Homecoming The Spider-Man Skepticism Thread

[Herofan]

I think it's doubtful that the series would go, with Holland continuing, beyond the intended three films in high school although it's possibly the character would eventually again have a film set in college.

 

[harryoscop]

Regarding the Bugle, this is what Carroll had to say about it:

“We toyed with it for a while, but again, we didn’t want to go down that road right away, and if we do do a Daily Bugle, we want to do it in a way that feels contemporary,” producer Eric Hauserman Carroll said during a set visit. “Working in a newspaper while fighting crime and overachieving, it just felt like one of those things where like…maybe it’s in his future? Maybe it’s what he does in college or something like that. But for now, no.”

This pretty much confirms that Daily Bugle Spidey was right about Marvel initially planning on turning the Daily Bugle into a TMZ-like tabloid in early drafts of the script and making big changes to JJ himself.


You heard Carroll, when it comes time for the Bugle, it probably won't be anything like the one we know. It'll be contemporary/modernized. Which in itself, is not a bad idea (like who still buys newspapers?) but we've seen what they're version of contemporary looks like & it sucks.


JJ will be race-changed or gender-swapped or both. Calling it now.

 

[Web-Head]

^ there's already the promotional photo of the classic Bugle though.

 

[harryoscop]

^ there's already the promotional photo of the classic Bugle though.

It's an Easter egg. Acknowledgement that the Bugle already exists in the MCU. It'll certainly be changed to reflect Carroll & Marvel's vision in the future. It's no different than Martin Starr showing up as Amadeus Cho in Hulk but popping up as a completely different character in this movie.

And they probably used a newspaper as opposed to tabloid magazine because the latter is more synonymous with the traditional Bugle. More people will be able to recognize it which is probably the most important thing for an easter egg.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

Heck, Tobey's Peter went two years without encountering a super villain in between the first and second films.

I agree with the rest of your comment, but this isn't necessarily true. Just went 2 years before we saw another one.

 

[PeterBenParker]

They should make JJJ into a man coming into his own as a woman & as a shemale Nazi & is a shemale Nazi that looks & sounds like a shemale Hitler for the most radical change as possible

Because would fans really defend this just because its MARVEL doing it ?

Welcome to the Hype!

Spoiler

 

[harryoscop]

Is there any kind of reference to the origin?


Eric Carroll: There are references to it, absolutely. The story you know and love of Spider-Man is the story of this Spider-Man. We have not changed his origin story, per se. But, we just felt that showing it in any more depth locked us into a structure of a movie that has been made a couple of times, and , you know: a) it was done well before. There’s no reason to rehash it. We all know the story. And again, as soon as you start doing a flashback, it just feels familiar. It feels like what they do in the Batman films, where they maybe don’t always just dwell on it, but at the same time, they show it, or it’s starting to feel like Spider-Man, Amazing Spider-Man.

Okay, I'll admit, this made me feel better about Ben. At least Carroll gave a real, legitimate reason as opposed to the garbage "2 darkkkk!!!! More funnnnn!!! Kiddie timmeeeee!" answer for no Ben. I can respect their reasoning for why he's not in the movie. And hey, Uncle Ben is mentioned by Aunt May & the origin story is referenced.

However:

Eric Carroll: We don’t say in the script right now. For some of the characters, we didn’t. We definitely started with the Ned Leeds character as sort of the idea. But they’re all kind of composites of our favorite characters from those comics, so him especially, especially once we cast Jacob we just kind of never put the word ‘Leeds’ in the script.

Now, obviously, these set visits were from June 2016. They've changed their minds & Ned has since been given the full name "Ned Leeds" but this confirms what many of us theorized. The supporting characters are intentionally the way they are because they are mixed from different characters in the comics.


That's why Betty Brant looks like Gwen Stacy. That's why Flash Thompson has the characteristics of Amadeus Cho & early Ditko Harry Osborn. That's why Sally Avril looks like Laura Lynton & seemingly smart just like her. That's why there are so many INOS



Now we know for sure.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Not surprising to have it confirmed.

 

[harryoscop]

Nope. I just hope they don't do this to MJ or other iconic characters. I'm not trying to have JJ combined with Eddie Brock

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

Nope. I just hope they don't do this to MJ or other iconic characters. I'm not trying to have JJ combined with Eddie Brock

"PARKER! Get me more photos of that Spider-Menace or I'LL EAT YOUR BRAINS!!!"

t: (I don't think there's any chance of some characterization like that happening, but that was the first thing that popped into my head lol).

 

[spiderman2]

One thing I have not seen any one say that I am surprised about is how in the trailer Iron man says something about just being a friendly nauberhood Spider-Man. So its like even that is because of Iron Man not Spider-Man coming up with it him self. Don't like that. Granted I have not been on the Spider-Man forums a lot has I am one of the very few people that liked amazing Spider-Man 1 and 2 and find most the MCU movies to be ok/bad but I am surprised I have not seen any one talk about iron man saying that.

 

[SpideyJJ]

One thing I have not seen any one say that I am surprised about is how in the trailer Iron man says something about just being a friendly nauberhood Spider-Man. So its like even that is because of Iron Man not Spider-Man coming up with it him self. Don't like that. Granted I have not been on the Spider-Man forums a lot has I am one of the very few people that liked amazing Spider-Man 1 and 2 and find most the MCU movies to be ok/bad but I am surprised I have not seen any one talk about iron man saying that.

At this point, it's just another thing on the list of something Spidey-related that Stark is now responsible for

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

He could very well be parroting back something Peter said earlier, let's not go too far off the deep end with speculation.

On the other hand, as long as Spider-Man says the phrase, I don't really care if the local news media made it up. That's not a deal-breaker for me, really.

 

[PeterBenParker]

At this point, it's just another thing on the list of something Spidey-related that Stark is now responsible for

I'm more interested in seeing what Stark isn't responsible for in Homecoming.

 

[SpideyJJ]

I'm more interested in seeing what Stark isn't responsible for in Homecoming.

At least he didn't design the web fluid, glad they let that be Peter's brain child. Hopefully going forward, he designs his own gear. It doesn't have to be (and really, doesn't need to be) high tech, just some creative homemade MacGuiver style gadgetry. No AIs or holographic web shooters, just some simpler tech

 

[PeterBenParker]

At least he didn't design the web fluid, glad they let that be Peter's brain child. Hopefully going forward, he designs his own gear. It doesn't have to be (and really, doesn't need to be) high tech, just some creative homemade MacGuiver style gadgetry. No AIs or holographic web shooters, just some simpler tech

Which goes back to the less-is-more approach he's always had. It was never that his gadgetry and do-hickeys were anything special, it was rather that it came directly from the genius he's had ever since his inception and as he got older, he bettered things. It's a shame that if/when he does break away from Tony, a lot of things he may/could create will come from Tony's original ideas/creations.

I'm just happy we're going to see (and experience) Peter's original web-shooters in action against Vulture along with everything Peter was BEFORE Stark came into his life when he does have to rely on himself again.

 

[SpideyJJ]

Which goes back to the less-is-more approach he's always had. It was never that his gadgetry and do-hickeys were anything special, it was rather that it came directly from the genius he's had ever since his inception and as he got older, he bettered things. It's a shame that if/when he does break away from Tony, a lot of things he may/could create will come from Tony's original ideas/creations.

I'm just happy we're going to see (and experience) Peter's original web-shooters in action against Vulture along with everything Peter was BEFORE Stark came into his life when he does have to rely on himself again.

Agreed . One thing that I'm optimistic about is him going against the Vulture after Stark confiscates (bleh) the high tech suit. Would be a nice way to show that he doesn't need all the fancy tech when he has his own wits & abilities (and hopefully spells the end of Stark being the Q to his Bond gadget wise)

 

[harryoscop]

Peter's arc in the movie as explained by Carroll:

It's a story about acceptance. Him wanting to be like "the cool kids" but then realizing he IS cool."

Him rejecting the Avengers & ditching Stark makes sense for his character arc. He should realize he doesn't need to be an Avenger to be the Amazing Spider-Man. (He never has in the comics) That's why I'm feeling more optimistic for Homecoming. Maybe Marvel realizes how much of a turnoff having Stark so involved is to many fans. Maybe that's the point.

 

[dkamphaus43]

Agreed . One thing that I'm optimistic about is him going against the Vulture after Stark confiscates (bleh) the high tech suit. Would be a nice way to show that he doesn't need all the fancy tech when he has his own wits & abilities (and hopefully spells the end of Stark being the Q to his Bond gadget wise)

Peter's arc in the movie as explained by Carroll:Him rejecting the Avengers & ditching Stark makes sense for his character arc. He should realize he doesn't need to be an Avenger to be the Amazing Spider-Man. (He never has in the comics) That's why I'm feeling more optimistic for Homecoming. Maybe Marvel realizes how much of a turnoff having Stark so involved is to many fans. Maybe that's the point.

It would be even more awesome if the whole thing turns out to be a middle finger at the current direction for the character in Dan Slott's run.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Here's hoping. I'll probably still be a little annoyed they went in this direction for a coming-of-age take on Spidey, but I'll just be happy to have solo Spidey again.

 

[NealKenneth]

Count me as one of the people who actually likes when Peter doesn't make his own web shooters. This seems like a gimmicky holdover from the early days of comics to me, and it slightly damages his everyman image.

Weirdly, the idea that he made his own shooters makes him more of a mini-Iron Man to me than getting his better tech from Tony...I know that goes against the comics but it's just my personal opinion.

 

[harryoscop]

If making his own Webshooters somehow goes against his everyman image then so does having Tony Stark: a billionaire playboy as his benefactor.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

^I'll give it to harry on this one, he wasn't a high school senior who applied for a scholarship sponsored by Stark.

Count me as one of the people who actually likes when Peter doesn't make his own web shooters. This seems like a gimmicky holdover from the early days of comics to me, and it slightly damages his everyman image.

So far, the only world without him making webshooters on his own is the Raimi trilogy with organic webshooters.

 

[2kt09]

^I'll give it to harry on this one, he wasn't a high school senior who applied for a scholarship sponsored by Stark.

They're turning him into Ultimate Reed and Tony from the looks of it. Heck...Disney's Big Hero 6 had that as well.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

They're turning him into Ultimate Reed and Tony from the looks of it. Heck...Disney's Big Hero 6 had that as well.

I didn't read Ultimate