The Run Time Length Thread

[Michael Frost]

Have you actually seen it to be saying that? Jeez..

 

[danoyse]

As of now, way under two hours.

I can't believe that's what she actually said. Way to hype up a movie.

Ugh, this is totally disappointing.

 

[Peter McCabe]

I like those movies. Maybe it's possible. That's good news but those are only 4 movies.

But none of those movies go into great detail of the characters background. And the character isn't a 150+ years old and the fanbase doesn't know who those characters are before the movie like they do with Wolverine. We know his background, his life to a certain extent.

this is my biggest worry for the movie, because they've teased me with SO MUCH of wolverine's origin and with this seemingly short running time I doubt they'll cover it properly.

I wanted at least the first act (1 hour) of the film to concentrate entirely on ORIGIN, the wars and the brotherhood between Logan and Creed.

but like I've been saying, if Jackman wanted MAD MAX then he probably intended for the origins of wolverine to be brief glimpses in the film - reminiscent of Rambo's in First Blood.

flashbacks is my guess.

will this make the film a lesser product? Possibly.

can the film still be great? Yes it can.

 

[chaseter]

Have you actually seen it to be saying that? Jeez..

This has occurred before, many times, and guess what happened

 

[Ziggyman]

Damn...I would love a 2:15 movie...Iron Man at 2hrs felt too short...

Has to be longer!

 

[Downhere]

I'm not worried about the running time and neither should anyone else unless they've seen the movie.

-TNC

This very same thing was said by some when X-Men 3 came out...hmm.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Fantastic, Another butchered Fox movie. Just like the first X-Men. And Daredevil, And both Fantastic Four movies, And X-Men 3. You know what, I REFUSE to award bad behavior by giving them my money. If I REALLY want to see this, I'll pay for another movie, and then sneak into this one. But no way am I giving Fox my money when they clearly dont give a **** about quality of the film, and just throw whatever crap they can on screen so they can make a cheap buck. Well here's one buck they arent going to get.

alright, this post is just....

I had a good laugh reading the line "Another butchered Fox movie...Just like the first X-Men."

 

[chaseter]

Fox had a horrible year in 2008 and lost quite a bit of money. Rumors around the net say that this year, particularly with their summer tentpole film Wolverine, will be Rothman's last chance to prove himself or he will be fired/asked to resign.

I am now seriously thinking about skipping this film and waiting for the dvd release to make Fox lose money and finally get Rothman out of office because I am tired of this

 

[Figs]

Fair enough.

what I'm saying is that perhaps this was never meant to be well over 2 hours.

Jackman and Hood don't have a history with long films like TDK, so this isnt an apocalyptic sign for me.

there's a strong chance these guys wanted a 90 minute movie

I wanted a 3 hour movie

If that is true that they wanted a 90 minute film from the start...then they failed before they even truly started.

Although it is much worse to edit a movie down to 90 minutes than it is to plan one from the script stage to only be 90 minutes I still think it is too short.

So even if the original intent was for an hour and a half film, I think to do his background justice(and with so many other characters involved, some who technically shouldnt be...gambit, blob etc.)it should be alot longer...even if only 30 minutes longer.

Two hours I would have accepted, 90 minutes just screams of typical Fox(Fox from the last 9-10 years at least) as well as X-3.

Maybe they will prove us "whiners" wrong in the end with Wolverine, but I don't care to get my hopes up for a company/guy(Rothman) who are constantly known for editing and toying with films.

Fox had a horrible year in 2008 and lost quite a bit of money. Rumors around the net say that this year, particularly with their summer tentpole film Wolverine, will be Rothman's last chance to prove himself or he will be fired/asked to resign.



I am now seriously thinking about skipping this film and waiting for the dvd release to make Fox lose money and finally get Rothman out of office because I am tired of this

If that is accurate and true, I might do the same. I still want to see this film, but just don't feel like giving more money to them. I'll wait 'til release to see what the majority of fans have to say about it.

 

[Peter McCabe]

If that is accurate and true, I might do the same. I still want to see this film, but just don't feel like giving more money to them. I'll wait 'til release to see what the majority of fans have to say about it.

I wouldn't be able to skip this movie.

I simply CANNOT miss the premiere of a movie with a frame like this:

I just can't say no to Liev. Can't do it.

 

[FaT_tONle]

will this make the film a lesser product? Possibly.

can the film still be great? Yes it can.

Funny how you sound just like me three years ago.

And this isn't directed at you, but no one is being a high horse here. No one is acting out of line with their frustrations. But it doesn't make you any less of a fan not to support an adaptation of one of your favorite characters. Wolverine was number two on my list behind Batman. Always will be. But I have my source material and my cartoons to fall back on. I won't think anything less of the character... and not supporting this film doesn't make me less of a Wolverine fan.

Fox had a horrible year in 2008 and lost quite a bit of money. Rumors around the net say that this year, particularly with their summer tentpole film Wolverine, will be Rothman's last chance to prove himself or he will be fired/asked to resign.



I am now seriously thinking about skipping this film and waiting for the dvd release to make Fox lose money and finally get Rothman out of office because I am tired of this

Guaranteed it won't happen because the Watchmen percentage will keep them afloat another year... just wait and see.

 

[danoyse]

I won't think anything less of the character... and not supporting this film doesn't make me less of a Wolverine fan.

It's still in your sig, you know.

I don't have a problem with anyone who decides to skip it, especially after getting burned by X3. I'm definitely going to see it, although my expectations are in the basement after that interview.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Funny how you sound just like me three years ago.

you cant go by that, too many variables.

Gavin Hood is not Brett Ratner.

Hugh Jackman is head honcho in the production of Wolverine, not just the lead actor (X3).

David Benioff is a GOD next to Zak Penn and Simon Kinberg.

Wolverine on his own CAN justify a 90 minute movie (Mad Max, The Road Warrior, First Blood, etc...)

The removal of certain cameos may be further evidence of Jackman and Hood's plan to keep this movie about Wolverine and not other mutants.

*the removal of those cameos may also be indication that FOX is dropping the proposed X-Men: First Class movie.

 

[chaseter]

you cant go by that, too many variables.

Gavin Hood is not Brett Ratner.

Hugh Jackman is head honcho in the production of Wolverine, not just the lead actor (X3).

David Benioff is a GOD next to Zak Penn and Simon Kinberg.

Wolverine on his own CAN justify a 90 minute movie (Mad Max, The Road Warrior, First Blood, etc...)

The removal of certain cameos may be further evidence of Jackman and Hood's plan to keep this movie about Wolverine and not other mutants.

*the removal of those cameos may also be indication that FOX is dropping the proposed X-Men: First Class movie.

All of those variable are nullified by Tom Rothman.

 

[Peter McCabe]

All of those variable are nullified by Tom Rothman.

that doesnt make any sense.

 

[chaseter]

that doesnt make any sense.

Neither does making an origin film "way under two hours."

 

[FaT_tONle]

It's still in your sig, you know.

I don't have a problem with anyone who decides to skip it, especially after getting burned by X3. I'm definitely going to see it, although my expectations are in the basement after that interview.

Yeah you're right... I love Marvel... will support their top characters till the end... I won't remove it until the summer or end of the summer. I am running out of sig ideas... had my whole list of Spidey villains for the new trilogy... disgusted by SM3 I realized they'll never even get that far... and even if they do get that far I will probably stop caring by then. My only hope is Marvel Studios. I was dissapointed with the new Hulk... but man I'll take TIH over X-3 any day of the week. That's why I am so weary of everything Marvel Studios is doing these days. One screw up and they will be finished. As far as Fox... that ship has sunk along time ago.

*the removal of those cameos may also be indication that FOX is dropping the proposed X-Men: First Class movie.

Where did you hear that? Or just your own speculation... because from what I heard it has writers attached and they seem to be moving forward with it.

 

[xmenfilesfan05]

I'm going to remain cautiously optimistic about the runtime. However, I was defending another film's runtime back in 2006 (can you guess which one? Yup, X3), and I was severely disappointed. If there is one thing I've learned from that particular event, it is that the rule of thumb is quality. Quality is key, even over runtime. For example, the quality of said film "mentioned" above, was pure garbage (IMO) and whether it was the original runtime or extended with the cut scenes, quality wouldn't have improved because you're just adding crap to crap.

I haven't seen any of Gavin Hood's work before, so I will continue to remain cautiously opimistic in hopes that the quality of the film will be high so the only problem I would have with the runtime is that it had to end so soon.

 

[danoyse]

I don't think anyone has the right to pass a final judgment on any movie they haven't seen yet.

 

[Downhere]

All of those variable are nullified by Tom Rothman.

Exactly.


A good example is Kingdom of Heaven. Ridley Scott directed it and that film ended up being a totally different movie from the much better director's cut.

 

[terry78]

I don't think anyone has the right to pass a final judgment on any movie they haven't seen yet.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Neither does making an origin film "way under two hours."

you're clearly not reading my posts

you ever seen MAD MAX?

First Blood?

Dirty Harry?

*I agree that this film with ALL the Wolverine mythos it contains would simply feel better were it to be 2 1/2 - 3 hours, but we cannot discard the possibility of it being intended to be 90 - 100 minutes for the sake of the style it was shot in.

 

[chaseter]

I hope someone at Fox reads this thread and ****s their pants and does something about it....ie making the movie longer or killing Tom Rothman.

 

[danoyse]

I'm going to remain cautiously optimistic about the runtime. However, I was defending another film's runtime back in 2006 (can you guess which one? Yup, X3), and I was severely disappointed. If there is one thing I've learned from that particular event, it is that the rule of thumb is quality. Quality is key, even over runtime. For example, the quality of said film "mentioned" above, was pure garbage (IMO) and whether it was the original runtime or extended with the cut scenes, quality wouldn't have improved because you're just adding crap to crap.

I haven't seen any of Gavin Hood's work before, so I will continue to remain cautiously opimistic in hopes that the quality of the film will be high so the only problem I would have with the runtime is that it had to end so soon.

I agree. My expectations were so low for X3 after reading all the behind-the-scenes drama that I didn't hate it like a lot of the fans did. It was just...disappointing.

But I was watching X1 on HBO last night, which was barely 1:45, and that was a really good movie. You can make a good movie if you use the time well. Hopefully that will be the case here.

 

[chaseter]

you're clearly not reading my posts

you ever seen MAD MAX?

First Blood?

Dirty Harry?

*I agree that this film with ALL the Wolverine mythos it contains would simply feel better were it to be 2 1/2 - 3 hours, but we cannot discard the possibility of it being intended to be 90 - 100 minutes for the sake of the style it was shot in.

I would agree with you if this wasn't coming from a studio that purposely cuts their movies and they tend to decline in quality. If this was from WB or Sony then I wouldn't be so pessimistic about it but this is Fox.

You have no idea how excited I was to see my run time thread bumped. I was thinking we got some news on the run time and I was so excited and then this