The similar evolution of Batman in the comics and Films

[returntovoid]

I like Bob Kane/Bill Finger's Batman though....Other then Frank Miller thats my favorite Batman incarnation.

Yeah, Bob Kane/Bill Finger Batman is also my favorite incarnation.

For some weird reason, I like it better than the extreme Frank Miller incarnation.

Maybe, I prefer the attitude/personality of the Bob Kane/Bill Finger Batman better.

Also that story about the Monk?....That should be adapted into a live action film one day....Heard the story was amazing....What was it about exactly?....I know Batman was in his first or second year crime fighting at the time.

In that two-part story, Batman is fighting vampires and saving/rescuing Bruce Wayne's girlfriend Julie Madison from the vampires.

It's a great Batman story and the cover for part 1 issue is absolutely memorable.

 

[Brother Jack]

Yeah, Bob Kane/Bill Finger Batman is also my favorite incarnation.

So you like a Batman who carries a gun and murders. Okay then.

 

[El Payaso]

So you like a Batman who carries a gun and murders. Okay then.

Yes, okay. And I happen to like it very much too.

 

[Fresh Prince]

I also like Batman holding a gun killing people.....GOD killed people, whats wrong with Batman doing the same.....Sometimes gotta do what you gotta do....If he would of killed Joker, would of saved over billion lives.

 

[Drz]

He often killed criminals, much like Burton's Batman did. That's what Keaton's Batman was based on. Which is why many cry foul when he's accused of not being accurate to the character of Batman.

The problem i have with Batman89 was the mess it created with the script getting changed all the time. I would have been fine with a murdering Batman if Gotham city hadn't supported him with the Batsignal and the Police being his friend. >_< I mean that + the citizens blindly trusting the Jokers' voice just made these weird plot things that just make me not like 89 Batman movie so much... It's an exelent Batman movie but just not for me, hehe.

But yeah i'd love to see Bill Finger/Bob Kane-esque Batman as an elseworld. I liked the nod Brian Azzarello gave to his Batman|Doc Savage Batman who used guns for non-murdering reasons as a Nod to his very 1st character archtype.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Finger/Kane should not be an esleworlds....Since it was the original Batman.

 

[El Payaso]

The problem i have with Batman89 was the mess it created with the script getting changed all the time.

Mh, it actually never occured to me that the script was being changed all the time untill I read it somewhere. I mean I just saw the movie edited and ready, I never suspected the problems they could have had.

I would have been fine with a murdering Batman if Gotham city hadn't supported him with the Batsignal and the Police being his friend.

What's the actual problem? People were being killed, the authorities were either corrupted or powerless and Batman came and saved them. I can see why they trust and support him. And well, the corrupt police are better with him that before he came up.

I mean that + the citizens blindly trusting the Jokers' voice just made these weird plot things that just make me not like 89 Batman movie so much...

Joker offered money to a greedy city. And they went. Happens every day.

But yeah i'd love to see Bill Finger/Bob Kane-esque Batman as an elseworld.

Every superhero movie could be seen as an elseworld.

 

[Brother Jack]

I also like Batman holding a gun killing people.....GOD killed people, whats wrong with Batman doing the same.....Sometimes gotta do what you gotta do....If he would of killed Joker, would of saved over billion lives.

And he would be no better than the criminals he fights.

I suggest you read the Punisher.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Yes but GOD kiled people and he is loved by majority of people and highly praised....So whats problem with Batman killing....Does say follow in GOd's foot steps....Be like him....Also Batman do not have to kill random thugs....Just if he has too..Thugs he can have sent to prison...But guy like Joker needs to die....Why not?....He killed over billion people, Batman cause he did not take out Joker let all them people die bascially.

 

[Fresh Prince]

And Batman would be better then the criminals he fights...He fighting to protect his city, criminals kil for greed or power...Difference....Batman cause is good while their's is bad....So Batman is better.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Yes but GOD kiled people and he is loved by majority of people and highly praised....So whats problem with Batman killing....Does say follow in GOd's foot steps....Be like him....Also Batman do not have to kill random thugs....Just if he has too..Thugs he can have sent to prison...But guy like Joker needs to die....Why not?....He killed over billion people, Batman cause he did not take out Joker let all them people die bascially.

and thats why the world is in the lovely place its in now...end rant.

 

[returntovoid]

So you like a Batman who carries a gun and murders. Okay then.

Batman used a gun very rarely, back then but he did in fact kill criminals.

A killing Batman is one incarnation of the character that does not bother me but I wouldn't want it to go back to that incarnation in the comics since it would a step back in the characters evolution and the comics would end with all the iconic recurring Batman villains ending up dead.

Don't know about why the killing aspect was scrapped when they were bringing Batman to his dark roots in the 70's but it was probably for the sake of recurring villains, avoiding step back in the characters evolution or the lamest reason yet, they wanted to still keep it kid-friendly.

The incarnation of Batman that bothers the hell out of me is Frank Miller's extreme psycho one because that Batman is just too unlikable for me, can't stand the crazy attitude/personality at all.

 

[Drz]

What's the actual problem? People were being killed, the authorities were either corrupted or powerless and Batman came and saved them. I can see why they trust and support him. And well, the corrupt police are better with him that before he came up.

Every superhero movie could be seen as an elseworld.

I just didn't like the idea of a city cheering and rooting for a murderer. =/ And yeah any movie is seen as an elseworld but i'm talking like 100% Early Golden Age Batman here, hehe. =p

 

[Fresh Prince]

and thats why the world is in the lovely place its in now...end rant.

Lol dude peg bad things even before GOD made hs prescence felt.

 

[Brother Jack]

Yes but GOD kiled people and he is loved by majority of people and highly praised....So whats problem with Batman killing....Does say follow in GOd's foot steps....Be like him....Also Batman do not have to kill random thugs....Just if he has too..Thugs he can have sent to prison...But guy like Joker needs to die....Why not?....He killed over billion people, Batman cause he did not take out Joker let all them people die bascially.

The God argument is totally irrelevant. For one thing, Batman is not God and should not be given the same responsibilities. And if we're talking murder here (which we are) God doesn't do that, people do.

And Joker has not killed over a billion people. Granted it's still a pretty absurd body count, like the hundred thousands, but you are grossly exaggerating it.

Don't know about why the killing aspect was scrapped when they were bringing Batman to his dark roots in the 70's but it was probably for the sake of recurring villains, avoiding step back in the characters evolution or the lamest reason yet, they wanted to still keep it kid-friendly.

Because it goes against what Batman stands for basically. He was born out of murder, from a gun no less. For him to go from that to becoming a killer would make his entire existence only a matter of personal revenge, not justice. As was said in Batman Begins: "[Vengeance and justice] Are never the same thing."

 

[El Payaso]

I just didn't like the idea of a city cheering and rooting for a murderer. =/

Why wouldn't they? Batman saved them all. And by killing Joker he guarranteed no more innocent people would die because of him.

And yeah any movie is seen as an elseworld but i'm talking like 100% Early Golden Age Batman here, hehe. =p

Well, it's a lot of early Bat-comics but with touches of other eras too.

 

[Fresh Prince]

The God argument is totally irrelevant. For one thing, Batman is not God and should not be given the same responsibilities. And if we're talking murder here (which we are) God doesn't do that, people do.

And Joker has not killed over a billion people. Granted it's still a pretty absurd body count, like the hundred thousands, but you are grossly exaggerating it.


Because it goes against what Batman stands for basically. He was born out of murder, from a gun no less. For him to go from that to becoming a killer would make his entire existence only a matter of personal revenge, not justice. As was said in Batman Begins: "[Vengeance and justice] Are never the same thing."

Dude read the bible it said GOD killed people.....Also Batman should take up the responsibilites since it says in the bible be like GOD.

Also Joker killing billions of people could of possibly happened....I mean he killed alot of people.

 

[Brother Jack]

Dude read the bible it said GOD killed people.....Also Batman should take up the responsibilites since it says in the bible be like GOD.

So now you are advocating for people to become killers? Are you for real?

And I was talking about people murdering other people, not Biblical plagues or things like that.

Also I didn't pull the Joker's body count number out of thin air. In the continuity it is rumored to be in the ballpark of 100,000. Not anywhere close to one billion, which you completely made up.

 

[Fresh Prince]

So now you are advocating for people to become killers? Are you for real?

And I was talking about people murdering other people, not Biblical plagues or things like that.

Also I didn't pull the Joker's body count number out of thin air. In the continuity it is rumored to be in the ballpark of 100,000. Not anywhere close to one billion, which you completely made up.

1. No dude do not kill people for no reason man!....Did you read what I said before man!....I said Batman should not kill thugs but person like Joker he should to stop him completely....Cause thats the one man that seems to cause the most destruction and chaos....Caused Batman and others the most pain and suffering.

2. Okay the bible thing I just made an example for.

3. I said it was possible Joker could kill billion of people.

 

[Brother Jack]

1. No dude do not kill people for no reason man!....Did you read what I said before man!....I said Batman should not kill thugs but person like Joker he should to stop him completely....Cause thats the one man that seems to cause the most destruction and chaos....Caused Batman and others the most pain and suffering.

The ultimate victory for the Joker would be for Batman to kill him, because it would mean Batman compromising his ideals and because it would make him sink to his level. Because again, the current continuity Batman has a rule against killing. That is the basis for their entire struggle, the "unstoppable force vs. an unmovable object". The Joker wants Batman to kill him. And besides, violence begets violence, killing Joker or anyone else will not solve Gotham's problems.

3. I said it was possible Joker could kill billion of people.

He could, but he hasn't. And you can't fault him for something he hasn't done.

 

[Fresh Prince]

The ultimate victory for the Joker would be for Batman to kill him, because it would mean Batman compromising his ideals and because it would make him sink to his level. Because again, the current continuity Batman has a rule against killing. That is the basis for their entire struggle, the "unstoppable force vs. an unmovable object". The Joker wants Batman to kill him. And besides, violence begets violence, killing Joker or anyone else will not solve Gotham's problems.

He could, but he hasn't. And you can't fault him for something he hasn't done.

Dude we talking about Finer/Kane Batman....Not any other Batman era...In Finger/Kane, Batman had no rules...So the whole Joker being killed and Batman losing is out the window.

 

[Brother Jack]

It sounds like you're talking about Batman in general and why you think he should kill. You never specified that you were only referring to the 1939 Batman.

 

[Fresh Prince]

I'm only referring to the 1939 Batman.

 

[El Payaso]

Except for the few last posts, Fresh has specified "Bob Kane/Bill Finger" since the last page.

 

[Fresh Prince]

^ Thank you.