Homecoming The Spider-Man Skepticism Thread

[Spider-Aziz]

I hated Andrews cocky Peter but ok

Lol nooooooo not at all. Andrews Peter was a confident guy and a *****e. Tom is a playful kid who is to naive . They are nothing alike at all.

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Two ways of dealing with a bully, the second one is obviously an unlikable cocky *****e with an attitude.
How dare you play basketball with a smile?

 

[Frodo]

I like Garfield's Peter more in the second than the first film, even though I loathe ASM2 . Holland does seem a bit of a fusion between Garfield's and Maguire's Peter ,except, Holland's actually does seem like a child, and has the wide eyed naive outlook of a kid, as opposed to two grown men in their twenties trying to act like teenagers.

He also seems to have better jokes and lines in the suit than Maguire and Garfield did. Lets hope he has a better story to work with then the last three films as well.

 

[ironwez20]

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Two ways of dealing with a bully, the second one is obviously an unlikable cocky *****e with an attitude.
How dare you play basketball with a smile?

Yea except I wasnt using that as an example. Actually tobey handles it bettter. As a person whowho doesn't know what he's doing and fighting a bully who tormented him for a long time. Outside the suit Peter is a timid and shy teen. He didn't fully come out of his shell til college. Andrews Peter comes off as like just some normal cocky teen. Nothing really nerdy or timid about him. Couldn't even take him being bullied seriously.

 

[2kt09]

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Two ways of dealing with a bully, the second one is obviously an unlikable cocky *****e with an attitude.
How dare you play basketball with a smile?

My gawd does Raimi know how to shoot, cut, and write a scene.
Maybe in the next reboot they'll get someone with proven credentials.

 

[GuestStar2004]

TBH the NBA Finals Spot where he leaps over the sofa just to sit on it makes him seem just as cocky a peter parker.

Holland does seem a bit of a fusion between Garfield's and Maguire's Peter

Yeah i think i can see that.

If anything he is fairly confidently naive.

 

[harryoscop]

Holland's Peter behaves like a caricature of teenager. Garfield's interpretation is much closer to reality. That's one thing he has over Tom.

 

[ironwez20]

Holland's Peter behaves like a caricature of teenager. Garfield's interpretation is much closer to reality. That's one thing he has over Tom.

Teens don't act like Andrew did buddy. Tobey acted more like a teen when he got his power s than Andrew did. Holland is more like a child who got powers more than a teen.

 

[2kt09]

Holland is more like a child who got powers more than a teen.

 

[harryoscop]

Teens don't act like Andrew did buddy. Tobey acted more like a teen when he got his power s than Andrew did. Holland is more like a child who got powers more than a teen.

Garfield perfectly captured the modern teenager, from his mannerisms to his "*****e" attitude. Whether it was right for Peter is definitely up for debate but It's clear that Webb was very in-tune. Andrew's reaction to getting powers was much more realistic than Tobey. He tested his limits to see what he could & couldn't do. He didn't go straight to jumping from 5 story rooftops. Yeah, some teens may have done that but still, some have more sense.

And I agree with you about Holland. He acts more like an 11 year-old than a 15 year-old. He acts like those kids from Cop Car which made sense for them but not for Peter. Marvel is very out of touch, they should have gotten Brian Michael Bendis to consult them.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Teens don't act like Andrew did buddy. Tobey acted more like a teen when he got his power s than Andrew did. Holland is more like a child who got powers more than a teen.

I actually thought toby was more a caricature of a geek that you would see in 80s and 90s kids shows and kids movies.

its a check box of things to tick to make sure the audience get it.

 

[YoungBlood]

Let's be honest, a real teenager does not act like any of them to a certain extent.

 

[ironwez20]

Garfield perfectly captured the modern teenager, from his mannerisms to his "*****e" attitude. Whether it was right for Peter is definitely up for debate but It's clear that Webb was very in-tune. Andrew's reaction to getting powers was much more realistic than Tobey. He tested his limits to see what he could & couldn't do. He didn't go straight to jumping from 5 story rooftops. Yeah, some teens may have done that but still, some have more sense.

And I agree with you about Holland. He acts more like an 11 year-old than a 15 year-old. He acts like those kids from Cop Car which made sense for them but not for Peter. Marvel is very out of touch, they should have gotten Brian Michael Bendis to consult them.

Nah Garfield acted more like it was a normal occurrence. Tobey acted like somebody who just got something exiciting.

 

[ironwez20]

I actually thought toby was more a caricature of a geek that you would see in 80s and 90s kids shows and kids movies.

its a check box of things to tick to make sure the audience get it.

I mean the movie was made in 2002 just after the 90s

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I think harryoscop should know how most teenagers he interacts with personally behave, he's either a teenager or fairly graduated that age stage.
Teenagers of all ages can be cocky and *****y, some of the nicest people can be bigger *****es than Andrew's Peter ever was shown on screen, and he's been more nice than *****e.

Pretty accurate to the comic version, and I'm thinking more of the Ditko era (where he can mercilessly mock Flash, hang his boss in his office twice, fight the after crashing into a party, knock Flash unconscious in the street, spit insensitive insults to Betty Brant, tell everyone Flash is Spider-Man after knocking him unconscious in a sly convincing way) than I am thinking Ultimate Peter who Marc Webb is admittedly a fan of, and is less of a jerk than Ditko's Pete ever was. Andrew is so spunky in the role, and his Pete was mostly adorable and easy to like.

As for how unlikable jerks in movies can be, look at my current avatar, Sean Connery made him a pop culture icon, Daniel Craig was given more of the characters routes and was a real jerk who can often be unlikable because of that, nobody thinks twice about that.


Getting back to how Tom Holland appears in all promos; he's more annoying than charming, I still don't hate him, but I don't want to see much of him after this movie. I'm still miffed that we didn't get another solo Hulk adventure, he deserves a superb movie, and it's easier to have one now.

 

[Shikamaru]

Ditko's Peter was way worse of a *****ebag than Andrew was. It isn't even a contest.

I'm not even saying that as a good thing. I love the Lee/Ditko run, but his Peter was a bit too pissed at life for my tastes. I like how Romita Sr. toned him down a bit.

 

[Herofan]

Pretty accurate to the comic version, and I'm thinking more of the Ditko era (where he can mercilessly mock Flash, hang his boss in his office twice, fight the after crashing into a party, knock Flash unconscious in the street, spit insensitive insults to Betty Brant, tell everyone Flash is Spider-Man after knocking him unconscious in a sly convincing way) than I am thinking Ultimate Peter who Marc Webb is admittedly a fan of, and is less of a jerk than Ditko's Pete ever was.

I thought classic Peter's insults to Flash generally were pretty provoked comebacks (and they were actually funny), a lot more so than with Ultimate Peter (who IIRC would more often start or escalate things), I don't remember him insulting Betty much but I think it was pretty rare.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

This argument is so freaking stupid.

Andrew's portrayal of Peter wasn't my favorite, but go read some Ditko Peter. Not far off.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I thought classic Peter's insults to Flash generally were pretty provoked comebacks (and they were actually funny), a lot more so than with Ultimate Peter (who IIRC would more often start or escalate things), I don't remember him insulting Betty much but I think it was pretty rare.

With Flash there is a mix of both scenarios.

 

[Shikamaru]

Spoilers covering the first act of the movie are out. Read at your own peril.

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There's things I like and don't like about it.

Starting off with Peter, he's clearly a lot more independent than the marketing makes it seem. Not only has he not seen Tony since Civil War, but Tony has no intention of making him an Avenger anytime soon. Second, they specifically mention how the suit's gadgets get in his way, which adds more credibility to the theory that No Frills Proto COOL! in the soundtrack means he'll get rid of the non-Spidey gadgets. Lastly while he doesn't invent the spider-trackers and different webbings himself, Tony doesn't just hand it to him. Peter and Ganke have to use their minds to hack the suit.

I won't say my reservations are completely gone, but Sony is clearly partly trying to mislead people into thinking Tony's more involved than he really is. I had a feeling this was true anyway, but I underestimated the extent to which it was true.

The high school stuff on the other hand sounds kinda juvenile. Things like Ganke blurting out Peter knows Spider-Man is what I would expect from a comedic caricature on a show like Foster's Home or Camp Lazlo. It also sounds like Peter's high school life isn't crappy enough. IMO, all high school versions of Peter should have their social lives suck to an extent (at least initially). Even Flash sounds more like an annoyance than a genuine tormentor. It makes me wonder if Marvel's shying away from certain ideas to make it more family-friendly (wouldn't be the first time I felt that way).

Anyways, this is just my reaction to the given information. Many things could change when looking at the film as a whole.

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't think that'll be the case, thankfully. Feige said this movie is the story of how he becomes the Spidey we all know & love & Holland said it was a concious decision to make him this way to contrast the Spider-Man we get later.

The only problem is, Peter has never been this immature, naive & bad at his job. That novel almost sounds like a bad comedic parody of Spider-Man. And it's totally nonbelievable & forced because he has been Spider-Man for NINE MONTHS!_ That's almost a full year! How the heck is he still coming into his powers?

Are you still planning to see this movie in theatres? I'm not so sure if I am. I feel it would be just for the sake of seeing it, but I'm not really hyped about it at all, and most of what I've heard about this film doesn't sound very promising. When I saw ASM1, I wasn't that hyped either, and once I had watched it I wondered if I should have really bothered seeing it on the big screen. It wasn't bad, but it's something I could've waited for once it came out on DVD/BR.

I haven't watched GOTG2 yet. I'm not sure I should have watched Doctor Strange on the big screen either. I did see WW though. Cinema tickets are expensive here, and this is just another Spider-Man film, of which there have been 5 already. Yes, it is MCU Spider-Man and that should've been a bigger deal, but at the moment it's not.

 

[harryoscop]

Are you still planning to see this movie in theatres? I'm not so sure if I am. I feel it would be just for the sake of seeing it, but I'm not really hyped about it at all, and most of what I've heard about this film doesn't sound very promising. When I saw ASM1, I wasn't that hyped either, and once I had watched it I wondered if I should have really bothered seeing it on the big screen. It wasn't bad, but it's something I could've waited for once it came out on DVD/BR.

I haven't watched GOTG2 yet. I'm not sure I should have watched Doctor Strange on the big screen either. I did see WW though. Cinema tickets are expensive here, and this is just another Spider-Man film, of which there have been 5 already. Yes, it is MCU Spider-Man and that should've been a bigger deal, but at the moment it's not.

Yeah, I'm seeing it. It would be wrong for me to have spent so many months complaining and then not even see the movie. However, I'm spoiling the ending for myself as soon as the info becomes available

 

[Mysteryman]

Yeah, I'm seeing it. It would be wrong for me to have spent so many months complaining and then not even see the movie. However, I'm spoiling the ending for myself as soon as the info becomes available

Why?
Do you expect the ending to be bad?

 

[samsnee]

Yeah, I'm seeing it. It would be wrong for me to have spent so many months complaining and then not even see the movie. However, I'm spoiling the ending for myself as soon as the info becomes available

Spider-man gets overpowered by Vulture, Tony comes in and saves the day and then makes out with Aunt May, and gives Peter a serum to cure him of his powers.

 

[Mysteryman]

Spider-man gets overpowered by Vulture, Tony comes in and saves the day and then makes out with Aunt May, and gives Peter a serum to cure him of his powers.

Homecoming Two:Vulture Rules The Roost.

 

[X Knight]

Are you still planning to see this movie in theatres? I'm not so sure if I am. I feel it would be just for the sake of seeing it, but I'm not really hyped about it at all, and most of what I've heard about this film doesn't sound very promising. When I saw ASM1, I wasn't that hyped either, and once I had watched it I wondered if I should have really bothered seeing it on the big screen. It wasn't bad, but it's something I could've waited for once it came out on DVD/BR.

I haven't watched GOTG2 yet. I'm not sure I should have watched Doctor Strange on the big screen either. I did see WW though. Cinema tickets are expensive here, and this is just another Spider-Man film, of which there have been 5 already. Yes, it is MCU Spider-Man and that should've been a bigger deal, but at the moment it's not.

Yeah, I'm seeing it. It would be wrong for me to have spent so many months complaining and then not even see the movie. However, I'm spoiling the ending for myself as soon as the info becomes available

I'm honestly not sure if I'm going to see it, either.

Like Dark Raven, I'm feeling extremely underhyped about the whole thing - and that's not a good sign less than a month away.

Like harry, I am going to spoil the ending, mainly in relations to the true identity of "Michelle."

If it's finally put to rest that Michelle is just Michelle, an original character, and she in no way shape or form is supposed to be MJ, then I will probably see the movie to give it a chance - unless it gets absolutely savage reviews.

if however the ending spoilers reveal Michelle is MJ, then that would be the final nail in the coffin for me.