The Sarah Palin Thread: 'Controversial Controversy' Edition

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PALIN: 'I'M THINKING ABOUT A 2012 RUN FOR THE PRESIDENCY'
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/17/palin-i-am-thinking-about-2012-bid/?hpt=T2

You have no support beyond the most extreme wing of your own party, but you go right ahead Sarah. You've already written the campaign against you by quitting the Alaskan governorship halfway through because you didn't want to be a 'dead duck floating down the river'. Not to mention all of the wonderful idiotic gaffes and rhetoric to prove how incapable you are. Then there's always your 'I'd rather be out here in natural rather than some stuffy old political office' line that has been running in the promos for your reality show Alaskan awareness show.

Sooner or later, she and other Republican candidates (Pawlenty, Gingrich, Romney, Huckabee, Barbour, Perry) are going to have to address how to deal with Iran, North Korea, the fact that China is surpassing the United States in many ways, Europe and its financial crisis, the war on terror, etc. If Palin and other Republicans don't have any valid way to address those international issues, Obama could be re-elected again. It could also serve as a potential setback for any Republicans to take back the White House if they don't have a legit foreign policy plan.

She can run all she wants and she can vow to fix all of the domestic problems. It'll be foreign policy that kills her chances if she doesn't have any valid plan.

That issue is going to have to be addressed by all Republicans running against Obama, and not just Sarah Palin.
 
Obama is hopeless (HOPEless?) without a teleprompter.

He isn't much better than Bush to be honest. The only difference is that he has style.
 
The irony is that Palin is actually a moderate in terms of political philosophy.

I am extreme Right Wing. Ron Paul is extreme Right Wing. Gary Johnson is extreme Right Wing.

Palin? Not so much.

Palin is only "far right wing" if you use it as more an insult rather than an observation.

Ok Norm.
 
Sooner or later, she and other Republican candidates (Pawlenty, Gingrich, Romney, Huckabee, Barbour, Perry) are going to have to address how to deal with Iran, North Korea, the fact that China is surpassing the United States in many ways, Europe and its financial crisis, the war on terror, etc. If Palin and other Republicans don't have any valid way to address those international issues, Obama could be re-elected again. It could also serve as a potential setback for any Republicans to take back the White House if they don't have a legit foreign policy plan.

She can run all she wants and she can vow to fix all of the domestic problems. It'll be foreign policy that kills her chances if she doesn't have any valid plan.

That issue is going to have to be addressed by all Republicans running against Obama, and not just Sarah Palin.

I disagree. No one is going to care about international matters come 2012 if the economy is as bad as it is likely to be.
 
I disagree. No one is going to care about international matters come 2012 if the economy is as bad as it is likely to be.

What would be worse though? A bad economy, or Iran launching a nuclear bomb right into the heart of an Israeli settlement in the middle of Jerusalem? I would think the latter would be worse.
 

This passive aggressiveness of yours, Marxie, is getting old.

You criticize me for becoming more extreme, but don't have the respect to actually have a conversation. I was hoping to get something from you a few days ago, but instead got nothing.

The reality is that if the scale of politics is more government, less government - Palin is obviously not a radical less government sort-of-woman. This is due to her positions regarding the government's regulations of morals and lack of any true small government approach to economics (she is to ignorant to be extreme on economic issues).

You understand?

Now if you want to use "extreme right wing" as a replacement for "crazy", that's fine. Just know it's not accurate.
 
What would be worse though? A bad economy, or Iran launching a nuclear bomb right into the heart of an Israeli settlement in the middle of Jerusalem? I would think the latter would be worse.

What's going to have a great impact on most Americans?

The bad economy.

We aren't just talking about "bad" we are talking about "dangerous". It's a DANGEROUS economy.
 
This passive aggressiveness of yours, Marxie, is getting old.

You criticize me for becoming more extreme, but don't have the respect to actually have a conversation. I was hoping to get something from you a few days ago, but instead got nothing.

The reality is that if the scale of politics is more government, less government - Palin is obviously not a radical less government sort-of-woman. This is due to her positions regarding the government's regulations of morals and lack of any true small government approach to economics (she is to ignorant to be extreme on economic issues).

You understand?

Now if you want to use "extreme right wing" as a replacement for "crazy", that's fine. Just know it's not accurate.

I have debated you on a whole variety of subjects since I joined this forum man. If I'm being passive aggressive now it's only because I really do not have a desire to debate this new StorminNorman. (But this is really a conversation for PMs and not open forums.)
 
What's going to have a great impact on most Americans?

The bad economy.

We aren't just talking about "bad" we are talking about "dangerous". It's a DANGEROUS economy.

Palin is not going to fix the economy. Although her as President in 2012 will mean that Tina Fey will have to play her on Saturday Night Live every week. Don't know if Tina wants to do that.
 
Palin will not win the nomination. Not if most Republicans want to take back the White House. What she can do is raise her own awareness by running and make herself politically relevant for another four years if she loses the nomination (because that isn't as politically damaging as losing the general election for the WH).

However, she can still be a liability for the other contenders because to beat her they are going to have to "outcrazy" her and outdo her in Tea Party rhetoric. In short, they may have to say things to win the nomination that will be pretty damning in the general.

But on the off chance she gets the nomination, can I just say thanks?
 
You say that like it's a bad thing.

What's the difference between being an "ideologue" and being "principled"?

I stand for something and I am not going to compromise on that. Nor should any other person worthy of respect.

It is bad if you want to be an actual leader and govern this country. There is a difference between being principled and being a blowhard. And you sound like a blowhard of the Glenn Beck variety there (or even Sean Hannity, albeit he does it for money and not ideology). If you think the other side is evil, then you will not work with them and you will not contribute to getting anything done. Not unless you have absolute power. In which case you can become a version of Nancy Pelosi, I suppose. But if you are unable to compromise on problem solving, then you are a waste of a legislative seat.

George W. Bush isn't stupid, and was less partisan than either of his opponents in 2000 and 2004.

I don't think Bush is stupid. Intellectually incurious and narrow-minded? Yes. Stupid? No. And he wasn't partisan? I suppose you could say he was just dirty. Like implying John McCain had a black baby out of wedlock in the South Carolina primary, costing McCain the nomination. And he ran on homophobia and ignorance, bigotry and intolerance in 2004. To ensure his victory he made sure states would pass unconstitutional amendments to state constitutions that persecuted minorities. If that ain't partisan, it may be, to use a word you like so much, evil.

It's also worth nothing that George W. Bush, Palin and Grayson don't resemble libertarians and thus evoking them is another one of your strawmen.

No, you said you would like Palin over Obama, even if she was a puppet...because you think people like you could control her. And that stupidity is what led to uninformed people like Bush, Palin and Grayson coming into power. And then they do silly things like invade countries without just cause and more than double the national debt.

Actually I know history, economics and general facts. That's why I consider Obama's policy dangerous.

Yes, those progressives sure have pursued nothing but evil goals throughout history. Women's suffrage, opposition to isolationism, child labor laws, minimum wages, laws to help returning veterans from wars, equality for African-Americans and all minorities...truly the work of the Devil. As that is what you mean when you call them evil.

You WISH my philosophy was the product of some contrarianism, you WISH it was as simple as getting talking points from Ron Paul. You want me to be on your level. I'm not.

What is my level? The level of Hitler? The level of evil? Your ad hominem attacks are redundant and becoming somewhat pathetic. Because yes, arguing that the Civil Rights Laws were a bad thing, that Lincoln should not have preserved the Union, and that FDR was a bad president is grossly inaccurate and the contrarian view of history. Why? Because most historians view that as revisionist BS that lacks substantive scholarly research, done to support an ideology and a bias...not the facts.

After that I discovered Ayn Rand - not her fiction, but her non-fiction. Who Needs Philosophy? and Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal were tremendous eye openers. This was my first exposure to true "libertarian" ideals.

I just wanted to add, Rand? Really? She was a hypocrite who spent her life trying to rationalize greed and spent the end of her days in denial about destroying her marriage while she ruled over a cult-like group of groupies. Not a role model, I would think.
 
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I have debated you on a whole variety of subjects since I joined this forum man. If I'm being passive aggressive now it's only because I really do not have a desire to debate this new StorminNorman. (But this is really a conversation for PMs and not open forums.)

Ideologically I haven't changed all that much since 2008. The only thing that has changed is the fact that I can now do the work instead of relying upon "experts" to do it for me.

Palin will not win the nomination.

Agreed.

I do think Palin could beat Obama, though. If Palin is the GOP nomination, though, I think Bloomsberg wins the General Election.
 
It is bad if you want to be an actual leader and govern this country. There is a difference between being principled and being a blowhard. And you sound like a blowhard of the Glenn Beck variety there (or even Sean Hannity, albeit he does it for money and not ideology). If you think the other side is evil, then you will not work with them and you will not contribute to getting anything done. Not unless you have absolute power. In which case you can become a version of Nancy Pelosi, I suppose. But if you are unable to compromise on problem solving, then you are a waste of a legislative seat.

I don't think the other side is evil. I think their ideology is evil. I think that most of the people who disagree me are well intentioned, I have said that numerous times and for you to pretend otherwise is either disingenuous or ignorant on your part. Again, my favorite person of all time is Alexander Hamilton.

I don't sound remotely like Sean Hannity, but I know to expect unfair comparisons when dealing with you. If it's not a Hannity impressions it's implications of supporting slavery or segregation.

I don't think Bush is stupid. Intellectually incurious and narrow-minded? Yes. Stupid? No. And he wasn't partisan? I suppose you could say he was just dirty. Like implying John McCain had a black baby out of wedlock in the South Carolina primary, costing McCain the nomination. And he ran on homophobia and ignorance, bigotry and intolerance in 2004. To ensure his victory he made sure states would pass unconstitutional amendments to state constitutions that persecuted minorities. If that ain't partisan, it may be, to use a word you like so much, evil.

I have yet to see a single piece of evidence supporting the accusations that he implied John McCain ha a black baby out of wedlock. Heard the accusation numerous times though.

His record in Texas was as a bipartisan governor. His first achievement was working with Teddy Kennedy on No Child Left Behind. He was a more partisan politician than Al Gore or John Kerry. Not that that's necessarily a great achievement.

No, you said you would like Palin over Obama, even if she was a puppet...because you think people like you could control her. And that stupidity is what led to uninformed people like Bush, Palin and Grayson coming into power. And then they do silly things like invade countries without just cause and more than double the national debt.

I would love to have a conversation with Palin because I do believe I could guide her to the proper conclusions (it's easy when you have history on your side).


Yes, those progressives sure have pursued nothing but evil goals throughout history. Women's suffrage, opposition to isolationism, child labor laws, minimum wages, laws to help returning veterans from wars, equality for African-Americans and all minorities...truly the work of the Devil. As that is what you mean when you call them evil.

Ah, once again we have the idiocy of assuming that intending to do good is the same as doing good.

Progressives have also supported segregation and eugenics.

Again, most of the goals of Progressives are fine. Minimum wage laws have hurt most of the people they were trying to help.

What is my level? The level of Hitler? The level of evil? Your ad hominem attacks are redundant and becoming somewhat pathetic. Because yes, arguing that the Civil Rights Laws were a bad thing, that Lincoln should not have preserved the Union, and that FDR was a bad president is grossly inaccurate and the contrarian view of history. Why? Because most historians view that his revisionist BS that lacks substantive scholarly research, done to support an ideology and a bias...not the facts, which you have demonstrated time and again you care nothing about.

My "demonstrating time and again that I care nothing about facts" is nothing more than having a more accurate account of history than your professors taught you. Every position I have is based on fact.

"Your level" is that of a cliched Political Science major whose information stems less from an analysis of primary sources but instead a heavy reliance on commentary from professors who have a view of the world I do not share. I find the complaints about ad hominem attacks bizarre coming from you, it's been a specialty of yours.

I just wanted to add, Rand? Really. She was a hypocrite who spent her life trying to rationalize greed and spent the end of her days in denial about destroying her marriage while she ruled over a cult-like group of groupies. Not a role model, I would think.

I view Ayn Rand much like I view Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson was a hypocrite of the largest degree, doesn't mean that I don't consider the Declaration of Independence beautiful and poignant or the Kentucky Resolutions valueless. I can separate the ideas of a person, the creations of a person separate from the person his/herself.
 
Bloomberg would absolutely crush Palin in an election or the Primary if he decides to run as a Republican.
 
Ideologically I haven't changed all that much since 2008. The only thing that has changed is the fact that I can now do the work instead of relying upon "experts" to do it for me.



Agreed.

I do think Palin could beat Obama, though. If Palin is the GOP nomination, though, I think Bloomsberg wins the General Election.

Bloomberg winning the general election over Palin and Obama is a very bold prediction, but an unrealistic one, IMO. In an Obama vs Palin vs Bloomberg election, I think Bloomberg takes the popular vote, but Obama wins the electoral college (in large part due to New York and California).

Of course, in the Obama/Palin/Bloomberg scenario there is a good chance that none of the candidates reach 270, and if this happens....I honestly have no clue what would happen. The state delegations of the House would be responsible for electing the President. Would they respect the wishes of their voters or go along party lines? If that's the case, I could see Republicans splitting between Palin and Bloomberg and Obama weaseling his way into the majority. If none of the candidates reach 270, and anyone but the popular vote winner becomes the president, I think that will be the end of the Electoral College. I think the public mandate for its destruction will be too great to deny.
 
Bloomberg would absolutely crush Palin in an election or the Primary if he decides to run as a Republican.

If Bloomberg runs as a Republican, then he loses everything that makes him an appealing candidate, IMO. Bloomberg's beauty is that he is an independent with limitless resources who can compete on the same level as the two major parties. Put him in the party machine and the shine is gone.
 
Bloomberg couldn't win the Republican nomination if he was running against Bob Dole.

If anything, I think a Bloomsberg candidacy hurts Obama, not Palin. I think an Obama/Palin election becomes a referendum of Palin, not Obama - the obvious answer being the majority of states that anyone but Obama is probably the right answer.

Bloomberg, in that race, takes away the ABP vote.

I also think a Bloomberg third party run helps a libertarian Republican candidate for much the same reason. A libertarian Republican will be an extreme candidate and thus probably face a very Palin-like benefit from his entry.

I am telling you, Gary Johnson is the best dark horse of 2012. If he can get any recognition, he will make waves.
 
I think an Obama/Palin election becomes a referendum of Palin, not Obama - the obvious answer being the majority of states that anyone but Obama is probably the right answer.


Considering the alternative is someone as blatantly clueless as Palin, I'm not at all sure that that's an obvious answer.
 
That's the point I was making but failed to get to across. My bad. When the opposition is Palin, it doesn't become an obvious answer. She is one of the very few Republican possibilities that would actually inspire less trust with most people than Obama.

But I still believe Palin can benefit, especially with a brilliant VP choice and a few other moves that she will be advised to make. Palin's campaign has more to work with than Obama's. Of course then there are more conservative states that will vote with Palin regardless. I am not sure there are any such locks on Obama's campaign in a three way race with Bloomberg. Remember, Bloomberg will have the same amount of money as Obama has.
 
Bloomberg winning the general election over Palin and Obama is a very bold prediction, but an unrealistic one, IMO. In an Obama vs Palin vs Bloomberg election, I think Bloomberg takes the popular vote, but Obama wins the electoral college (in large part due to New York and California).

Of course, in the Obama/Palin/Bloomberg scenario there is a good chance that none of the candidates reach 270, and if this happens....I honestly have no clue what would happen. The state delegations of the House would be responsible for electing the President. Would they respect the wishes of their voters or go along party lines? If that's the case, I could see Republicans splitting between Palin and Bloomberg and Obama weaseling his way into the majority. If none of the candidates reach 270, and anyone but the popular vote winner becomes the president, I think that will be the end of the Electoral College. I think the public mandate for its destruction will be too great to deny.

In an Obama, Boomberg, Palin fight, chances are nobody would get to 270. Meaning it would go to the House and this House would select Palin.

Given Bloomberg has openly talked about his disdain for the new Republican leaders going to Washington and said that the Tea Party leaders cannot read and will be unable to make comprehensive trade deals with China, because they cannot find China on a map....I'm sure he realizes he would not be able to win as a third party candidate and might deliver the election to the very people he hates. So, he'll probably bide his time in 2012 and if he does run for president, he will wait until 2016, would be my guess.
 
I agree. He has to be smart enough to realize he'll more likely steal votes from Obama than whoever gets the Republican nom. Of course, this is the same guy who changed the law so he could get a third term, then after winning it, said it should be changed back. So his hubris knows no bounds.
 
I don't think the other side is evil. I think their ideology is evil. I think that most of the people who disagree me are well intentioned, I have said that numerous times and for you to pretend otherwise is either disingenuous or ignorant on your part. Again, my favorite person of all time is Alexander Hamilton.

If you think they are misled and following an evil path, you are still condescending to them (and myself), as well as still being unable to work with them. How can you work with people whose goal is evil tyranny? You will thereby live on the fringe unless your party has a major majority. And in this scenario you can contribute nothing beyond partisan bickering, which is wholly unneeded.

I don't sound remotely like Sean Hannity, but I know to expect unfair comparisons when dealing with you. If it's not a Hannity impressions it's implications of supporting slavery or segregation.

No. I just point out that your ideology would condone both...or at least the preservation of both. In fact, it is your ideology that Southern states used to defend both practices. To ignore that is to ignore reality in favor of a form of revisionist history.

And by comparing you to Sean Hannity, I mean you called the other side's philosophy evil and have walked it back now to saying they are "well intentioned" but misguided in their evil deeds. That is Beckian, but the ending note is that the other side is evil and your views are righteous. That is what Sean Hannity implies every night. He just does it in a smugger, more dishonest way. But the end post is still the same: "They are bad and we are good." You can rationalize it any way you want, but you have the same message.

I have yet to see a single piece of evidence supporting the accusations that he implied John McCain ha a black baby out of wedlock. Heard the accusation numerous times though.

Are you saying you don't believe the lies were spread that are well documented and McCain has commented on many times...that have also appeared in descriptions of conversations he had with Bush in Woodward books? Or are you asking for direct evidence that the rumormongers that implied that he had fathered a black child out of wedlock, was attending brothels, and that Cindy McCain was a drug addict were originated by Karl Rove. That I'd have to look up, but everyone knows who was responsible for those lies. His name starts with a "K" and ends "arl Rove." But like the months before Scooter Libby came clean, there's no concrete evidence the Bush administration leaked that, right? :whatever:

His record in Texas was as a bipartisan governor. His first achievement was working with Teddy Kennedy on No Child Left Behind. [b\He was a more partisan politician than Al Gore or John Kerry.[/b] Not that that's necessarily a great achievement.

?????

I guess we do agree. BTW you didn't comment on his running on persecution of gays and unconstitutional bigotry in the 2004 election. :dry:

I would love to have a conversation with Palin because I do believe I could guide her to the proper conclusions (it's easy when you have history on your side).

Good for you. You could be her Lady MacBeth. ;)

Ah, once again we have the idiocy of assuming that intending to do good is the same as doing good.

Progressives have also supported segregation and eugenics.

Again, most of the goals of Progressives are fine. Minimum wage laws have hurt most of the people they were trying to help.

Perhaps your partially right; the progressives also pursued the foolish prohibition that led to a spike in criminality. I tend to consider minimum wages a good thing however (though rent controlled housing is another story).

But overall the progressive agenda has done a lot of good things for this country and to say that it springs from evil is just insulting. And has no room in the national discourse from someone who thinks he'll become a senator or governor one day. It only contributes to a terrible wall of noise that has more to do with cable news' perceptions of reality than the problems we as a country do face.

My "demonstrating time and again that I care nothing about facts" is nothing more than having a more accurate account of history than your professors taught you. Every position I have is based on fact.

"Your level" is that of a cliched Political Science major whose information stems less from an analysis of primary sources but instead a heavy reliance on commentary from professors who have a view of the world I do not share. I find the complaints about ad hominem attacks bizarre coming from you, it's been a specialty of yours.

For the record my view of history stems from knowing historians from multiple backgrounds in academia, public policy, and the private sector my whole life. And learning from them, as well as reading numerous biographies and historical texts--particularly around the area of the Antebellum Period through Reconstruction in the South--and the Southern politics that formed as a result of those events leading to race riots and segregation by the end of the century. I am no scholar on the 20th centur, though I have studied Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, and Nixon exhaustively. I also have enjoyed talking to many people who actually lived through the Depression and WWII...not just read about it in a book.

You try to view history through a political philosophy....I prefer just to view history and gather my thoughts on what it meant from there. Historical context comes first, philosophical musings and interpretations come after. Your brand of libertarianism is more likely to be found articulated in a political science class by cocky undergrads trying to prove their superior intellect with argumentative, contrarian, and highly inaccurate viewpoints. And that is why their view is a footnote in history.

I view Ayn Rand much like I view Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson was a hypocrite of the largest degree, doesn't mean that I don't consider the Declaration of Independence beautiful and poignant or the Kentucky Resolutions valueless. I can separate the ideas of a person, the creations of a person separate from the person his/herself.

Fair enough. I know you hate Jefferson. Something tells me though Jefferson would hate Rand. But that would be a fun debate to watch.
 
In an Obama, Boomberg, Palin fight, chances are nobody would get to 270. Meaning it would go to the House and this House would select Palin.

Given Bloomberg has openly talked about his disdain for the new Republican leaders going to Washington and said that the Tea Party leaders cannot read and will be unable to make comprehensive trade deals with China, because they cannot find China on a map....I'm sure he realizes he would not be able to win as a third party candidate and might deliver the election to the very people he hates. So, he'll probably bide his time in 2012 and if he does run for president, he will wait until 2016, would be my guess.

Bloomberg has also critiqued Obama quite a bit. Plus the mood in the country is one fed up with the two parties and looking for change. I think if Bloomberg sees an opportunity, he will jump in. Palin creates that opportunity, because despite a base that could possibly carry her through the primary, the majority of Americans are turned off by her. Just as they have become in regards to Obama. 2012 could be the year of the third party. And as Bloomberg, who is a very smart man, undoubtedly knows, timing is everything in politics. Its like Obama saying he wasn't going to run for the presidency on in uncertain terms, and then jumping in the race a year later. Had he waited til he had experience he would probably be a far better president. But he also would've very likely cooled off. Bloomberg doesn't have the luxury of waiting til 2016. Should the economy turn around, the status quo could be the public mandate as opposed to a third party. 2012 will be his best chance to blow the lid off of the American political system and make third parties prominent. If Bloomberg is going to run, it'll be in 2012.

As for the house selecting Palin....I don't know. I think the moderate and fiscally conservative Republicans in the House would vote for Bloomberg where as the fringe Republicans and Tea Partiers would vote Palin. This could result in a split allowing the Democrats to take control of state delegation votes and Obama taking power.

All that being said, you're buying into Tea Partier B.S. Crowe. Do you really think the Tea Party candidates are all that different? Ignoring the popular vote/electoral vote leader in a House election and putting the person who finishes third in the White House (as I think an Obama/Palin/Bloomberg race would finish with Bloomberg or Obama in first, with the other in second and Palin in third for both popular and electoral votes) would be the equivilant to a coup d'etat. At least that's how the media would paint it. Tea Party candidates are the same sleazey politicans as the people whose seats they are usurping. They just found a new crowd to manipulate, much like Obama did in '08 to unseat the assumed establishment candidate Hilary, but that certainly didn't make Obama any different. Politicians care about one thing. Keeping their job and power. But no matter how crazy some Tea Partiers are, NO ONE, would want to see Democracy undermined in such a way where the third place candidate is given the win because her party controls the house. You would see a revolution that makes 2006, 2008, and 2010 combined pale in comparison. Almost every Congressman or woman who supports Palin with the exception of those from hardcore conservative districts would lose their jobs in 2014.

Maybe I'm being optimistic, but being as politicians are self-serving scum who only care about maintaining their power and job (even Tea Party candidates), I could not see them using a technicality to overrule the public (and don't cite 2000, entirely different circumstances, also, where is the career of Katherine Harris again? She lost in a landslide in 2006). The public would not stand for the scenario you describe and thus the politicians (even Tea Partiers) will not do it, due simply to their survivalist nature....I hope.
 
I know you hate Obama and boy...we all should fear a Palin presidency. But Bloomberg knows he cannot win as a third party candidate. And if he criticizes Obama, he has bashed the Tea Party as if he was hoping candy would come out. If he knew his entering the race could give an advantage to Palin, I doubt he would enter the race. Though I don't know how big his ego really is. Time will tell.

And as for Republicans siding with Palin or Bloomberg....Bloomberg will have to have made a significantly better showing in the popular vote and at least be marginally ahead in electoral votes. An independent candidate would have to win states, which beyond the Bloomberg-loving northeast is unlikely (and that would again hurt Obama). So, that gives ample room for the party to vote party lines in the House. Because it is about power. And I don't need to look at 2000, I can see how the Republicans gambled on our country's future by refusing to govern for the last two years to win 2010 elections. And as you say all politicians are self-serving. And Palin serves them better than Bloomberg, unless Bloomberg wins majorities in a number of populated states and beats Palin in the popular vote. I doubt that will happen. And again, his disdain for Palin's ilk will keep him out of the race, I think.
 
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I dunno, like Samsnee said, this is the guy who pushed to change the law so he could serve a third term and now is using his third term to push to change it back. His ego is pretty big.
 
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