The Run Time Length Thread

[protocida]

There we're rumors that Fox edited the movie as 90/100 minutes to make it more Family Friendly, but, after the dark and broading The Dark Knight's sucess, they re-edited the movie to fit Gavin Hood's original vision, longer, darker and edgier.

I don't know if it's truth, but maybe...

 

[Ace of Knaves]

The thing that gives me hope for this not being your typical Fox 90 minute flick is that surely, surely they have learnt their lessons?

They have had their asses kicked by Marvel and Warners recently. Surely they will look at their films and think "So maybe the audiences do like longer, more intelligent comic book block busters?"

I know it is Fox, but I just can't see a mega corporation that is in the business of making money, fail to match or try to beat it's rivals. That's what it is all about. They have to realize that to get back up there they will have to put the same amount of effort in, if not more, than the rivals that have beat them.

If they don't? Well more fool them, because hopefully after TDK, Iron Man and others, the audiences know they should be getting more, and when they don't, let it be known.

 

[Raiden]

The thing that gives me hope for this not being your typical Fox 90 minute flick is that surely, surely they have learnt their lessons?

They have had their asses kicked by Marvel and Warners recently. Surely they will look at their films and think "So maybe the audiences do like longer, more intelligent comic book block busters?"

I know it is Fox, but I just can't see a mega corporation that is in the business of making money, fail to match or try to beat it's rivals. That's what it is all about. They have to realize that to get back up there they will have to put the same amount of effort in, if not more, than the rivals that have beat them.

If they don't? Well more fool them, because hopefully after TDK, Iron Man and others, the audiences know they should be getting more, and when they don't, let it be known.

I think you overestimate Fox and their ability to see the errors of their ways. If they were smart, they won't have promoted Rothman to a higher position, would they?

 

[Figs]

There we're rumors that Fox edited the movie as 90/100 minutes to make it more Family Friendly, but, after the dark and broading The Dark Knight's sucess, they re-edited the movie to fit Gavin Hood's original vision, longer, darker and edgier.

I don't know if it's truth, but maybe...

Where did you hear this?

Just wondering because I don't recall ever hearing this until just now from you.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I think you overestimate Fox and their ability to see the errors of their ways. If they were smart, they won't have promoted Rothman to a higher position, would they?

Fair point. But with Rothman higher up he probably won't be able to get as "hands on" with films as he usually does.

 

[TheVileOne]

Fox hasn't learned any lessons. Look at Dragon Ball.

McCabe, look what I found on IMDB:

For A Few Dollars More: 132 minutes

The Good The Bad And The Ugly: 161 minutes, extended cut 181 minutes

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I wouldn't use Dragonball as an example. It was never a potential tent pole like Wolverine. It was never gonna be a big money maker for Fox, so why put loads of effort into it?

Wolverine could be a massive money maker for them. If they do it well.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

frickin double

 

[TheVileOne]

I wouldn't use Dragonball as an example. It was never a potential tent pole like Wolverine. It was never gonna be a big money maker for Fox, so why put loads of effort into it?

That's hilarious considering all the Dragon Ball marks talking about Dragon Ball being the most searched on yahoo or google and having such a huge worldwide following.

Fox still put over $100 million.

I still feel that the movie never should've been made. Not everything can be a movie.

Dragon Ball is still proof on how they can ruin a generally profitable money-making franchise.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Who cares about search results on google or whatever. Doesn't mean it has any possibility to be a big, blockbusting film.

This film has. I think Fox know that, they must do. No one can be stupid. So if they want to **** up a possible huge money maker, that's their problem.

 

[dark_b]

FOX hasnt learned. and yes DB is a good example. its a big budget FOX movie.

may payne was short and edited like people were high.
they realesed a PG13 version of taken
AB babylon. the movie is edited and cut down that its already pathetic.

i mean should i go on?

 

[dark_b]

edit

 

[FaT_tONle]

DB can not be big budget as bad as those graphics look. 100 million??? No way...

 

[TheVileOne]

Its directed by James Wong.

And they had to spend a lot to put it into production during the writer's strike.

 

[Peter McCabe]

McCabe, look what I found on IMDB:

For A Few Dollars More: 132 minutes

The Good The Bad And The Ugly: 161 minutes, extended cut 181 minutes

I never denied there were great revenger westerns/crime dramas that are over 100 minutes. I even threw Chaseter a bone with The Outlaw Josey Wales.

You also got:

Nevada Smith (1966)

Once Upon a Time in The West (1968)

The Getaway (1972)

High Plains Drifter (1972)

Serpico (1973)

Charlie Varrick (1973)

Magnum Force (1973)

Bring Me The Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)

The Gauntlet (1977)

Tightrope (1984)

there's a ton of great antihero movies over a hundred minutes, but the most memorable ones are usually 90 -100 minutes long.

My personal favorite is 100 minutes long, and the alternate version of it (director's cut) is 90:

synopsis: Porter has been a professional robber since his teens. His first big hit landed him in front of a judge who gave him the choice of 20 years behind bars or a tour of duty in WWII. Porter became a Marine and was thrown into combat until the end of the war. Once back home, Porter pulls his second great score - unfortunately it lands him in jail for over a decade. Once out, Porter sharpens his skills and prominently pulls jobs for many years in the city of Chicago - that is until he agrees to rob the Chinese mob with his buddy Val. After a heist for $140 Grand, Val and Porter's wife Lynn betray Porter and leave him for dead. 5 months later Porter's back and he wants blood...

100 Minutes.

 

[TheVileOne]

Payback, are you kidding me? Good God.

Also a lot of these movies you are listing honestly have no relevance to a comic book super hero movie like Wolverine. Sure I'm sure there are certain influences or inspiration, but that doesn't mean a story that spans as much as Wolverine and supposedly wants to introduce new characters for new spinoffs and movies should NOT be short-changed.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Payback, are you kidding me? Good God.

Also a lot of these movies you are listing honestly have no relevance to a comic book super hero movie like Wolverine. Sure I'm sure there are certain influences or inspiration, but that doesn't mean a story that spans as much as Wolverine and supposedly wants to introduce new characters for new spinoffs and movies should NOT be short-changed.

you are too close minded to truly see this movie the way the creators intended for you to see it.

that saddens me because it proves that despite recent gems like The Dark Knight - a film that borrowed heavily from the crime drama genre instead of just using the source material as a bible, STILL wasn't enough to eliminate this narrow view people have today that wants comic book movies to be nothing more than "comic book movies".

Hugh Jackman has been giving Wolverine an on-screen identity far beyond that of the character from the comics for 10 years.

His take on the character, a persona that Brian Singer helped create, is most probably the reason we even have all these comic book movies today.

That would suggest that change, that deviation from the source material by gathering inspiration from OTHER venues, is the reason these films have worked.

Edward Norton took more from Bill Bixby than he ever did from the comic. Heath Ledger took more from Malcolm McDowell than he did from the comic. Hugh Jackman continues to take more from antiheroes like Mad Max than he does from the comic.

stop being so close minded and get over this comic book movie agenda you have that is clearly limiting your enjoyment of this film. Open your mind to a world where comic book movies are more than replicas of their source material

 

[danoyse]

Peter McCabe, quit calling people close-minded just because they disagree with you. There's no reason for that.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Peter McCabe, quit calling people close-minded just because they disagree with you. There's no reason for that.

So let me get this straight Danoyse,

Hugh Jackman dedicates the majority of his acting career to give a two dimensional comic book character with no no voice like Wolverine - a soul, a heart, a cause, and a film franchise - but The Vile One feels that in the end, all of that which Jackman has done is just "irrelevant" because ALL Wolverine should be is "a comic book movie superhero".

If that's not being close minded, then you tell me what is.

 

[danoyse]

So let me get this straight Danoyse,

Hugh Jackman dedicates the majority of his acting career to give a two dimensional comic book character with no no voice like Wolverine - a soul, a heart, a cause, and a film franchise - but The Vile One feels that in the end, all of that which Jackman has done is just "irrelevant" because ALL Wolverine should be is "a comic book movie superhero".

If that's not being close minded, then you tell me what is.

That's not what VileOne is saying at all, and disagreeing with another poster does not give you the right to call them close-minded.

Either agree to disagree and move on, or continue the discussion in a respectful manner. Those are your only options, and you're out of warnings about this.

 

[Peter McCabe]

That's not what VileOne is saying at all, and disagreeing with another poster does not give you the right to call them close-minded.

Did you read his post???

Either agree to disagree and move on, or continue the discussion in a respectful manner. Those are your only options, and you're out of warnings about this.

Question, do YOU agree with Vile One's opinion on this?

Do you believe ALL Jackman's Wolverine should be - is a comic book movie superhero and nothing more?

 

[danoyse]

Did you read his post???



Question, do YOU agree with Vile One's opinion on this?

Do you believe ALL Jackman's Wolverine should be - is a comic book movie superhero and nothing more?

We're not talking about what I agree with or not, I'm talking about showing respect for other posters, even when you vehemently disagree with each other. Calling another poster close-minded is not acceptable.

 

[Spider-Vader]

There we're rumors that Fox edited the movie as 90/100 minutes to make it more Family Friendly, but, after the dark and broading The Dark Knight's sucess, they re-edited the movie to fit Gavin Hood's original vision, longer, darker and edgier.

I don't know if it's truth, but maybe...

If this is true I will be really happy. Gets my hopes up for a good Deadpool spin-off & a good Daredevil re-boot.

 

[TheVileOne]

No. I'm saying those movies are not relevant to what the running time of Wolverine should be.

Wolverine is not the same type of movie. It's a comic book super hero movie. And obviously I think more highly of those than you do since I think they can be A LOT MORE than what your idols at 20th Century Fox make them to be.

Garbage like X-men 3.

 

[Peter McCabe]

We're not talking about what I agree with or not, I'm talking about showing respect for other posters, even when you vehemently disagree with each other. Calling another poster close-minded is not acceptable.

Danoyse why is it so hard for you to answer a question?

You moderate a Wolverine board where arguments are bound to take place and all you do is break them up.

Instead of just telling me to stop calling Vile One close-minded, why don't you say your own piece on the matter?

being a moderator doesn't prevent you from having an opinion.