should do? At long last? The original plan for Venom.




http://www.spideykicksbutt.com/DarkSideoftheSpider/DarkSideoftheSpider.html

This... would have been awesome. I'd love to see what the design would've been like (probably She-Venom)

 

[wolvie2020]

hence the not credible part...
But How about something crazy... TWO VENOMS!!!
Eddie finds out that he's got a piece of the symbiote within him... (the Venom in his head from Back in Black) The piece starts to grow until it is able to create a suit for Eddie... Now we've got a Classic Venom vs Scorpnom battle royale... Winner will try to eat some guy's brains for no reason... (talking about Parker here...)

We all already had that in the Venom ongoing. Wasn't nearly as good as it started off, but wasstill pretty sweet

 

[wolvie2020]

Goals? I'd have to say becoming a well known "A" List villain and being taken as a serious threat. At times he gets out of control and goes on "mini rampages". He bit off Steel Spider's arm

Gargan is now at the point where hes afraid the symbiote will take total control of him but he cant even begin to think what it would be like without it.

For who he is, I like Gargan Venom, but not in the same way I like Brock Venom.

That's why I like him! He's different! And unlike Eddie at 1st, it's not a easy fit...

I really don't want it to go back to Eddie. Not yet anyway. Eddie just got a bit stale, and the various writers who picked him up kept on trying to re-interpret him without paying enough attention to the former continuity, which just muddled up a lot of aspects of his history...

I just hope that they carry on with the original idea that Micheline had, and that McFarlane was originally down with. The idea that it would move from host to host, causing havoc. Then the times it does get back with Eddie would be some major stuff

 

[USMC]

We have already seen that and it is not cool anymore.

We've already seen... pretty much everything that's happening in BND.

 

[dbzking]

I really just want to see the scorpian return t:

 

[wolvie2020]

I really just want to see the scorpian return t:

As much as I love Gargan as Venom, I do really digthe Scorpian too

 

[littleredhat]

Stand back because while everyone else is blameing the writers I'm gonna go for the No Prize!


Symbiote costumes are emotionless beings that at first fed off other emotionless beings. When they bond to an emotion possesing being they gain the emotions of that being. That is why when one bonded to a serial killer it became a monster but when one bonded to a good cop it became heroic.

When one is bonded to an emotionally unbalanced person they suffer from an emotionally unbalanced diet. The malnutrion causes them crave brains and grow the infamous teeth,claws,and tounges in order to procure said pink squishy meals.

Brock's personality is bad enough but when he absorbed the Carnage symbiote he poisoned himself with Cletus Cassidy's personality.

Then Venom went to a shallow crime lord and then an equally shallow Mac Gargan. With nothing but these hockey pucks to suck on and long deprived of even Brock's twisted morals is it any wonder that the alien has degraded from the lonely gentle creature that saved Peter from the church bells so long ago?


It is not the suit that supplied the Venom. Everything it is came from the hearts of it's hosts.

In this way the poor thing really is a true innocent.


But this just means that there is hope.*


*As seen in Spider-Girl#100



p.s and if you don't believe Venom can be cute just check this out.http://lolilovesvenom.com/