The Run Time Length Thread

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This movie looks nothing like Mad Max.

People making excuses for the fact that they know that Fox doesn't like longer comic book super hero movies.
 
Why do people keep touting around Mad Max movies like this is supposed to be a Mad Max movie?

This isn't ****ing Mad Max. Get a better argument.

What was every fan saying after X-men? "We want a longer movie!" They answered that with X-men 2 and it was freaking great.

The most successful comic book super hero movies are generally the ones that are longer. And most of the biggest successes in the history of cinema are LONGER movies.

You can say it's because the few of us need to look at the movie from a broader spectrum but it comes down to wanting action movies that are longer because it adds more depth and character development.

I'm keeping my expectations low so I won't be disappointed like with X-3. Even if it turns out good and is only 90 minutes that's great but expect a number of the supporting cast(who are well known comic characters to us fans)to get short changed like Angel in X-3.

:up: Totally agree with both of you, taking influence from a movie doesnt mean you should copy its run-time, thats ridiculous. If Wolverine is anything less than 115 mins, count me out, as it will be the usual Fox ********.
 
Although I'm a fan of the Mad Max films...Jackman should have based his portayal of an already existing character(Wolverine)...on that character. I understand when actors take a bit of inspiration from past events/characters but all in all Wolverine is not Max. They may have similarities but that's mainly just in the fact that they're both anti-heroes.

Even if he did base Wolverine on Mad Max why does that mean they have to follow suit by going for the same runtime simply because it's an anti-hero film.

Correct me if I'm wrong but that's what your basically stating right? Since Jackman based it on Mad Max they decided to keep the runtime similar as well because it worked for 80's films?

Yes, but all of those films you listed I own and love but realize that most of them were from the 70's & 80's. Times change, film and writing evolve. When it came to action films(not epics but blow stuff up or revenge films) back then it was expected to be short and sweet. Guy gets revenge for murdered/raped/kidnapped family, in short, main character was wronged...payback time.

Wolverine is an anti-hero but he's one that wasn't made up for a script. He has a lot of history(from the comics, which gave him a huge fanbase before any X-men films came out)and the characters they are putting in the film aren't just new characters as if you were to watch Robocop, Death Wish or Mad Max for the first time but existing characters from the comics who have quite a few fans themselves. They shouldn't be shortchanged by runtime.

You can say it's because the few of us need to look at the movie from a broader spectrum but it comes down to wanting action movies that are longer because it adds more depth and character development.

I'm keeping my expectations low so I won't be disappointed like with X-3. Even if it turns out good and is only 90 minutes that's great but expect a number of the supporting cast(who are well known comic characters to us fans)to get short changed like Angel in X-3.

Great post Figs, I can tell you've actually seen the films.

I still think you're denying the concept of this film being a stand-alone anti-hero picture simply out of love and respect for the supporting mutant characters.

"I'm the guy who keeps Mr. Dead in his pocket."

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:up: Totally agree with both of you, taking influence from a movie doesnt mean you should copy its run-time, thats ridiculous. If Wolverine is anything less than 115 mins, count me out, as it will be the usual Fox ********.

Its not about "copying" running times.

the genre that JACKMAN'S Wolverine falls under is comprised of movies that are usually 90 -100 minutes long.

Dirty Harry didn't "copy" A Fistful of Dollars in running time.

MAD MAX didn't "copy" Death Wish in its running time.

These films are simply just able to tell their revenge story in an hour and 40 minutes.
 
Its not about "copying" running times.

the genre that JACKMAN'S Wolverine falls under is comprised of movies that are usually 90 -100 minutes long.

Dirty Harry didn't "copy" A Fistful of Dollars in running time.

MAD MAX didn't "copy" Death Wish in its running time.

These films are simply just able to tell their revenge story in an hour and 40 minutes.

EXACTLY, these films are just revenge stories, so dont need longer run-times, Wolverine is multiple stories spanning over 100 hundred years spanning many different times and characters. Its not a self-contained story like a revenge thriller. I honestly cant believe you are defending Fox.

For us to give a **** about the likes of Silver Fox, etc, we need time with them, so we care when they die, in a 90 min movie, you just CANT do that.
 
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Its not about "copying" running times.

the genre that JACKMAN'S Wolverine falls under is comprised of movies that are usually 90 -100 minutes long.

Dirty Harry didn't "copy" A Fistful of Dollars in running time.

MAD MAX didn't "copy" Death Wish in its running time.

These films are simply just able to tell their revenge story in an hour and 40 minutes.
But those films didn't envolved a mutant Black Ops team, a secret governmental conspiracy and 150 years of immortal rivalry between two bloodthirsty men.
 
This argument has become absolutely insane, and I think its very possible that McCabe is a Fox stooge.
 
EXACTLY, these films are just revenge stories, so dont need longer run-times, Wolverine is multiple stories spanning over 100 hundred years spanning many different times and characters. Its not a self-contained story like a revenge thriller. I honestly cant believe you are defending Fox.

For us to give a **** about the likes of Silver Fox, etc, we need time with them, so we care when they die, in a 90 min movie, you just CANT do that.

the only people you're gonna care about in this movie are the Logan brothers and Stryker.

The only reason you don't think this is "self-contained" is that there are names like Gambit, Deadpool and Maverick amongst the SUPPORTING cast.

If those names were replaced with "The Card Player","Mark Jones", etc, then you'd be saying something else.
 
But those films didn't envolved a mutant Black Ops team, a secret governmental conspiracy and 150 years of immortal rivalry between two bloodthirsty men.

Not to mention the experiments and capturing of mutants on a grand scale. and Silver Fox.
 
Is Peter McCabe Simon Kinberg or one of the script doctors on the movie?
 
the only people you're gonna care about in this movie are the Logan brothers and Stryker.

The only reason you don't think this is "self-contained" is that there are names like Gambit, Deadpool and Maverick amongst the SUPPORTING cast.

If those names were replaced with "The Card Player","Mark Jones", etc, then you'd be saying something else.

No I wouldnt, the reason it isnt self-contained is, regardless of those characters, the movie still has a **** load of plot strands that need to be complete by the end of the movie. Not to mention 150 years of history of TWO characters. Honestly.
 
Well, I see your join date and your posts, and it just seems very fishy to me.

Studios do online and forum smoke screening and plants. The screenwriters of X-men 3 did it personally.

One of the cinematographers on Punisher Warzone educated me on how the God awful lighting in that movie wasn't NEON lighting.

Fox lied to SHH and said X-men 3 was two and a half hours.

So I wouldn't put Fox above any underhanded tactics.
 
Its not about "copying" running times.

the genre that JACKMAN'S Wolverine falls under is comprised of movies that are usually 90 -100 minutes long.

Dirty Harry didn't "copy" A Fistful of Dollars in running time.

MAD MAX didn't "copy" Death Wish in its running time.

These films are simply just able to tell their revenge story in an hour and 40 minutes.

That's the problem though McCabe.

Instead of looking at this project as a Wolverine movie first and foremost. (Meaning, he's a character that's been around for a good number of decades who has a lot of history not to mention a huge fanbase from the comics alone) The film makers(whether it's Hood, Benioff/Wein, Jackman or all Rothman) as well as the number of fans who seem to be happy accepting a really short and seemingly typical Fox film are looking at this film more as a revenge film...like Mad Max and some of the other ones you listed than a Wolverine film, where revenge is only part of it.

Another thing. Like I mentioned in my previous post, the reason those other films were able to tell their stories(and the reason why it worked and was perfectly fine/OK)was because those stories and characters were first created and came to life on the scripts.

I don't recall any of those characters from those 70's/80's films having a number of decades worth of history that the movies were based on. With those characters/films it started with someone who had an idea to have this guy almost die but then be brought back as a cyborg cop. Or have a cop who always got the **** end of the stick and was tougher and more of a badass than the rest of the cops hence the name Dirty Harry.

They were created on scripts to be made into film characters. It was up to the screenplay writer or creator(or even studio for that matter)where they figured they could make a good story for these characters only needing 90-100 minutes.

With Wolverine, yeah you can make a movie based on his history(or a portion of it)only lasting 90-100 minutes...but it really makes you have to shorten things and cut things out to fit that runtime. Not to mention shorten or cut existing characters within his history. But in Fox's case they add characters like Gambit simply because they know the fans have been wanting him.

Much like Emma Frost/White Queen, they won't be done much justice since they're mainly in there as fan bait being in a film that is and should be focusing on the main character(Wolverine) and the few people that are truly important to his story(Creed, Stryker, Silverfox).

People already complained about this for X-3 and I'll say what they essentially said. Some of us would much rather have Gambit replaced with some 'drinking card player' than throw him in to get the fans excited but only having him in one maybe two scenes with little to no character development.
 
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No I wouldnt, the reason it isnt self-contained is, regardless of those characters, the movie still has a **** load of plot strands that need to be complete by the end of the movie. Not to mention 150 years of history of TWO characters. Honestly.

I'll give you the 150 years prior to Weapon X.

I myself wanted that material to be given ALOT more screentime.

thing is, THIS film, the main body of it, is about Logan's revenge after the procedure.

You really don't see how that can wrap up in 100 minutes?

There's really only ONE plot strand.
 
That's the problem though McCabe.

Instead of looking at this project as a Wolverine movie first and foremost. (Meaning, he's a character that's been around for a good number of decades who has a lot of history not to mention a huge fanbase from the comics alone) The film makers(whether it's Hood, Benioff/Wein, Jackman or all Rothman) as well as the number of fans who seem to be happy accepting a really short and seemingly typical Fox film are looking at this film more as a revenge film...like Mad Max and some of the other ones you listed than a Wolverine film, where revenge is only part of it.

Another thing. Like I mentioned in my previous post, the reason those other films were able to tell their stories(and the reason why it worked and was perfectly fine/OK)was because those stories and characters were first created and came to life on the scripts.

I don't recall any of those characters from those 70's/80's films having a number of decades worth of history that the movies were based on. With those characters/films it started with someone who had an idea to have this guy almost die but then be brought back as a cyborg cop. Or have a cop who always got the **** end of the stick and was tougher and more of a badass than the rest of the cops hence the name Dirty Harry.

They were created on scripts to be made into film characters. It was up to the screenplay writer or creator(or even studio for that matter)where they figured they could make a good story for these characters only needing 90-100 minutes.

With Wolverine, yeah you can make a movie based on his history(or a portion of it)only lasting 90-100 minutes...but it really makes you have to shorten things and cut things out to fit that runtime. Not to mention shorten or cut existing characters within his history. But in Fox's case they add characters like Gambit simply because they know the fans have been wanting him.

Much like Emma Frost/White Queen, they won't be done much justice since they're mainly in there as fan bait being in a film that is and should be focusing on the main character(Wolverine) and the few people that are truly important to his story(Creed, Stryker, Silverfox).

:up: E-X-A-C-T-L-Y.
 
Wolverine's revenge might be the central Plot, but it isn't the only one.
 
How do you know then?

At the end of the day, citing running times for Mad Max and Dirty Harry don't mean anything to this movie.

"The plot is too simple."

Because movies with simple plots NEVER have long running times.
 
Have you actually seen the trilogy?

Get ready for a storm of side by side screencap comparisons :oldrazz:

Let's not.

This thread is about the runtime of the film. It's not the place to compare it to Mad Max, so please don't fill up the thread with screencaps.
 
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