The Run Time Length Thread

[Peter McCabe]

The point really isn't about the situation though. Its just a way of saying that people wouldn't like it if their favorite character was treated the way Cyclops was treated in X3. That's all.

Cyclops was treated that way in ALL of the movies.

And in the cartoon.

And in the comics.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Cyclops was treated that way in ALL of the movies.

And in the cartoon.

And in the comics.

I don't know where you're getting that stuff from the comics or the TAS. In the TAS Wolverine got more screentime but Cyclops was still the leader of the team and if you check IMDB he appeared in the most episodes after Wolverine (along with Professor X).

And Cyclops is probably one of the most important characters in the X-Comics right now. He's basically taken his role as Professor X's successor. I don't see how thats equivalent to getting killed after appearing for 15 minutes in X3.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Cyclops was treated that way in ALL of the movies.

And in the cartoon.

And in the comics.

He was portrayed poorly in all three films, yes. But, for a character to be portrayed poorly, that must mean their portrayal didn't appropriately reflect their character in it's source material. Essentially, what I'm saying is, the Cyclops in the films is one-dimensional, personality-wise, compared to the Cyclops' of the animated series and comics. And, if you're talking about frequency of appearance in other medias, the character was featured as frequently as Wolverine. So, I disagree that he was treated that way in in the cartoon and comics.

But Cyclops' lack of screen time or character had nothing to do with the run time of The Last Stand, so, I'd appreciate if we could get back on-topic. Or, at least incorporate X3 relevantly into said topic.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Somehow, I think that if some of the people here walked into X-Men Origins: Wolverine believing Sabretooth to have a main role because it’s a Wolverine origin movie, only to find that Sabretooth is obliterated in the first fifteen minutes of the film in order to showcase just how dangerous Wolverine is when he lets the beast inside take over, they would scream bloody murder more than anyone else in this forum.

Admittedly that made me snicker...

Wolverine in X2: "Jean did make a choice. It was you."

 

[chaseter]

Well, people say 'mixed' because of the 57 per cent on Rotten Tomatoes, as that is around the halfway mark.

On the Metacritic site, X3 gets 58/100 from critics and 6.1 out of 10 from users.

By comparison, Metacritic scores for X1 are 64/100 and 7.7 out of 10; and for X2, 68/100 and 8.2 out of 10.

And on IMDB, X1 gets 7.4 out of 10, while X2 gets 7.8 and X3 gets 7.

While X3 may get the lowest scores in those various measures, it is by no means the horror story that seems to have you on a valium prescription.

It was always intended to round off the trilogy and the release date was chosen a long time back, way before Singer jumped ship.

I said it was the worst of the three...thank for compiling numbers to prove my point I need you to do my homework. It is hilarious to nail down a date, have so many complications, and then rush to reach that date by killing off characters whose actor cannot be in the same place at once instead of pushing back the release date for quality purposes and hiring a director that was not involved in any of the creative aspects leading up to the shooting. I am a bit relieved that none of that crap has happened with this movie...except for Reynolds having prior commitments but I know they don't kill him off in the first 15 minutes so we are safe there.

That aside, one of the biggest contributing factors for that decline in quality was the run time. Everything was rushed, the pacing was off, and that hurt the movie. No one wants that again for this movie except I guess Peter McCabe who has nothing against short movies.

 

[alexlachiusa]

I'm being serious. Everything in that film was mediocre.

With the possible exception of Beast.

 

[BMM]

He's just pointing out that most people that say "get over it, it's an adaptation and blah blah blah" wouldn't be singing the same tune if the same treatment was given to their favorite character. It doesn't have anything to do the actors really. And he's right, I think. If Liev Schreiber's Sabretooth was killed off early in this film then even McCabe would probably be a little miffed.

Marsden's absence was indeed one of the main reasons Cyclops was so screwed over but that is part of the many things that prevented X3 from being as great as it could have been (Singer leaving for Superman Returns, Marsden running away with him, Fox wanting to beat him to the punch, Fox probably acting bitter to Marsden for his lack of loyalty, etc.).

The point really isn't about the situation though. Its just a way of saying that people wouldn't like it if their favorite character was treated the way Cyclops was treated in X3. That's all.

Exactly.

Maybe I'm insane but I clearly remember Avi Arad or maybe someone from Fox say that they set out from the start to make Wolverine the main character of the franchise as they wanted a strong focal character for everyone to root for instead of a bunch of characters.

Fox has been entertaining Wolverine focused scripts since 1994 when Donner and the studio first acquired the rights and long before Bryan Singer was attached to direct in 1996.

Cyclops was treated that way in ALL of the movies.

And in the cartoon.

And in the comics.

No. Just, no.




Now, back on topic. If the movie is two hours, or near two hours, great. If it must be shorter, or way under two hours as Donner put it, then I hope they spend the time wisely, focusing on the appropriate characters and storylines.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I didn't mind Cyke and Charles getting killed off. It served the purpose of the story. Jean now overflowing with rage decided to kill the people that she thinks were holding her back, trying to control her. Cyke and Charles had to go.

And I wouldn't say the run time was the biggest problem with X-3. The biggest problem was not choosing one storyline. They should of chose either Dark Pheonix saga or The Cure story, not both.

Apart from that mistake i thought it was a pretty decent film. Good action scenes, great performances by Hugh, Kelsey and Sir Ian.

I think so many are bitter about it because their favourite character got screwed, not because it's a bad film.

It goes back to my theory that people will instantly dislike something just because it's different from what they know. Comic books and comic book films for instance. Just because something is different from how you want it doesn't mean it's crap. Some people fail to realize this. They are just blinded because they are spoilt, even on a subconscious level, they might not even realize that's why they don't like it. But 99% of the time it's JUST because it is different from the source material. And I'm sorry to say, but that is tough ****ing luck.

 

[X-Maniac]

I said it was the worst of the three...thank for compiling numbers to prove my point I need you to do my homework. It is hilarious to nail down a date, have so many complications, and then rush to reach that date by killing off characters whose actor cannot be in the same place at once instead of pushing back the release date for quality purposes and hiring a director that was not involved in any of the creative aspects leading up to the shooting.

It's not hilarious, it's practical/commercial, especially when other actors have committed. You don't just send all the other contracted stars home when one or two can't do it - that costs money. What I see here is an amazing ignorance of how any industry actually works.

Marsden chose to leave, to film something at the same time as X3. So you are saying that all of X3 should be put on hold because of that? THAT is hilarious.
Do you work? Do you have a job in any field where deadlines and other pressures apply?

Furthermore, you mention 'killing off characterS' - but Phoenix was doomed to die and Xavier's demise made sense within the story to drive it forward and make the drama real rather than having him in a coma again.

That aside, one of the biggest contributing factors for that decline in quality was the run time. Everything was rushed, the pacing was off, and that hurt the movie. No one wants that again for this movie except I guess Peter McCabe who has nothing against short movies.

Runtime was a factor considering the storylines included. Which is why I have always wanted an Extended Edition.

 

[FaT_tONle]

The Cyclops solution could have been resolved had they taken the advice of the fans. They could have EASILY worked around Marsden's scheduling conflict had they followed the source material. Have Summers take a leave of absence after Jean's death in X-2. Simple as that. Let Storm and Logan be the main guys in X-3 and just use the cure storyline. Save the Pheonix arc for X-4... don't make it a 30 minute cheap plot device in X-3. I mean SM3 made the same mistake with Venom (except the Pheonix is a much more beloved arc for me personally which made it all the more painful) And don't tell me the cast wasn't willing to do an X-4. Jackman would have obviously came back. Halle said she would return to do X-4 as well. They would have done another one for sure. Have Emma Frost... Gambit... sort of like we are getting for X-Men Origins: Wolverine (go figure).... but NOOOOOOO... Fox doesn't have the patience... they want to fit what should have been two separate films into a hour and a half crap fest. They took the cheap route hence the hapassed result.

 

[Peter McCabe]

What I see here is an amazing ignorance of how any industry actually works.

there's a TON of that ignorance going around here in regards to X3.

"Work around Marsden's schedule"

"Delay the Phoenix arc 3 years"

"Scrap the fact that Wolverine has been the protagonist in the first 2 films and suddenly make Cyclops the lead"

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Cyclops was treated that way in ALL of the movies.

And in the cartoon.

And in the comics.

Sorry, but in regards to the last two, no, especially the cartoon, he was VERY prominant in that. Also, yeah in X2 he didnt get much screentime, but he was never forgotten, and Jean made it absolutely CLEAR she loved Scott over Logan. In X3, he just died and was forgotten about.

I said it was the worst of the three...thank for compiling numbers to prove my point I need you to do my homework. It is hilarious to nail down a date, have so many complications, and then rush to reach that date by killing off characters whose actor cannot be in the same place at once instead of pushing back the release date for quality purposes and hiring a director that was not involved in any of the creative aspects leading up to the shooting. I am a bit relieved that none of that crap has happened with this movie...except for Reynolds having prior commitments but I know they don't kill him off in the first 15 minutes so we are safe there.

That aside, one of the biggest contributing factors for that decline in quality was the run time. Everything was rushed, the pacing was off, and that hurt the movie. No one wants that again for this movie except I guess Peter McCabe who has nothing against short movies.

The Cyclops solution could have been resolved had they taken the advice of the fans. They could have EASILY worked around Marsden's scheduling conflict had they followed the source material. Have Summers take a leave of absence after Jean's death in X-2. Simple as that. Let Storm and Logan be the main guys in X-3 and just use the cure storyline. Save the Pheonix arc for X-4... don't make it a 30 minute cheap plot device in X-3. I mean SM3 made the same mistake with Venom (except the Pheonix is a much more beloved arc for me personally which made it all the more painful) And don't tell me the cast wasn't willing to do an X-4. Jackman would have obviously came back. Halle said she would return to do X-4 as well. They would have done another one for sure. Have Emma Frost... Gambit... sort of like we are getting for X-Men Origins: Wolverine (go figure).... but NOOOOOOO... Fox doesn't have the patience... they want to fit what should have been two separate films into a hour and a half crap fest. They took the cheap route hence the hapassed result.

Agreed with both of you, the movie was obviously rushed and it shows in the movies lack of quality IMO.

there's a TON of that ignorance going around here in regards to X3.

"Work around Marsden's schedule"

"Delay the Phoenix arc 3 years"

"Scrap the fact that Wolverine has been the protagonist in the first 2 films and suddenly make Cyclops the lead"

In regards to the first bolded point, Marsden ended up having more time to film than they had originally thought, and since they were re-writing all the time, why couldnt they write him more scenes?

In regards to the second, no one has suggested Cyclops would suddenly become the lead, but keep him there as Jean's salvation, as he should be, dont just kill him off.

 

[Deaths Head II]

"Scrap the fact that Wolverine has been the protagonist in the first 2 films and suddenly make Cyclops the lead"

I love how you claim people are arguing points like this when no one has said any such thing.

 

[chaseter]

It's not hilarious, it's practical/commercial, especially when other actors have committed. You don't just send all the other contracted stars home when one or two can't do it - that costs money. What I see here is an amazing ignorance of how any industry actually works.

Marsden chose to leave, to film something at the same time as X3. So you are saying that all of X3 should be put on hold because of that? THAT is hilarious.
Do you work? Do you have a job in any field where deadlines and other pressures apply?

Furthermore, you mention 'killing off characterS' - but Phoenix was doomed to die and Xavier's demise made sense within the story to drive it forward and make the drama real rather than having him in a coma again.




Runtime was a factor considering the storylines included. Which is why I have always wanted an Extended Edition.

Yeah I work. But when my pencils decide to go to another office I don't write with crayons just to meet a deadline. Turning in sloppy work at a job is no way to keep your job. That movie was doomed from the get go but they were damn sure going to meet that date no matter what. Xavier died and was reborn...what a wonderful arc. Phoenix was going to die yes but not at the hands...claws...of Wolverine.

You can always want an extended edition but since you know how the industry works and how Fox does business...that hope is futile.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Sorry, but in regards to the last two, no, especially the cartoon, he was VERY prominant in that.

yep, prominent enough to have Logan punch him in the stomach during episode 2.

The moment Wolverine arrived in this planet, Cyclops was sent to the bench.

Why? because to the GENERAL public that follows comics - he's just alot cooler. Claremont talks about this in EVERY single interview he's done.

the 400+ issues of WOLVERINE comics are also further evidence.

Also, yeah in X2 he didnt get much screentime, but he was never forgotten, and Jean made it absolutely CLEAR she loved Scott over Logan. In X3, he just died and was forgotten about.

He wasn't "forgotten" about. He was murdered by The Phoenix. There's a HUGE difference. His death served a purpose - and yes that was a convenient creative choice because it allowed Marsden to go off with Singer.

In regards to the first bolded point, Marsden ended up having more time to film than they had originally thought, and since they were re-writing all the time, why couldnt they write him more scenes?

for what? to serve what purpose exactly?

The Phoenix was not just gonna let Scott live after he put her away for so many years. Xavier she gave a chance to, Scott woulda died no matter what. If she hadn't killed him by the lake, she woulda killed him later on.

If they woulda shot that movie with Marsden present for 2 hours, I woulda found the whole thing ridiculous. "The Phoenix that won't kill anyone."

Don't wanna see that.

In regards to the second, no one has suggested Cyclops would suddenly become the lead, but keep him there as Jean's salvation, as he should be, dont just kill him off.

that statement is based purely on your love for the source material, and that right there [once again] shows that you are prejudiced with your opinions on this movie.

you liked how it worked in the comic? great.

that doesn't mean what was done on film didn't work.

Alot of people liked it, people that don't even know the name Chris Claremont.

it always comes down to "that's not how it was in the comic" because all these statements deeming the movie as "sloppy" or "mediocre" or "low quality" are ALL based on the story not duplicating that of the comics.

what bothers me is hearing people use X1 and X2 as ammunition against X3 when those films were FAR from the comics.

In those films Wolverine is STILL the lead and ironically the only reason Cyclops is in those movies is so Logan can crap on him every 5 minutes.

X3 may not be a Bryan Singer movie, but it carries his signature.

 

[X-Maniac]

The Cyclops solution could have been resolved had they taken the advice of the fans. They could have EASILY worked around Marsden's scheduling conflict had they followed the source material. Have Summers take a leave of absence after Jean's death in X-2. Simple as that. Let Storm and Logan be the main guys in X-3 and just use the cure storyline. Save the Pheonix arc for X-4... don't make it a 30 minute cheap plot device in X-3. I mean SM3 made the same mistake with Venom (except the Pheonix is a much more beloved arc for me personally which made it all the more painful) And don't tell me the cast wasn't willing to do an X-4. Jackman would have obviously came back. Halle said she would return to do X-4 as well. They would have done another one for sure. Have Emma Frost... Gambit... sort of like we are getting for X-Men Origins: Wolverine (go figure).... but NOOOOOOO... Fox doesn't have the patience... they want to fit what should have been two separate films into a hour and a half crap fest. They took the cheap route hence the hapassed result.

No, just no.

You are also speaking from a 'fanboy tantrum' point of view rather than a common-sense point of view.

The third film became somewhat problematic when Singer waltzed off...the chance of getting everyone back for a fourth film and for the production being 'sweetness and light' was shaky.

Fans expected Phoenix in the third film, so holding her back would have led to fanboy meltdowns, especially if a fourth film never happened. Mainstream audiences wouldn't care at lack of Phoenix though but, still, the overriding expectation was that the character would return.

And actors were mostly signed for three movies, so their return for a fourth would mean expensive renegotiations. Some negotiations might fail, some actors might not want to come back for a fourth film.

In addition, Patrick Stewart himself told my media organisation that he wanted to quit Hollywood and go back to stage work, so he may not have been available beyond X3. He fully endorsed the demise of his character, and the character's surprise survival - which was a nod to the comics in which things are always undone. There's nothing wrong with such 'teasers', they are regularly used in drama/mystery films/shows...like the icepick under the bed at the end of Basic Instinct; the final scene in the X-Files episode where a rogue killer computer is defeated then shows the computer lights clicking back on. A hint, a tease of possibilities.

All those factors point to the fact that commercial decisions made regarding X3 were all practical and sensible, with the exception of the runtime (and Ratner's choice of which of the alternative scenes to use). Those things could have been remedied for the DVD or the new Blu-ray...

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I still think that the hate for X-3 stems from it being too far a departure from the comics. Or that peoples favourite character got screwed.

People might not want to admit it, hell, they probably don't even realize it. But a lot, I mean A LOT of people slate it JUST because of those reasons I mentioned. And IMO those reasons aren't good enough to slate an entire film.

 

[Peter McCabe]

I still think that the hate for X-3 stems from it being too far a departure from the comics. Or that peoples favourite character got screwed.

People might not want to admit it, hell, they probably don't even realize it. But a lot, I mean A LOT of people slate it JUST because of those reasons I mentioned. And IMO those reasons aren't good enough to slate an entire film.

 

[X-Maniac]

I still think that the hate for X-3 stems from it being too far a departure from the comics. Or that peoples favourite character got screwed.

People might not want to admit it, hell, they probably don't even realize it. But a lot, I mean A LOT of people slate it JUST because of those reasons I mentioned. And IMO those reasons aren't good enough to slate an entire film.

Yes, there is definitely an element of hating X3 for its departures - and the controversial departures must be Cyclops' death and Rogue being cured.

I also think people were negatively slanted towards the film before even seeing it, purely because of Ratner's involvement.

I saw the same hysterical bias towards the movie 10,000 BC, purely because it is an Emmerich movie. People (including on here) were shrieking on about stuff like the predatory birds in the film, ranting on about silly carnivorous chickens and other nonsense. In fact, giant flightless birds did exist (the ones in the movie were called Titanis terror-birds and were once believed to have existed at the time the movie was set in), and the ones in the film were fine, and the sequence with the birds was well done with no technical flaws at all. But people were determined to pick the film apart. I'm not saying it's the best film ever, but the faults with the film have nothing to do with the giant birds.

X1 and X2 also departed from the comics in massive ways. It's what happened to Cyclops that's at the root of a lot of complaints and yet, interestingly, if he'd been left alive at the end mourning Jean's death it would have been a duplication of the end of X2.

Marsden didn't care enough to stick around and fight for better use of his character in X3. Superman Returns would have been perfectly okay without having an invented Richard White character added into it, even though Marsden did very well in the role.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

yep, prominent enough to have Logan punch him in the stomach during episode 2.

The moment Wolverine arrived in this planet, Cyclops was sent to the bench.

Why? because to the GENERAL public that follows comics - he's just alot cooler. Claremont talks about this in EVERY single interview he's done.

the 400+ issues of WOLVERINE comics are also further evidence.

Will you read what I am writing, I have never ONCE claimed that Wolverine was less popular than Cyclops, he is obviously more popular, but saying Cyke isnt popular and wasnt in the cartoons much is quite simply wrong. Logan was very prominent in the cartoon, but who saved Jean in the end and brought her back from the dark side? Scott. Dont see any problem with the movie doing that, it would have made not only the ending but the whole movie a lot more emotional. Logan healing 3000 times faster than he had previously in the movies and generally becoming an unlikable character ruined any chance of that for me.

He wasn't "forgotten" about. He was murdered by The Phoenix. There's a HUGE difference. His death served a purpose - and yes that was a convenient creative choice because it allowed Marsden to go off with Singer.

He was forgotten about, he was barely mentioned again in the movie and never even got a funeral, just a head stone at the very end. His death served no other purpose than to let Wolverine become the leader of the team and, IMO, and totally unlikeable version of Wolverine. Fox didnt even want Cyclops in the movie according to Zak Penn, shows how much they give a **** about the fans, and this is the studio you are currently defending.

for what? to serve what purpose exactly?

The Phoenix was not just gonna let Scott live after he put her away for so many years. Xavier she gave a chance to, Scott woulda died no matter what. If she hadn't killed him by the lake, she woulda killed him later on.

Not to be rude, but WHAT? Scott had NOTHING to do with putting The Pheonix away for years, it was XAVIER, you kow, the one with mental powers who put mental blocks in Jean's mind. Scott had NOTHING to do with any of this. There was NO reason to kill Scott other than to get him out the way.

If they woulda shot that movie with Marsden present for 2 hours, I woulda found the whole thing ridiculous. "The Phoenix that won't kill anyone."

Don't wanna see that.

Who said she didnt have to kill anyone? Her killing Xavier made total sense in the context of the story I have never denied this. And she destroyed a planet in the cartoon, why couldnt she have destroyed a city or a small town in this movie? This would easily have shown how out of control she had become without killing off Scott needlessly.

that statement is based purely on your love for the source material, and that right there [once again] shows that you are prejudiced with your opinions on this movie.

you liked how it worked in the comic? great.

that doesn't mean what was done on film didn't work.

A 2nd weekend drop like the one X3 had, not to mention the general consensus on the internet about the movie show to me that a lot of people DIDNT think it worked

Alot of people liked it, people that don't even know the name Chris Claremont.

it always comes down to "that's not how it was in the comic" because all these statements deeming the movie as "sloppy" or "mediocre" or "low quality" are ALL based on the story not duplicating that of the comics.

This is just a terrible assumption, take Watchmen out of the equation and the rest of comic book movies that are not entirely faithful dont get the ribbing X3 did. The reason? Because not only was X3 unfaithful, but it was simply a poorly made movie with incoherent scene's and plots and characters that were extremely difficult to like. IMO not only did it fail as an adaptation, but simply as a movie, I thought it was atrocious.

what bothers me is hearing people use X1 and X2 as ammunition against X3 when those films were FAR from the comics.

Exactly, they werent the most faithful themselves, but the reason those movies dont get the ribbing X3 does is because they were good, well put together movies that had some artistic integrity to them and werent made solely to make a deadline just to make a quick buck. THAT is the big difference here.

In those films Wolverine is STILL the lead and ironically the only reason Cyclops is in those movies is so Logan can crap on him every 5 minutes.

Was Cyclops **** on when Jean TOLD Logan to his face that she loved Scott and not him? Was Cyclops **** on when Logan WALKED up to him at the end of X2 and told him that Jean picked Scott over himself? NOT AT ALL.

X3 may not be a Bryan Singer movie, but it carries his signature.

I'd say this isnt the case , it had SOME of his signature, but most like Jean becoming a mute, Magneto acting like an imbecile in combat, Storm being a ***** and generally unlikable Wolverine also becoming very unlikable (and i NEVER thought ANYONE could make me dislike Wolverine, EVER) and Rogue becoming sulky again after growing into a quite spunky and confident character in X2 were NOTHING to do with Bryan Singer, but with the imbecile writers, director and studio.

 

[danoyse]

Repeating Bamfer's earlier request: let's get back on topic. Everyone can continue the X3 conversation here:

http://forums.superherohype.com/forumdisplay.php?f=466

Thank you.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Fair enough. Probably better if we just drop it.

 

[FaT_tONle]

No, just no.

You are also speaking from a 'fanboy tantrum' point of view rather than a common-sense point of view.

The third film became somewhat problematic when Singer waltzed off...the chance of getting everyone back for a fourth film and for the production being 'sweetness and light' was shaky.

Fans expected Phoenix in the third film, so holding her back would have led to fanboy meltdowns, especially if a fourth film never happened. Mainstream audiences wouldn't care at lack of Phoenix though but, still, the overriding expectation was that the character would return.

And actors were mostly signed for three movies, so their return for a fourth would mean expensive renegotiations. Some negotiations might fail, some actors might not want to come back for a fourth film.

In addition, Patrick Stewart himself told my media organisation that he wanted to quit Hollywood and go back to stage work, so he may not have been available beyond X3. He fully endorsed the demise of his character, and the character's surprise survival - which was a nod to the comics in which things are always undone. There's nothing wrong with such 'teasers', they are regularly used in drama/mystery films/shows...like the icepick under the bed at the end of Basic Instinct; the final scene in the X-Files episode where a rogue killer computer is defeated then shows the computer lights clicking back on. A hint, a tease of possibilities.

All those factors point to the fact that commercial decisions made regarding X3 were all practical and sensible, with the exception of the runtime (and Ratner's choice of which of the alternative scenes to use). Those things could have been remedied for the DVD or the new Blu-ray...

You are not gonna convince me Fox would not have brought a majority of the actors back. Cyclops could have been recasted in X-3 if they were that pissed at Marsden. They could have gotten a more credible actor that could carry a lead role in X-4. Even then, getting Marsden back for a fourth may not have been that difficult especially considering his role would have been much more significant. Famke could have been recasted. Get a younger actress that could have captured the Pheonix better in part 4. Halle and Hugh said they were interested in more. It's not like Hugh was saying "I need my own movie or I ain't coming back." He would have came back for a Pheonix story no doubt. Mckellan would not be needed nor would his minions. Patrick... I am sure they could have gotten one more picture out of him. So while pricey it was doable. Fox just assumed, "Oh we need a trilogy so no fourth movie any time soon."

 

[Peter McCabe]

You are not gonna convince me Fox would not have brought a majority of the actors back. Cyclops could have been recasted in X-3 if they were that pissed at Marsden. They could have gotten a more credible actor that could carry a lead role in X-4. Even then, getting Marsden back for a fourth may not have been that difficult especially considering his role would have been much more significant. Famke could have been recasted. Get a younger actress that could have captured the Pheonix better in part 4. Halle and Hugh said they were interested in more. It's not like Hugh was saying "I need my own movie or I ain't coming back." He would have came back for a Pheonix story no doubt. Mckellan would not be needed nor would his minions. Patrick... I am sure they could have gotten one more picture out of him. So while pricey it was doable. Fox just assumed, "Oh we need a trilogy so no fourth movie any time soon."

Famke recast?

Jackman back for a fourth TEAM movie?

"Pricey but doable" ???

common dude, you KNOW none of that makes sense.

Famke is untouchable, Jackman was tired of not playing the title role and FOX won't even cough up the cash for an X4.

*Back on topic, I'm starting to take Lauren Shuler's statement on the running time with a grain of salt.

if there's one thing studios hate - its hearing the fans complain about something they can easily fix.

My guess is she let that cat outta the bag for a purpose, perhaps to test the masses on whether or not this should be a movie as long as TDK and Watchmen.

I'll be INSANELY surprised if I'm at that midnight premiere, and the credits roll a quarter to 3

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Repeating Bamfer's earlier request: let's get back on topic. Everyone can continue the X3 conversation here:

http://forums.superherohype.com/forumdisplay.php?f=466

Thank you.

Once again, let's get back on topic. If there's nothing to discuss regarding the run time, do not contribute to this thread. There's a place for everything.

Last warning.