The Run Time Length Thread

[chaseter]

You just compared it to Mad Max So saying that Mad Max was a good 90 minute movie means that this movie could be good when really...who cares???

 

[Ace of Knaves]

You just compared it to Mad Max So saying that Mad Max was a good 90 minute movie means that this movie could be good when really...who cares???

I didn't compare it. I just pointed out that there are some good 90 minute films out there, Mad Max being an example.

But I think bringing things like "Top 20 box office hits" into the argument is premature and silly to be honest. Who cares if it is or it isn't? I know I don't.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Yea Taken and Mad Max are examples of great 90 minute movies. Actually, I think I might have a Mad Max session tonight. Thanks for reminding me of his awesomness McCabe

When I see Jackman in this movie, I see The Road Warrior

I know at heart, Hugh's playing Mad Max.

 

[icelemt38]

Hugh himself has made that comparison before.

 

[protocida]

Actually, Hugh's playing Mad Max, Dirty Harry AND Han Solo.

With claws.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Mad Max, one of the greatest characters ever IMO.

 

[WeaponXProject]

Actually, Hugh's playing Mad Max, Dirty Harry AND Han Solo.

With claws.

Hopefully, its less of Han and more of the other two.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I won't be happy with anything less that 1hr 45. But saying that, if it is less, I won't write it off completely. As I've said before, they ain't exploring all of Logan's history. This is mainly about his Weapon X days. I would imagine if this is successful they will make a couple more, probably about Japan and Alpha Flight or something. Then we could look at all 3 films as one 6 hour long epic.

Yeah sort of like the X-Men trilogy... as a whole . How about giving me films that stand alone by themselves and making them epic in their own right like LOTR? Instead we got a hapass continuation of X-Men with TLS. Besides, I doubt we are getting two more Wolverine films.

 

[chaseter]

I didn't compare it. I just pointed out that there are some good 90 minute films out there, Mad Max being an example.

But I think bringing things like "Top 20 box office hits" into the argument is premature and silly to be honest. Who cares if it is or it isn't? I know I don't.

And I just pointed out that you can only point out 1 movie while I can point out dozens

Sorry to care that I want this movie to be great and be a box office success and critically acclaimed. Sorry to be cautious about a movie instead of blindly following everything they give us, not saying you do. The run time is the last key in that deciding factor. If it is short, it will probably suck. If it is average, it will probably be good to average. If it is long, then it has potential to be epic.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

for some reason this movie seems like a good 2 and a half hour film, but im sure fox will only let us see an hour and a half

 

[Downhere]

Yeah sort of like the X-Men trilogy... as a whole . How about giving me films that stand alone by themselves and making them epic in their own right like LOTR? Instead we got a hapass continuation of X-Men with TLS. Besides, I doubt we are getting two more Wolverine films.

Considering the X-Men Franchise has been Fox's biggest property as of late, I would say we will most likely see another Wolverine film. Even if the movie sucks it will most likely pull in over 300-400 million worldwide and is usually a sure bet to do so.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Yeah sort of like the X-Men trilogy... as a whole . How about giving me films that stand alone by themselves and making them epic in their own right like LOTR? Instead we got a hapass continuation of X-Men with TLS. Besides, I doubt we are getting two more Wolverine films.

The LOTR films are not stand alone films...

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The LOTR films are not stand alone films...

I think he meant they stand on their own without you having to see the other movies to get the full story. Also, all of them were very epic in their own right, not just as a trilogy.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I've read a few interviews with him quite some time ago(I think it was when Stardust came out)where he said he clearly saw what a pile of **** and how big of a pooch screw X-3 was going to be and said that was the reason he dropped out.

All in all he was mentioning what a lot of us already heard...that the script was being worked on/finished during the **** ing filming.

Temper tantrum my ass. That was a director that did the smart thing and talked a bit of **** on Fox's part, which is usually justified.

Bull **** at your so called "Real movie making".

You know what it's all really about...professionalism. You can back up Fox or X-3 all you want but facts are facts.

A movie that the studio pushes to start filming before the script is even done just to meet a deadline instead of rescheduling is very unprofessional.

It does not mean Vaughn is too soft to make films let alone a horrible director.

What you call taking risks(in this situation) is really called being a fall guy or even a 'yes man'.

It has nothing to do with a director's talent when it comes down to leaving a film that is going to be(and pretty much was)half assed due to the studio.

These posts sum up my feelings perfectly, I dont blame Vaughn in the slightest for leaving as he knew it was going to be a ****-pile and it was. Yes man Ratner just want his name on a CB movie.

Yea but Chase, why does Wolverine have to be compared to all that? Can't you just watch it as a film and not compare it to others? Well, at least wait until AFTER you have seen it.

Obviously we would all prefer a 2 hour film. But why say "How many 90 minute films are in the top 20 box office successes of all time?" Who cares?

He is asking because majority of movies that 90 mins, especially by Fox, are extremely poor. Its a valid concern.

 

[THE MR. TERRIFIC]

2 hours should be enough time. No more...no less.

 

[protocida]

I think X2's running time would be fit for this.

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

It said in the tv spot they've been through 4 wars, along with all the major characters, and the origin itself, it needs to be atleast two hours, otherwise it won't be epic

 

[Peter McCabe]

It said in the tv spot they've been through 4 wars, along with all the major characters, and the origin itself, it needs to be atleast two hours, otherwise it won't be epic

The wars are a minimal part of the overall film's plot.

I'm guessing only about 30 minutes will go into the stuff prior to Weapon X.

The real film begins when Logan goes home and starts a life with Kayla.

*A movie under 2 hours can be epic:

A Fistful of Dollars (1964) 99 minutes

Dirty Harry (1971) 102 minutes

The French Connection (1971) 104 minutes

Death Wish (1974) 93 minutes

MAD MAX (1979) 94 minutes

The Road Warrior (1981) 93 minutes

Escape from New York (1981) 99 minutes

First Blood (1982) 94 minutes

ROBOCOP (1987) 102 minutes

Reservoir Dogs (1991) 99 minutes

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I think he meant they stand on their own without you having to see the other movies to get the full story. Also, all of them were very epic in their own right, not just as a trilogy.

You absolutely have to see the other LOTR movies to get the full story.

If you knew nothing about LOTR, and just popped in The Two Towers without having seen Fellowship of the Ring before it, and didn't watch Return of the King after it, you would have absolutely no clue wtf was going on.

The X-Men movies are the same way, to a lesser degree, as they all tell their own individual stories, that together tell a larger story.

It's a much better form of storytelling.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Lets see what we have:

Kid Logan.

Logan and Creed in the wars.

Logan and Creed in Team X.

Logan retiring with Silverfox until Logan vs Sabretooth round 1.

Logan getting adamantium and escaping.

Logan in New Orleans.

Logan in Three Mile Island.

I don't think comparing this to most films that are 2 hours would be right, because this plot is more loaded then most of those films. I don't see how they can pull it off under 2 hours without rushing some of these events.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Lets see what we have:

Kid Logan.

Logan and Creed in the wars.

Logan and Creed in Team X.

30 minutes.

Logan retiring with Silverfox until Logan vs Sabretooth round 1.

Logan getting adamantium and escaping.

30 minutes.

Logan in New Orleans.

Logan in Three Mile Island.

40 minutes.

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

The wars are a minimal part of the overall film's plot.

I'm guessing only about 30 minutes will go into the stuff prior to Weapon X.

The real film begins when Logan goes home and starts a life with Kayla.

*A movie under 2 hours can be epic:

A Fistful of Dollars (1964) 99 minutes

Dirty Harry (1971) 102 minutes

The French Connection (1971) 104 minutes

Death Wish (1974) 93 minutes

MAD MAX (1979) 94 minutes

The Road Warrior (1981) 93 minutes

Escape from New York (1981) 99 minutes

First Blood (1982) 94 minutes

ROBOCOP (1987) 102 minutes

Reservoir Dogs (1991) 99 minutes

good point, but i'd like to point out, to make a great superhero movie, it needs to be at least 2 hours, otherwise the story feels rushed imo.

under two hours:
fantastic four
rise of the silver surfer
xmen the last stand(i enjoyed it, although many despise it)

Two hours or over
Spiderman 2
X-2
Iron Man

all i'm saying is that it'd be awesome if wolverine was at least 2 hours

 

[Deaths Head II]

I can imagine 30 minutes for baby logan and the wars, but Team X? They have to show off Deadpool a bit before they surprise us with his return and they have to show them working together as well as build up to why Logan leaves the team. I would say Team X alone would add 10 minutes to that estimate.

30 minutes for Logan to get warned about Sabretooth, Silverfox to die, Logan versus Sabretooth, Stryker making the offer, the process itself, Logan's escape, Logan meeting with the Hudsons, and then Logan versus the helicoptor. There would have to be some rushing there.

Same thing with New Orleans and Three Mile Island. Logan meeting his old comrades Wraith and Blob and the insanity that will be the New Orleans battle. Logan then arriving on Three Mile Island, Logan being caught, Silver Fox being revealed, Silver Fox betraying Stryker, Wolverine busting everyone out, Wolverine battling Sabretooth, Wolverine and Sabretooth versus Deadpool, and then the entire finale with Logan's memory wipe. That would be some major rushing in 40 minutes.

As I said, I really think this plot is too loaded to be under 2 hours.

 

[chaseter]

30 minutes.



30 minutes.



40 minutes.

I like how you just pull numbers and statistics out of thin air

The wars are a minimal part of the overall film's plot.

I'm guessing only about 30 minutes will go into the stuff prior to Weapon X.

The real film begins when Logan goes home and starts a life with Kayla.

*A movie under 2 hours can be epic:

A Fistful of Dollars (1964) 99 minutes

Dirty Harry (1971) 102 minutes

The French Connection (1971) 104 minutes

Death Wish (1974) 93 minutes

MAD MAX (1979) 94 minutes

The Road Warrior (1981) 93 minutes

Escape from New York (1981) 99 minutes

First Blood (1982) 94 minutes

ROBOCOP (1987) 102 minutes

Reservoir Dogs (1991) 99 minutes

Do you really want me to post all the good/great movies that were near or 2+ hours long in here??? No one says for 100% certainty that this movie will not be epic. I said that there are more chances that it won't be if it is 90 something minutes and you just proved that by posting a handful of short movies that were good.

 

[Peter McCabe]

good point, but i'd like to point out, to make a great superhero movie, it needs to be at least 2 hours, otherwise the story feels rushed imo.

see that's the thing, at heart this isn't a superhero movie.

Its an anti-hero movie.

anti-hero movies (like the 10 I mentioned earlier) are about a man on a mission that usually leads to his death or the death of someone else.

For some reason that mission doesn't usually need more than 90 minutes to cover.

*I've said many times that given Wolverine's 150 years of war, the film shoulda gone 50/50 and given the origin/wars/all other endeavours prior to Weapon X at least 90 minutes.

so my ideal running time would be 2 hours, 45 minutes.