Homecoming The Spider-Man Skepticism Thread

[X Knight]

All of this

right.

it would be like Clark Kent, before his powers kick in, having a fear of heights or flying.

that's fine.

but once his powers kick in and he discovers he can fly and his powers let him literally defy gravity, that fear should be squashed. Sure, maybe the 1st time he tests out his powers and learns to fly it would be ok to still be afraid.

but not when he's already being doing it for several months.

same with Spidey.

while Spidey can't fly like Superman, his powers give him super human agility, reflexes, balance, and equilibrium. All of those allow him to swing, leap, and crawl all over the city with an ease and freedom far beyond what normal humans can do.

Fear of heights should not factor into that because it's counter to those powers.

They are treating Peter like he's still a normal kid before the powers.

 

[Spider-man95]

Are they really going to address this in the film though? None of the clips have shown him fearing any kind of height?

 

[PeterBenParker]

Are they really going to address this in the film though? None of the clips have shown him fearing any kind of height?

He makes a comment like, "Never been this high up before" and he sounds almost out of breath/scared.

 

[Mysteryman]

He makes a comment like, "Never been this high up before" and he sounds almost out of breath/scared.

That doesn't sound so bad.
what it amounts to is being afraid of doing something that can get you killed.
That may be fear.
But, showing fear is not the same as displaying cowardice.

 

[IAmAsgardian]

I have tried to stay positive over the past few months, even came by here to try and reassure both others and myself.
While I have noticed some troublesome thing about the movie, I didn't let those get to me and was decisive to wait it
out and see the movie for myself. And this morning it hit me, I am more excited to see Baby Driver in a few weeks
than Spider-Man. That's when I realized they are not doing something right. Doesn't necessarily mean they are doing
things wrong, but you can't shake off this feeling of overwhelming safety.
There was a part of one of the trailers where they showed a "training wheels" protocol on the suit, and that is exactly how this feels.
2 sets of training wheels strapped into a bungee cord, just in case.
So many questionable decisions have been confirmed, that the most optimistic mindset going into this will be "pls don't suck", which is sad considering how long everyone's been waiting for this to finally happen.

 

[Shikamaru]

I'll wager that a huge deal of the skepticism comes from Sony rather than Marvel. We know for a fact by now they're selling Tony as having a bigger role in this than he really does. They're basically marketing the film in such way it looks as if all your fears are coming true. Plus there's a lot of marketing. And it's not even impressive marketing since all the trailers besides maybe the first one felt generic. I don't think I've seen such a shareholder-desperate marketing campaign before. Closest thing to this was ASM2's, which says a lot .

It's funny. When the deal was announced I was arguing it was smart of Marvel to let Sony handle marketing costs. I'm not so sure that's true anymore. I would not be surprised if Sony already cost Homecoming tens of millions in money at the BO (I mean, I already talked to a few general audience members who agree the marketing is forced). I feel like after the last two films, Sony should never market anything Spider-Man related again.

 

[YoungBlood]

I'll wager that a huge deal of the skepticism comes from Sony rather than Marvel. We know for a fact by now they're selling Tony as having a bigger role in this than he really does. They're basically marketing the film in such way it looks as if all your fears are coming true. Plus there's a lot of marketing. And it's not even impressive marketing since all the trailers besides maybe the first one felt generic. I don't think I've seen such a shareholder-desperate marketing campaign before. Closest thing to this was ASM2's, which says a lot .

It's funny. When the deal was announced I was arguing it was smart of Marvel to let Sony handle marketing costs. I'm not so sure that's true anymore. I would not be surprised if Sony already cost Homecoming tens of millions in money at the BO (I mean, I already talked to a few general audience members who agree the marketing is forced). I feel like after the last two films, Sony should never market anything Spider-Man related again.

All that is missing from the marketing is "His Greatest Battle/Journey Begins".

 

[Spider-man95]

He makes a comment like, "Never been this high up before" and he sounds almost out of breath/scared.

Ah yes I remember that line, doesn't seem so bad. I agree with Mysteryman.

 

[Shikamaru]

All that is missing from the marketing is "His Greatest Battle/Journey Begins".

Hey, calling it "The Untold Story" makes sense this time.

 

[The Shape]

I'll wager that a huge deal of the skepticism comes from Sony rather than Marvel. We know for a fact by now they're selling Tony as having a bigger role in this than he really does. They're basically marketing the film in such way it looks as if all your fears are coming true. Plus there's a lot of marketing. And it's not even impressive marketing since all the trailers besides maybe the first one felt generic. I don't think I've seen such a shareholder-desperate marketing campaign before. Closest thing to this was ASM2's, which says a lot .

It's funny. When the deal was announced I was arguing it was smart of Marvel to let Sony handle marketing costs. I'm not so sure that's true anymore. I would not be surprised if Sony already cost Homecoming tens of millions in money at the BO (I mean, I already talked to a few general audience members who agree the marketing is forced). I feel like after the last two films, Sony should never market anything Spider-Man related again.

For me, the skepticism comes not only from Sony's involvement and the marketing thus far, but the content of the marking and the subject matter of the film. There's a solid chance I'll be 100% wrong and I'm sure the reviews will somehow be stellar, as per usual with the MCU, but this just does not look like it's going to be a great, impressive, or unique film.

I've been getting this weird vibe from what I've seen so far -- equal parts of "been there/done that", "desperate cash grab", "generic MCU movie". Even the aspect I'm most excited and least skeptical about -- Keaton as the Vulture -- hasn't seemed all that exciting from the marketing thus far. I don't think Sony can take the sole blame for how many people seem to be reacting to this film.

Also, to give credit where credit is due, Sony is responsible for some of the best CBM marketing of all time with the Raimi trilogy. Each of those films (even ****** Spider-man 3) had absolutely epic trailers and posters that are still memorable to this day and helped turn those films into must-see events. I know we're in a different era of CBMs now and things have changed, but I thought that was worth mentioning.

 

[marvelrobbins]

here is the thing.trailers have to work with what was filmed.now sony has bad tendact to get people to see film to practuly show entire film in clips,trailers,and ads.

if rothman was was micromanaging like he did from ff in 2005-origins in 2009
that explains everything.however reports had been marvel had creative
control over film.that is why avi arad and his producing partner are meaningless executive producers instead of producers here.

now of course sony wants everyone to know stark is in film.the problem is
what is happening in those scenes and fact stark seems to have influence
even when not onscreen.like tradional spider-man outfit being iron man like outfit with ai and gizmos with it.add to that vulture seems to be more upset with stark than being pure spider-man villain.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

For me, the skepticism comes not only from Sony's involvement and the marketing thus far, but the content of the marking and the subject matter of the film. There's a solid chance I'll be 100% wrong and I'm sure the reviews will somehow be stellar, as per usual with the MCU, but this just does not look like it's going to be a great, impressive, or unique film.

I've been getting this weird vibe from what I've seen so far -- equal parts of "been there/done that", "desperate cash grab", "generic MCU movie". Even the aspect I'm most excited and least skeptical about -- Keaton as the Vulture -- hasn't seemed all that exciting from the marketing thus far. I don't think Sony can take the sole blame for how many people seem to be reacting to this film.

Also, to give credit where credit is due, Sony is responsible for some of the best CBM marketing of all time with the Raimi trilogy. Each of those films (even ****** Spider-man 3) had absolutely epic trailers and posters that are still memorable to this day and helped turn those films into must-see events. I know we're in a different era of CBMs now and things have changed, but I thought that was worth mentioning.

One heck of a comment I can get behind here.

The trailer for Spider-Man 3 is still the best I've seen.

 

[Shikamaru]

For me, the skepticism comes not only from Sony's involvement and the marketing thus far, but the content of the marking and the subject matter of the film. There's a solid chance I'll be 100% wrong and I'm sure the reviews will somehow be stellar, as per usual with the MCU, but this just does not look like it's going to be a great, impressive, or unique film.

I've been getting this weird vibe from what I've seen so far -- equal parts of "been there/done that", "desperate cash grab", "generic MCU movie". Even the aspect I'm most excited and least skeptical about -- Keaton as the Vulture -- hasn't seemed all that exciting from the marketing thus far. I don't think Sony can take the sole blame for how many people seem to be reacting to this film.

Also, to give credit where credit is due, Sony is responsible for some of the best CBM marketing of all time with the Raimi trilogy. Each of those films (even ****** Spider-man 3) had absolutely epic trailers and posters that are still memorable to this day and helped turn those films into must-see events. I know we're in a different era of CBMs now and things have changed, but I thought that was worth mentioning.

There's definitely content to be skeptical about, but the marketing makes it eight times worse. I don't think it would feel as much of a "been there/done that" / "desperate cash grab" / "generic" MCU movie" if the marketing was different.

I doubt it would be to the point we're not having these discussions, but I imagine there'd be less frustration / bitterness.

 

[I Am The Knight]

One heck of a comment I can get behind here.

The trailer for Spider-Man 3 is still the best I've seen.

My favorite trailer is probably the one for SM2, and I think that all Spidey films have had great trailers (altough I did not care that much for the last SM3 trailer). Now we have this film, and while I liked the two trailers that I've seen, there is something missing. I hope I'm wrong and the film is awesome, because if this film doesn't work it is kind of going to break my heart

 

[-Arya-]

I haven't seen a Spider-man film in 10 years and really wanted to get on board with this one. It's just...I don't know guys. Tom Holland is just grating as Peter Parker and I'm really not digging the enhancements given to him by Tony. Plus one of the trailers basically laid out the entire plot. *sigh*

 

[harryoscop]

New poster!!

 

[brandeezy89]

Idk, I have a feeling Peter is going to spend the majority of the movie complaining that he's not an Avenger and why doesn't Tony trust him. The main thing putting me off is the Tech Suit and Tony telling him what to do and how to be a hero when he's been one for nearly a year before Civil War. Tony is either going to be in the movie more than he should be or barely in the movie unlike what the trailers/tv spots are suggesting.

I just wanted a SM who has fun being a Superhero and learns from his own mistakes along the way instead of the opposite.

 

[-Arya-]

Idk, I have a feeling Peter is going to spend the majority of the movie complaining that he's not an Avenger and why doesn't Tony trust him. The main thing putting me off is the Tech Suit and Tony telling him what to do and how to be a hero when he's been one for nearly a year before Civil War. Tony is either going to be in the movie more than he should be or barely in the movie unlike what the trailers/tv spots are suggesting.

I just wanted a SM who has fun being a Superhero and learns from his own mistakes along the way instead of the opposite.

Based on the trailers, his whole motivation seems to be "when am I going to be an Avenger?". I don't like it to be honest.

 

[Dark Raven]

I haven't seen a Spider-man film in 10 years and really wanted to get on board with this one. It's just...I don't know guys. Tom Holland is just grating as Peter Parker and I'm really not digging the enhancements given to him by Tony. Plus one of the trailers basically laid out the entire plot. *sigh*

What if Peter has cybernetic enhancements instead so that Tony can control him remotely and do the web swinging for him even if Peter is not conscious? Tony could fight Peter's battles for him and defeat Vulture that way without actually having to suit up as Iron Man.

 

[brandeezy89]

Based on the trailers, his whole motivation seems to be "when am I going to be an Avenger?". I don't like it to be honest.

Yeah, instead of being like "These guys have tech that can destroy the city, i have to find a way to stop them"

He's like "These guys have crazy dangerous tech, i will stop them so i can show Mr. Stark that i can be an Avenger".

Then what happens when he becomes an Avenger? What will be his motivation, trying to become the leader of the Avengers?

 

[-Arya-]

Yeah, instead of being like "These guys have tech that can destroy the city, i have to find a way to stop them"

He's like "These guys have crazy dangerous tech, i will stop them so i can show Mr. Stark that i can be an Avenger".

Then what happens when he becomes an Avenger? What will be his motivation, trying to become the leader of the Avengers?

I hope it's a red herring or something because this completely undermines Spider-Man as a hero.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Yeah, instead of being like "These guys have tech that can destroy the city, i have to find a way to stop them"

He's like "These guys have crazy dangerous tech, i will stop them so i can show Mr. Stark that i can be an Avenger".

Then what happens when he becomes an Avenger? What will be his motivation,

To become Robin to Stark's Batman

 

[PeterBenParker]

When the film comes out and if Peter is better then the trailers let on, I'll be more annoyed with the marketing than anything else.

However, there's some stuff from the Disney XD special that has me thinking he's still going to be..grating.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Spoiler

"I got to stop him."
"But we have a Spanish quiz!"
"Ned, do you really think The Avengers care about a Spanish quiz?"

 

[Cosroo]

Yeah, instead of being like "These guys have tech that can destroy the city, i have to find a way to stop them"

He's like "These guys have crazy dangerous tech, i will stop them so i can show Mr. Stark that i can be an Avenger".

Then what happens when he becomes an Avenger? What will be his motivation, trying to become the leader of the Avengers?

I defend and criticize this film.

In one way, you're correct, that is completely wrong, but I think that is exactly the point they're going for. Peter isn't thinking what happens when he becomes an Avenger, he's just a kid lost in the moment, wanting to be part of the group. Is that something the Peter Parker we know and love would really want or do, I'm not sure. This version however, does.

Even though I disagree with it, if you really think about it, if you WERE 15, and was Spider-Man, and the Avengers existed, the only thing you would want to be... is an Avenger. You would probably want to always try to impress somebody like Tony Stark because y'know... he's freaking Iron Man. I understand where Marvel/Sony are going with it, it's just coming across as slightly annoying.

That made me think though, if the roles were reversed, and Spidey was always trying to impress Captain America, would you guys still have a problem with that?