Homecoming The Spider-Man Skepticism Thread

[ironwez20]

Parachutes and a talking suit..... sigh.

 

[Poppy]

Parachutes and a talking suit..... sigh.

Hopefully Peter will get rid of the suit because he will decide that all those gadgets are 'not him'.
It will make Peter look dumb tho, to go back to the same Spidey suit in the sequel without the Stark improvements because they would have helped him save more lives once he was used to them. So again, Tony :1 Peter:0.

This poster looks like the picture you see on a cereal box.
it looks like its from a cartoon and not a live action movie. I don't understand why they chose to photoshop it so much that Peter ends up looking fake.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I doubt they get rid of the suit, it gives him a connection to Iron man and thats something Sony will want to keep.

Although saying that it might have been marvels idea.

 

[Murdock103]

Is anyone else slightly annoyed by the continuity error of Spidey's reaction to Giant Man?

 

[Poppy]

I doubt they get rid of the suit, it gives him a connection to Iron man and thats something Sony will want to keep.

Saying that it might have been marvels idea.

He can keep it in his room as a souvenir. They can have a shot where they zoom on it in the sequel, and that's it. I think we already got enough Peter/Tony connections with CW and HC.

 

[PeterBenParker]

So, how about that vlogging? Or Peter calling in reporting in to Tony that he stopped a bike thief? They are really driving home that this Spider-Man is a newbie and at this point I can't even get annoyed at that aspect anymore.

What got me annoyed was the countless Avengers talk in both trailers. I think anyone that sees Iron Man on a poster would know this is a MCU film. I think anyone that watches one trailer would know that this is a MCU film. You can calm down now, Sony.

 

[GuestStar2004]

He can keep it in his room as a souvenir. They can have a shot where they zoom on it in the sequel, and that's it. I think we already got enough Peter/Tony connections with CW and HC.

Yeah but what i mean is it allows Spider-Man to be Iron-man and Iron man is the biggest character in the MCU right now

 

[ironwez20]

Yea they must really think everyone is stupid. It's like they are saying to us. Look look look! This is mcu spidey! This is different! So that begs the question if they don't want to confuse people then why the hell are u making a venom movie that doesn't connect to this universe? Are they trying to kill off there movie studio?

 

[Poppy]

What got me annoyed was the countless Avengers talk in both trailers. I think anyone that sees Iron Man on a poster would know this is a MCU film. I think anyone that watches one trailer would know that this is a MCU film. You can calm down now, Sony.

It's funny cause I blame Marvel more than Sony. The MCU has an habit to force Avengers characters/references even if it takes away from the main characters of the story.

So, how about that vlogging?

If Peter vlogged to give his side of the story (for instance with JJJ screaming everytime that the gets the opportunity that "Spidey is a menace!") that I would be down for it.
It would be a cheap and easy way to let Spider-man defend himself.

But in the Homecoming movie, it's just dumb from Peter because May or anyone else can find out about his secret idendity. And we just had a movie where Captain America fought so people can keep their secret identity, secret.
It makes Peter look reckless. But I guess it gives Marvel the opportunity to show again Peter being a kid!!

 

[GuestStar2004]

its to make peter a relatable teen in today standards

 

[SpideyJJ]

Anyone remember Those Sony emails about how they wanted Peter to listen to EDM & use snapchat because teens were doing it? The vlogging thing reminds me of that.


Also, I find it pretty insane how people on social media are defending the vlogging (in spite of the numerous stupid issues it needlessly brings) and say it's more in character for Peter than him skateboarding in ASM. Irregardless of your stance on Homecoming & the ill fated ASM franchise, I think we can all agree which is the worse idea

 

[Poppy]

Also, I find it pretty insane how people on social media are defending the vlogging (in spite of the numerous stupid issues it needlessly brings) and say it's more in character for Peter than him skateboarding in ASM. Irregardless of your stance on Homecoming & the ill fated ASM franchise, I think we can all agree which is the worse idea

I'm not suprised. When the MCU is involved, the audience loses its objectivity a little.

'Fans' of Peter are fine with Tony creating his Spidey suit which is still a big let down for me.

 

[Web-Head]

Wow. Ok...
Spider-Man is arguably my favorite superhero and I wanted him in the MCU, but I'm not really feeling this version of Spider-Man at all. Really unfortunate bc Marvel's done a great job with the other heroes and I'm only still interested because of Keaton.

The supporting cast is unrecognizable, Spider-Man's tech suit is way too much and they made him a 13 year old boy, obsessed with the Avengers and the vlogging?

 

[PeterBenParker]

Yea they must really think everyone is stupid. It's like they are saying to us. Look look look! This is mcu spidey! This is different! So that begs the question if they don't want to confuse people then why the hell are u making a venom movie that doesn't connect to this universe? Are they trying to kill off there movie studio?

Yeah, this I completely agree with. Don't announce a Venom movie then simultaneously force a bunch of MCU fluff in your final trailers for a film that is a shared entity (especially when you're still trying to feel for buzz about your solo experiments namely Hardy cast as Venom). They can't have it both ways like that because it comes off as completely bizarre.

It's funny cause I blame Marvel more than Sony. The MCU has an habit to force Avengers characters/references even if it takes away from the main characters of the story.

That's an accurate point. I just said Sony because they have a lot riding on this film, just as they did with TASM2, so the marketing is at an all-time extreme. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a Marvel move first, though.

If Peter vlogged to give his side of the story (for instance with JJJ screaming everytime that the gets the opportunity that "Spidey is a menace!") that I would be down for it.
It would be a cheap and easy way to let Spider-man defend himself.

Exactly.

But in the Homecoming movie, it's just dumb from Peter because May or anyone else can find out about his secret idendity. And we just had a movie where Captain America fought so people can keep their secret identity, secret.
It makes Peter look reckless. But I guess it gives Marvel the opportunity to show again Peter being a kid!!

To add, as others pointed out, it conflicts with what Civil War gave us. Just a really odd addition.

Anyone remember Those Sony emails about how they wanted Peter to listen to EDM & use snapchat because teens were doing it? The vlogging thing reminds me of that.

That's probably where it came from. I could try to look at the bigger picture, like maybe he'll use his vlogging skills when The Bugle is reintroduced (because you know that's going to be different) but then I'd be questioning that because Mary Jane has had that recently.

Edit: We also know he saves a redhead with a camcorder, so..

Also, I find it pretty insane how people on social media are defending the vlogging (in spite of the numerous stupid issues it needlessly brings) and say it's more in character for Peter than him skateboarding in ASM. Irregardless of your stance on Homecoming & the ill fated ASM franchise, I think we can all agree which is the worse idea

Skateboarding either added nothing ultimately because it was only really showcased a handful of times or it was their excuse to have Peter be comfortable already with swinging, leaps, and general agility. This vlogging CONTRADICTS what we already know (and seen) and demonstrates how naive/reckless/irresponsible this Peter is. I just-I got nothing else for those people.

 

[SpideyJJ]

I'm not suprised. When the MCU is involved, the audience loses its objectivity a little.

'Fans' of Peter are fine with Tony creating his Spidey suit which is still a big let down for me.

Which sucks tbh. In the 9 years since it's first movie, Marvel has definitely earned the right to have audiences optimistic for each release. They consistently deliver good/great & fun CBM's that anyone can enjoy without being much of a comic fan, and that comic fans can enjoy because of good represenation of their favorite characters. Even the less favourable movies in their roster are still well received as decent/good movies & not complete messes. Were there changes to the characters & their worlds? Yes, it's to be expected with literally any big screen adaptation of a preexisting property. But the changes were done well, and the spirit of the characters & their worlds were still recognizable.

With Spider-Man, from what I've seen there's more things that are unrecognizable than things which are. We have a 15/16 year old vlogging clueless Stark fanboy who just wants to please his mentor & father figure (oh sorry, BIG BROTHER figure) while swinging around in his Stark tech suit going to a specialized school on his Stark scholarship after fighting against one half of the premier Super Hero team on Earth (who've saved the world multiple times, once in his home city of New York) for no reason other than to impress Stark (Tom's own words) while not knowing what's going on. He has a meme loving obese best pal who's help he needs to figure out his Stark suit while having to deal with a nerdy cyber bully who's physically smaller than himself & some hipster type chick who seems to have a crush on him but picks on him, not to mention his young hip aunt who's more like a sister to him.

If you read that description without context, would any of that sound like Peter/Spider-Man to you? Because it doesn't to me and that's what bothers me. I don't doubt that Marvel can make good movies, they've proven it time & time again (and I genuinely believe Homecoming will be a good movie). But will it be a Spider-Man movie?

Wow. Ok...
Spider-Man is arguably my favorite superhero and I wanted him in the MCU, but I'm not really feeling this version of Spider-Man at all. Really unfortunate bc Marvel's done a great job with the other heroes and I'm only still interested because of Keaton.

The supporting cast is unrecognizable, Spider-Man's tech suit is way too much and they made him a 13 year old boy, obsessed with the Avengers and the vlogging?

It's really disheartening, but it is what it is. At least public opinion of Spider-Man isn't as bad as it was 3 years ago

 

[psylockolussus]

Oh shucks, so a Spidey suit with a built in Ai from Tony Stark? Oh dear, so much for a homecoming.

It is so obvious Marvel isn't that confident that they needed to shoe horn Tony and give a Spidey a different take like an Avenger wannabe that needs a hero lesson from an Avenger. They might as well just feature him in Avenger movies from now on and cancel Homecoming II.

 

[Spider-man95]

I'm glad some of you got the same impression from those trailers as me. I felt a little alienated with all the praise I was seeing elsewhere. Though to be fair I did see some top comments on youtube say about the suit being waaaay too tech based.

It's like....their are things I've seen from this movie that I really like and there are other things that I just facepalm to. How can they get somethings so right and other things so wrong?




I think the reason Peter is so clingy to Stark is because he really wants a Father figure after Uncle Ben died. I can totally buy, I think that's why he's letting Tony know he stopped a bike robber, it may seem over the top but I think it does make sense.

I really hope Peter actually breaks away from Stark and realizes that he can't replace Uncle Ben as a Father figure, I hope he changes the suit as well and it looks like the classic suit without the black bands and unnecessary lines.

 

[Web-Head]

I'm glad some of you got the same impression from those trailers as me. I felt a little alienated with all the praise I was seeing elsewhere. Though to be fair I did see some top comments on youtube say about the suit being waaaay too tech based.

It's like....their are things I've seen from this movie that I really like and there are other things that I just facepalm to. How can they get somethings so right and other things so wrong?


I really hope Peter actually breaks away from Stark in this and changes the suit and it looks like the classic suit without the black bands and unnecessary lines.

I think their biggest problem is they tried way too hard to differentiate this Spidey from the previous movies.

 

[Spider-man95]

I think their biggest problem is they tried way too hard to differentiate this Spidey from the previous movies.

And for that, I blame Sony for forcing a reboot with the TASM franchise.

 

[Poppy]

So Stan Lee created Peter because he wanted the teenager to be his own hero for once and to be independant. And Homecoming completely erased this by giving him a bff who helps him with his secret and a mentor who gave him a suit.

On the positive side, the last SMH official posters made me realize how gorgeous were the Raimi ones.

 

[Spider-man95]

So Stan Lee created Peter because he wanted the teenager to be his own hero for once and to be independant. And Homecoming completely erased this by giving him a bff who helps him with his secret and a mentor who gave him a suit.

Yep....had to make it different though! I still think they could've done that and not made those changes.

 

[harryoscop]

Of course casual fans are going to praise it. Most of them don't give a hoot about changes, some of them didn't care until he got in the MCU (MCU fanatics) & some hardcore fans are just greatful he's in the MCU at all. Not saying everybody fits Into that box (everybody certainly doesn't) but that's what I've seen on Social Media.



Places like Reddit are kind of a hivemind and if you go against the majority, you'll be downvoted into oblivion, sometimes even have your comment deleted.

 

[Web-Head]

Of course casual fans are going to praise it. Most of them don't give a hoot about changes, some of them didn't care until he got in the MCU (MCU fanatics) & some hardcore fans are just greatful he's in the MCU at all. Not saying everybody fits Into that box (everybody certainly doesn't) but that's what I've seen on Social Media.



Places like Reddit are kind of a hivemind and if you go against the majority, you'll be downvoted into oblivion, sometimes even have your comment deleted.

But he's Spider-Man done right!

One who has a tech suit, obsessed with the Avengers, acts like a 13 year old and vlogs...

 

[PeterBenParker]

We have a 15/16 year old vlogging clueless Stark fanboy who just wants to please his mentor & father figure (oh sorry, BIG BROTHER figure) while swinging around in his Stark tech suit going to a specialized school on his Stark scholarship after fighting against one half of the premier Super Hero team on Earth (who've saved the world multiple times, once in his home city of New York) for no reason other than to impress Stark (Tom's own words) while not knowing what's going on. He has a meme loving obese best pal who's help he needs to figure out his Stark suit while having to deal with a nerdy cyber bully who's physically smaller than himself & some hipster type chick who seems to have a crush on him but picks on him, not to mention his young hip aunt who's more like a sister to him.

I genuinely believe Homecoming will be a good movie. But will it be a Spider-Man movie?

Spoiler

I know Homecoming is going to be a good movie, but that won't matter as much to me if I come out of it like I did with Civil War. Civil War was fantastic but how it handled Spider-Man was not and that stung.

 

[harryoscop]

So Stan Lee created Peter because he wanted the teenager to be his own hero for once and to be independant. And Homecoming completely erased this by giving him a bff who helps him with his secret and a mentor who gave him a suit.

On the positive side, the last SMH official posters made me realize how gorgeous were the Raimi ones.

That's the tragedy of it. The original intent of the character is lost. And the sad thing is, it's very relevant to teenagers of today. It would have completely fit with the contemporary theme of the movie. An independent teen Spider-Man