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The Superhero Cinematic Civil War of Tomorrow Thread - Part 62

Do you guys like Star Trek lore or Star Wars lore more?

Star Wars really. Just the way they expanded the universe beyond the movies, things get really interesting. Make no doubt, I love Star Trek. But Star Wars has been able to move beyond the main characters from the movies in a lot of different formats that has been to its benefit.
 
Yeeeeeeah.

We are cooked, Disney are cowards and Project 2025 is steadily taking shape.

That’s really screwed up what happened with Kimmel.
Nexstar (ABC broadcaster) like Paramount (Ellison family) is trying to buy up its competitors and Trump is directly controlling commerce and acquisitions not for the public interest but his own personal interest just like Orban, Xi, and Putin.

Speaking of which Ellison is trying to buy and run Tiktok now in addition to Warner Bros..
At this rate, we’re practically headed for some version of the corporate dystopia depicted in Alien: Earth and I f**king hate it.
 
Star Wars really. Just the way they expanded the universe beyond the movies, things get really interesting. Make no doubt, I love Star Trek. But Star Wars has been able to move beyond the main characters from the movies in a lot of different formats that has been to its benefit.
Your feelings on Palpatine creating the Empire to prepare them of an invasion from the Outer Rim?
 
I blame @titansupes for this! :argh:

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Do you guys like Star Trek lore or Star Wars lore more?
I'll always be a Star Wars guy even though the franchise has mostly exhausted me for the better part of the last decade but I do like Star Trek, though my main familiarity with it was through Wrath of Khan and the Abrams movies and whatever Original Series and Next Generation references I've seen in various other shows throughout the years.
 
For me growing up, I liked the OT of Star Wars and the Trek movies were 50/50 on like to dislike. Never engaged with the Trek shows or the EU of Star Wars. I followed the live action shows and newer Star Wars media until Ahsoka, and haven't been interested since. So growing up, I liked SW the OT more. But I would be more interested watching Next Gen than any non Andor Star Wars series or movie as of right now
 
Superman III (1983)

No ambiguity here - definitely my first time seeing this :yay:

A cursory search online reveals that CBM fans don't have much respect for this film, with many calling it one of the worst superhero sequels ever made! While I wouldn't personally go that far, I do concede that the drop in quality between the second and third films is considerable; it would appear there was much more of Richard Donner in Superman II than Richard Lester. Or perhaps we can attribute the drop in quality to someone whose name wasn't Richard...

In his Superman III review, Roger Ebert said, "The running gag about the hero’s double identity isn’t really exploited this time." Umm Roger, did we not see the same film? This second sequel takes the theme of duality to its logical conclusion, by not just exploring the pitfalls and concessions necessary to maintain a secret identity, but by literally separating Superman into two distinct personas! I asked rhetorically in my review for the second film what would happen if Superman decided one day to start exploring his base instincts, instead of rigidly adhering to the moral conditioning of his upbringing (and make no mistake friends, conditioned he was as an alien taught to mimic human behaviours and emotions). And the answer Superman III provides is, not much...

After being exposed to synthetic Kryptonite with a key element substituted, Superman becomes corrupted by the unnatural compound and starts to turn evil. Or does he? Does the synthetic Kryptonite really change Superman or does it merely suppress his Ego, allowing Superman's Id to reveal his true potential for anarchy and callousness? Yet instead of exploring the implications of a super-powered alien deciding to pursue his own self-interests, despite being conditioned to love and protect us, how do the producers choose to depict a chillingly fascist Superman? They have him straighten the Leaning Tower of Pisa and covertly blow out the Olympic Flame?? Get drunk at a bar?? Can Superman even get drunk?? Seriously, this was the extent of their inspiration?? Sure the 'evil' Superman also causes an oil spill but that was a request fulfilled so he can sleep with Lorelei, and proves easy enough to 'fix' later in the film. Speaking of Lorelei, my favourite line in the film comes when Superman tells her, "don't ask me to save you because I don't do that anymore." So what exactly does 'bad' Superman do all day? Fly around stealing candy from kids and causing other benign naughtiness? Whatever the case may be, this **** is funny...

Once again, the depictions of women in the film strongly suggest, if not downright misogyny, then a certain patronization on the part of Lester and the Newmans. To be honest though, the men don't fare much better here, either. Ross Webster, functioning as a second-rate Lex-Lite (because Gene Hackman presumably had better things to do) barely registers, and the constant ridiculing of his sister Vera's implied undesirability becomes progressively more distasteful as the movie lumbers on. This was my first-ever exposure to Richard Pryor, and while clearly a gifted physical comedian, even he couldn't add much of a pulse to the proceedings. And don't even get me started on Lois, who doesn't have more than two minutes of screentime in the entire film. Reportedly, Margot Kidder clashed so bitterly with the producers over Lois' portrayal in the second film that she was essentially written out of the third. Apparently she felt her depiction wasn't providing a strong role model for little girls who were fans of the movies. The nerve of her!!

Margot's replacement in the film sadly provides a watered-down alterative, completely devoid of the salty broth that made Lois so indelible in the first two films (admittedly less so in the second movie). As Lana, Annette O'Toole brings a certain sweetness and vulnerability to the role, but as a foil to our hero, she ain't no Kidder (who was?). However, one scene involving Lana and 'evil' Clark fascinated me. Just after 'turning', a clearly uncomfortably Lana asks Superman to leave her house, but he initially refuses, a very predatory demeanor overtaking him. He comes to his senses eventually, but was the implication that this version of Superman just might be capable of sexual abuse? Would an alien understand the human aspect of 'consent'? Later in the film, Superman willingly takes advantage of Lorelei's sexual offer, but wait! Didn't the second film strongly suggest that Superman cannot have sex with a human in his powered state? Are we to assume that Clark's base alien instinct is so twisted that he would risk murdering a human, just to satisfy his carnal urges?

At first the fight between a split Superman and Clark in the junkyard made me groan, but the disappearance of the 'bad' Superman at the end made me realize that the battle was ideological and not physical, which is right. Having thought about the film holistically since watching it, I do believe that Superman III respects the Superman mythos - at least the one established in this franchise - more than it disrespects it. I can definitely sympathize with fan complaints: gone is all sense of wonder and recognizable human emotion this time around. The effects are much shoddier in this latest sequel, and there's nothing as compelling as the “Can You Read My Mind” romantic sequence from the first film or the Fortress of Solitude seduction scene from the second. Superman III is compromised (fatally, if we're being honest here) by a director more interested in slapstick than reverence (though that might be a classic example of 'skill versus will' on Lester's part). Having said all that, I can't completely discount the film because it's a SUPERMAN MOVIE STARRING CHRISTOPHER REEVE! We only got what, like four of them (not counting the Director's Cuts and Special Editions of course)? And we'll sadly never get another one so this fact is enough to justify Superman III's existence. It's a shame the film isn't better - it's the most comic booky Superman movie yet! And as sucky as it is, I've read that Superman IV: The Quest for Peace is even worse!

I've come this far - may as well make it all the way to the bitter end :oldrazz:


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I'll always be a Star Wars guy even though the franchise has mostly exhausted me for the better part of the last decade but I do like Star Trek, though my main familiarity with it was through Wrath of Khan and the Abrams movies and whatever Original Series and Next Generation references I've seen in various other shows throughout the years.

I know enough about Star Trek to have a polite conversation with some fellow nerds but can’t go too deep. But man I really gotta sit down and finish watching the Original Series one day, it was my jam. Then I cherry pick from the other spinoffs over the years.

And I always liked her:
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Seven of Nine was cool. :o
 
I know enough about Star Trek to have a polite conversation with some fellow nerds but can’t go too deep. But man I really gotta sit down and finish watching the Original Series one day, it was my jam. Then I cherry pick from the other spinoffs over the years.

And I always liked her:
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Seven of Nine was cool. :o
Same. I've followed enough nerd circles in my time that I can name all of the pre-2010s Star Trek captains off the top of my head without looking them up but I've just never fallen that deep into the lore.
 
Superman III (1983)

No ambiguity here - definitely my first time seeing this :yay:

A cursory search online reveals that CBM fans don't have much respect for this film, with many calling it one of the worst superhero sequels ever made! While I wouldn't personally go that far, I do concede that the drop in quality between the second and third films is considerable; it would appear there was much more of Richard Donner in Superman II than Richard Lester. Or perhaps we can attribute the drop in quality to someone whose name wasn't Richard...

In his Superman III review, Roger Ebert said, "The running gag about the hero’s double identity isn’t really exploited this time." Umm Roger, did we not see the same film? This second sequel takes the theme of duality to its logical conclusion, by not just exploring the pitfalls and concessions necessary to maintain a secret identity, but by literally separating Superman into two distinct personas! I asked rhetorically in my review for the second film what would happen if Superman decided one day to start exploring his base instincts, instead of rigidly adhering to the moral conditioning of his upbringing (and make no mistake friends, conditioned he was as an alien taught to mimic human behaviours and emotions). And the answer Superman III provides is, not much...

After being exposed to synthetic Kryptonite with a key element substituted, Superman becomes corrupted by the unnatural compound and starts to turn evil. Or does he? Does the synthetic Kryptonite really change Superman or does it merely suppress his Ego, allowing Superman's Id to reveal his true potential for anarchy and callousness? Yet instead of exploring the implications of a super-powered alien deciding to pursue his own self-interests, despite being conditioned to love and protect us, how do the producers choose to depict a chillingly fascist Superman? They have him straighten the Leaning Tower of Pisa and covertly blow out the Olympic Flame?? Get drunk at a bar?? Can Superman even get drunk?? Seriously, this was the extent of their inspiration?? Sure the 'evil' Superman also causes an oil spill but that was a request fulfilled so he can sleep with Lorelei, and proves easy enough to 'fix' later in the film. Speaking of Lorelei, my favourite line in the film comes when Superman tells her, "don't ask me to save you because I don't do that anymore." So what exactly does 'bad' Superman do all day? Fly around stealing candy from kids and causing other benign naughtiness? Whatever the case may be, this **** is funny...

Once again, the depictions of women in the film strongly suggest, if not downright misogyny, then a certain patronization on the part of Lester and the Newmans. To be honest though, the men don't fare much better here, either. Ross Webster, functioning as a second-rate Lex-Lite (because Gene Hackman presumably had better things to do) barely registers, and the constant ridiculing of his sister Vera's implied undesirability becomes progressively more distasteful as the movie lumbers on. This was my first-ever exposure to Richard Pryor, and while clearly a gifted physical comedian, even he couldn't add much of a pulse to the proceedings. And don't even get me started on Lois, who doesn't have more than two minutes of screentime in the entire film. Reportedly, Margot Kidder clashed so bitterly with the producers over Lois' portrayal in the second film that she was essentially written out of the third. Apparently she felt her depiction wasn't providing a strong role model for little girls who were fans of the movies. The nerve of her!!

Margot's replacement in the film sadly provides a watered-down alterative, completely devoid of the salty broth that made Lois so indelible in the first two films (admittedly less so in the second movie). As Lana, Annette O'Toole brings a certain sweetness and vulnerability to the role, but as a foil to our hero, she ain't no Kidder (who was?). However, one scene involving Lana and 'evil' Clark fascinated me. Just after 'turning', a clearly uncomfortably Lana asks Superman to leave her house, but he initially refuses, a very predatory demeanor overtaking him. He comes to his senses eventually, but was the implication that this version of Superman just might be capable of sexual abuse? Would an alien understand the human aspect of 'consent'? Later in the film, Superman willingly takes advantage of Lorelei's sexual offer, but wait! Didn't the second film strongly suggest that Superman cannot have sex with a human in his powered state? Are we to assume that Clark's base alien instinct is so twisted that he would risk murdering a human, just to satisfy his carnal urges?

At first the fight between a split Superman and Clark in the junkyard made me groan, but the disappearance of the 'bad' Superman at the end made me realize that the battle was ideological and not physical, which is right. Having thought about the film holistically since watching it, I do believe that Superman III respects the Superman mythos - at least the one established in this franchise - more than it disrespects it. I can definitely sympathize with fan complaints: gone is all sense of wonder and recognizable human emotion this time around. The effects are much shoddier in this latest sequel, and there's nothing as compelling as the “Can You Read My Mind” romantic sequence from the first film or the Fortress of Solitude seduction scene from the second. Superman III is compromised (fatally, if we're being honest here) by a director more interested in slapstick than reverence (though that might be a classic example of 'skill versus will' on Lester's part). Having said all that, I can't completely discount the film because it's a SUPERMAN MOVIE STARRING CHRISTOPHER REEVE! We only got what, like four of them (not counting the Director's Cuts and Special Editions of course)? And we'll sadly never get another one so this fact is enough to justify Superman III's existence. It's a shame the film isn't better - it's the most comic booky Superman movie yet! And as sucky as it is, I've read that Superman IV: The Quest for Peace is even worse!

I've come this far - may as well make it all the way to the bitter end :oldrazz:


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For what it is worth, I actually like Superman IV more than Superman III. But only inasmuch as it isn’t even trying to be a good film as opposed to one that tries and fails.

I will also say that Superman IV has what I would consider would have to be one movie prop that I would love to have. A need this newspaper:

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This is why I don't get worked up about viewership numbers. Everyone said they were a disaster, but here we are...it's getting a 3rd season it appears. Like I said ages ago, we don't know what Marvel 's targets are for these shows and what will tell us if they're happy is do they make more. Clearly, Marvel must be happy
 
Season 3 will probably be the final one and im PREDICTING its going to be heavily Defenders focused. I think that will be sort of the end of the “Mayor Kingpin” trilogy with Daredevil and his New Defenders taking him down.
 

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