Homecoming The Spider-Man Skepticism Thread

[PeterBenParker]

The main reason why there's Ultimate Cartoon comparisons is because the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon took a name with a built in fanbase and suddenly did its own thing with it, which is exactly what Homecoming is going to do.

The other reasons why there's comparisons is because of the literalness of it all. Peter, in the show, is reckless, annoying and child-like..much like Tom's version is. He is a major fanboy of Stark just like Holland's version ("Flight of the Iron Spider" is really all you need to get a gist of their inspiration). He has a benefactor in Fury/S.H.I.E.L.D. complete with brand new tech which is very similar to what Tom's Peter has going on right now with Tony Stark. Peter's goal in the show, just like in the film, is to stand alongside the great Captain America and Iron Man as an Avenger. The Vulture design, specifically the mask, is taken right from the show (albeit with different coloring).

I think when they speak of Ultimate, they also slyly mean Miles material (Ganke, charter school, Michele being Kate Bishop-ish, etc.) because the only thing I can tell that came from the Peter material is the robbery with the thugs in Avengers masks.

 

[harryoscop]

Exactly. Tom's comments are confusing. There are several we b upgrades taken from that show too.

Introducing thw latest stupid apps that the Stark suit possesses:





This crap better be off the suit by the time the credits roll

 

[PeterBenParker]

Just getting all of this out here in regards to the suit and tech:

They established he was a dumpster diver in Civil War, no? Wasn't he the same dumpster diver that was able to find enough materials (also with equipment from the school's drama class) to make a more genuine suit as opposed to a thrown together hoodie and sweatpants? Didn't he have the wrestling gig in his origin traditionally? Maybe even show business? Just going off the producer's comments on how they didn't change the origin from as we know it.

Going from the Ultimate comics for a moment, Peter actually wrestled quite a few times to get some money for himself. Surely the film that's said to be inspired by those comics could've done the same to explain why Peter had a passable-decent suit when we first meet him (as simple as a line of dialogue). Heck, they even could've went straight Ultimate where the promotion gave him his suit and he simply added the main details.

Then I remember, they needed an excuse to have Tony come in and give him his traditional red and blues so thrown together hoodie and sweatpants is good enough because it works best for their Universe continuity.

On the point of the classic web-shooters, hallelujah about that..except we didn't get to see him showcase 'em as Spider-Man. He webbed Tony's hand to the door and that was it. After that, it was all the Stark suit. Thankfully, Homecoming is showcasing the original web-shooters but in the grand picture it'll be unnecessary to get where we should already be when we first saw the character. I already expressed how I would've gave them more of a bypass had they not thrown in the line of him being Spider-Man for 6 months.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Exactly. Tom's comments are confusing. There are several we b upgrades taken from that show too.

Introducing thw latest stupid apps that the Stark suit possesses:





This crap better be off the suit by the time the credits roll

part of problem is do marvel studios remember spider-man's popularity is due to him being everymanin rami trilogy and the webb films they show peter has lots of problems in his llife.peter in high schoole was more of loner not with people to quip with.spider-man is suspose to quip only when he is fighting or saving people or dealing with others in the suit.his biggest problem in homecoming seems to be stark takes the high tech spider-man suit.now idea stark would lecture anyone on resplonity is crazy.now i didn't rami,web,or spectular spider-man mergzing elements of collage elements
and putting them in high school but homecoming is turning it into something else.

 

[ironwez20]

Exactly. Tom's comments are confusing. There are several we b upgrades taken from that show too.

Introducing thw latest stupid apps that the Stark suit possesses:





This crap better be off the suit by the time the credits roll

Rolled my eyes super hard.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

Uh, except they didn't. He wasn't Otto in name only. Comparing Doc Ock to Ned, Betty, Flash, Sally and "Michelle" and even Adrian Toomes (which is a fair change but still didn't have to connect to Stark) and guess who comes out as infinitely more true to the comics compared to all of those characters? False equivalence imo

I don't see much of a difference between the changes to Otto and to Toomes.

 

[Shikamaru]

Tom's comments on this being like Ultimate is exactly why I don't take the claim seriously anymore. I swear for every Spider-Man adaptation in the last ten years people always swore up and down it's like Ultimate only for all of them to be more like 616 (except for the USM cartoon maybe).

It seems people's standard for something being more Ultimate boils down to "he's in high school" (which is where he started in the Lee/Ditko days) and "it's not cheesy" (which the ASM comics haven't been in decades).

 

[GuestStar2004]

I really don't think he is losing this suit by the end, the suit does alot of the things spider-man does or has in the comics like different webbing abilities and obviously creating an excuse to do the under arm webbing.

There are some things that are done for the cool factor but overall i don't see this suit being introduced and then got rid of.

 

[2kt09]

I swear for every Spider-Man adaptation in the last ten years people always swore up and down it's like Ultimate only for all of them to be more like 616 (except for the USM cartoon maybe).

It seems people's standard for something being more Ultimate boils down to "he's in high school" (which is where he started in the Lee/Ditko days) and "it's not cheesy" (which the ASM comics haven't been in decades).

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

I really don't think he is losing this suit by the end, the suit does alot of the things spider-man does or has in the comics like different webbing abilities and obviously creating an excuse to do the under arm webbing.

There are some things that are done for the cool factor but overall i don't see this suit being introduced and then got rid of.

I could definitely see them "stripping it down to it's core" or something like that, though.

 

[I Am The Knight]

There's supposed to be a sequence where NedGanke hacks the suit with his "gaming skills" so I assume that at the end of the movie Peter will just keep the bare bones suit.

 

[GuestStar2004]

There's supposed to be a sequence where NedGanke hacks the suit with his "gaming skills"

Ehhhhhhhhh.

So is he gonna be the tech guy for Spider-man now?

 

[PeterBenParker]

Ehhhhhhhhh.

So is gonna be the tech guy for Spider-man now?

I wouldn't be surprised. Ganke is/was always Miles go-to guy and since Ganke is in the MCU under Ned's name, I don't see that changing.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

Honestly, that aspect is the most off-putting part to me.

Audiences are smart enough to understand that "gamer" ≠ computer skills/coding/hacking. I really hope that leak/rumor/report/whatever was exaggerated.

 

[harryoscop]

That's definitely the route they're going. Tom said Ned will essentially function as Spider-Man's Alfred

 

[marvelrobbins]

That's definitely the route they're going. Tom said Ned will essentially function as Spider-Man's Alfred

that is terrable.

 

[I Am The Knight]

That's definitely the route they're going. Tom said Ned will essentially function as Spider-Man's Alfred

Yuck.

 

[Golgo-13]

Exactly. Tom's comments are confusing. There are several we b upgrades taken from that show too.

Introducing thw latest stupid apps that the Stark suit possesses:





This crap better be off the suit by the time the credits roll

Great. Now we're going to have his saying "cool", "awesome" "wicked cool" and every combination inbetween for the entire two hour movie.

 

[Dark Raven]

Instead of Spectacular or Amazing Spider-Man, this iteration could've been the Wicked-Cool Spider-Man or Awesome Spider-Man.

 

[Shikamaru]

So any rough ideas on when spoilers are out? I think this is the first time I can think of where I want to be spoiled going in.

The way I'd see it, it's a win-win situation. If my worries are put to ease, I have less anxiety going in. If they're not, I have more mental time to prepare to judge this on its own merits. Granted if I don't know anything going in and the film puts me to ease, the giddiness at the end is a lot stronger...but the frustration can also be a lot higher. Plus I might be so fixated on certain aspects that even if they do a good job with them, I don't focus critically on anything else. So overall, it looks like the pros of getting spoiled outweigh the cons for me.

It does say something about Sony though IMO. It suggests they're the worst marketing studio in modern times.

Let's face it. Would the "skepticism" be anywhere as strong if the marketing was at least impressive? If at least it wasn't so obnoxious?

I mean, it's not the first time I held reservations on a major character going in. Some of the things I noticed early on with BvS and Rises were way more irritating than this. But there was still enough "magic" in the marketing to go in blank-minded. There was something there. Even with the empty corporate shell that is BvS, its trailers at least had a facade of being a bit more than "business".

So far other than Vulture, everything just reeks of "business" in the clips and trailers. They're trying too hard to sell us what looks like a damage control film. And the reason it looks so much that way is because of the marketing in the first place. It's a never-ending loop. I have a hard time believing anyone disagrees with me on this, even if you're the biggest optimist going in.

 

[harryoscop]

Here's some spoilers:http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/25-spider-man-homecoming-spoilers


Although nothing really MAJOR

 

[marvelrobbins]

Here's some spoilers:http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/25-spider-man-homecoming-spoilers


Although nothing really MAJOR

these defently doesn't change my mind at all about homecoming.

 

[harryoscop]

I know those people will be pissed off by those major drastic changes and they're going to try to blame Marvel Studios for it but it's not like they can pick and choose what character & storyline to use without Sony Pictures permission, hence the mix & match-- improvising result.

From the Amy Pascal video

It's not like they can do whatever they want exactly without Sony's permission, and no matter how many times you hear about the creative control excuse, that's just not exactly true. I can't wait to see the fan reactions. Spidey fans will definitely make the internet explode when they find out what's really going on, and I'm banking on that one. That's all I'm allowed to say.

DBS has been on-point with his predictions lately. He's been 100% right about this movie taking a lot of elements from USM & The Daily Bugle idea being thrown around & contemporary... But holy crap, if this is true. If Daily Bugle Spidey is right about this, that's a huge red flag.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Tbh when i look at this movie i see far more confidence with it then i did TASM series which at times looked like Sony couldn't make their minds up what they wanted to do.

So with this movie i can see marvels influence on it and while nothing marvel wanted could be done without Sonys permission i am also sure alot of permission had to be had from marvel also since Sony are playing in the MCU playground now and Marvel already started this with Civil War.

I don't think people want to think bad of marvel and have always wanted to believe that Marvel would make the most accurate film yet... but no i ain't giving marvel a free pass here since i am willing to bet they are just as much on board with how things are turning out.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Here's some spoilers:http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/25-spider-man-homecoming-spoilers

Spoiler

Peter and Flash have an intellectual rivalry

Well ok then.