The Superhero Cinematic Civil War: The SUMC Was In The Amazon With My Mom Studying Spiders Right Before It Died - Part 61

[Kane52630]

Now I feel like ranking...

Grade A

Daredevil S1
Jessica Jones S1
Luke Cage S1
Daredevil S3

Grade B

Daredevil S2
Luke Cage S2
The Defenders S1
Jessica Jones S2


Grade C/F

The Punisher S1
Iron Fist S2
Iron Fist S1
The Punisher S2
Jessica Jones S3

 

[BoredGuy]

I'd move Luke Cage and DD S3 down to a B, and Jess Jones S2 down to a C

 

[Kane52630]

Also... besides Jessica Henwick, I can't ever truly hate on Iron Fist season 1.

 

[Batgirl0202]

Deadpool & Wolverine

First time watching this from home...

This film fascinates me. I can't remember the last time I watched something with this much built-in obsolescence. I can only imagine some kid discovering this buried in Disney Plus twenty years from now - if the world as we know it still even exists of course - and scratching their head with bewilderment. Who was Jennifer Garner married to? Why was Marvel never able to get another Blade movie off the ground? Why was Channing Tatum so gung-ho to play Gambit? Why did Wesley Snipes hate Ryan Reynolds? Why did so many actors end up playing The Punisher? And why the **** should I even care?? The movie is so reliant on one's knowledge of TMZ-style gossip-mongering it's wrong to state that it's of-the-moment; Deadpool & Wolverine plays like one of those commemorative Very Special Episodes long-running past-their-prime TV shows used to spit out to remind viewers why they cared in the first place...

I read all the think pieces about this film online - "The MCU is BACK, baby!!" - but no, it plays more like an epitaph for that brief period in history when CBMs were the toast of Hollywood and the absolute epicenter of pop-culture...

A quick word about Hugh Jackman. it occurred to me while watching this again how singular his performance as Logan really is. While everyone else around him clearly understands how ridiculous this film is, Hugh emotes like he's playing the on-stage lead in some Shakespearean tragedy, bless him. While I'm sure plenty of other younger actors could nail Wolverine's ferocity - Jack O'Connell springs immediately to mind - matching the haunted, tortured quality Hugh brings to the character may prove much harder to replicate...

Not that it matters of course. Jackman will be playing this role until everyone reading this is dust in our graves, if Disney has anything to say about it...

Anyway, for the record, I was lukewarm on this film when I saw it in theatres last summer but I enjoyed it much more on streaming. At the end of the day, for all its wise-cracking and smarminess, Deadpool/Wolverine is about growing old, losing significance, and being lost to the trash heap of time. It's actually more touching than I remember the first time around. Who knows, perhaps the film's creators are actually more clever than I initially gave then credit for...

 

[Pennywise]

 

[KBX]

Someone needs to get a list of who is in Doomsday and who is out of it

 

[Drizzle]

So the plan is to bench one of the most popular and prominent "New" Avengers for an entire movie. Makes sense to me.

 

[Iceman]

Seems like a dumb decision, (maybe needed for story reasons) but thought he'd get at least a small appearance. They need their big players after all these years of excitement for the MCU floundering.

 

[Kane52630]

Someone needs to get a list of who is in Doomsday and who is out of it

Who's in Doomsday:

Doctor Doom
Spider-Man
Mister Fantastic
Scott Pilgrim
Mighty Mouse
Wonder Twins
Wally West
Catdog
Angelica Pickles
Red Herring
Michigan J. Frog
Kevin McCallister
Walter White
Mr. Robot
The Iron Giant
J Robert Oppenheimer
The Dude

Spoiler

Robert Downey, Jr. as Victor von Doom/Doctor Doom[1]
Tom Holland as Peter Parker/Spider-Man[6]
Pedro Pascal as Reed Richards/Mister Fantastic[7]
Vanessa Kirby as Sue Storm/Invisible Woman[7]
Ebon Moss-Bachrach as Ben Grimm/Thing[7]
Joseph Quinn as Johnny Storm/Human Torch[7]
Sebastian Stan as Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier[8]
Florence Pugh as Yelena Belova[8]
Wyatt Russell as John Walker/U.S. Agent[8]
David Harbour as Alexei Shostakov/Red Guardian[8]
Anthony Mackie as Sam Wilson/Captain America[9]
Hayley Atwell as Peggy Carter[10]
Chris Evans as a to-be-confirmed-character[11]

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Pennywise]

So the plan is to bench one of the most popular and prominent "New" Avengers for an entire movie. Makes sense to me.

Sure surprised me too!

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Did Strange ever officially join The Avengers? The Avengers hasn't even been a thing since Endgame. The group was largely disbanded after Thanos was defeated.

I have no problem with Strange sitting one movie out if he is going to play a big time role in the next one. You are likely going to see a juggling act when it comes to the large cast. Look at Infinity War and Endgame.

 

[Venom 1988]

I said this in another thread but if they are already taking a bunch of inspiration from Hickman's run, I wouldn't be surprised Strange's role is another thing. While all the Avengers were busy were busy, he was off on his own going to different dimensions trying to figure out the source of the incursions and eventually teamed up with Doom. Then later in Secret Wars he was basically Doom's right hand and was the only person besides Doom who know life before Battleworld.

Now will things play out exactly like that? No but given Strange left with Clea, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what he's been doing this whole time.

 

[Spider-Fan]

People over here crying about Karen and Foggy, but I’m over here praying to see her resurrected in some way.

So much they could do with Elektra.

Elektra is probably not going to be in this season. Maybe in a future one.

 

[Spider-Fan]

So the plan is to bench one of the most popular and prominent "New" Avengers for an entire movie. Makes sense to me.

He will be in Secret Wars. It will be fine

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Drizzle]

Did Strange ever officially join The Avengers? The Avengers hasn't even been a thing since Endgame. The group was largely disbanded after Thanos was defeated.

Even though there isn't an official team in the MCU as of right now I still loop the major players from IW/Endgame as honorary Avengers like Strange, Bucky, Carol, etc. I think a lot of people do since it's just easier to group the teams. Avengers, X-Men, Guardians of the Galaxy, Fantastic Four, etc.

He will be in Secret Wars. It will be fine

I guess but his absence will be more noticeable in Doomsday than, say, Hawkeye's was in Infinity War. Strange has been a major player in the MCU for a while now and it's an odd move for him to not be included in an Avengers movie at all after how much of a hit Multiverse of Madness was.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I fully expect a juggling act with characters in these two Avengers movies. Some characters will sit out Doomdsay, only to come in for Secret Wars to play a big role. Characters who play a big role in Doomsday probably won't be around much for Secret Wars until maybe the third act climax.

I think Strange is going to be central to Secret Wars, so it likely makes sense to take him off the board for Doomsday. Especially if he is going to be important in defeating Doom and restoring/rebooting the MCU to its new status quo post-SW.

 

[squeekness]

He's good in everything, lol.

 

[Sithborg]

So the plan is to bench one of the most popular and prominent "New" Avengers for an entire movie. Makes sense to me.

They have to make budget cuts on the cast somewhere. Seriously the cast alone is going to cost more than most blockbusters.

People over here crying about Karen and Foggy, but I’m over here praying to see her resurrected in some way.

So much they could do with Elektra.

I respect people still like Elodie Yung. But I've seen some of her other work, and seen her accent absolutely butcher some lines, and I can't take her seriously anymore.

Also, I'm one of the ones who loved JJ S3. Of course, I also came around to really enjoying S2 by the end.

 

[Lily Adler]

They have to make budget cuts on the cast somewhere. Seriously the cast alone is going to cost more than most blockbusters.



I respect people still like Elodie Yung. But I've seen some of her other work, and seen her accent absolutely butcher some lines, and I can't take her seriously anymore.

Also, I'm one of the ones who loved JJ S3. Of course, I also came around to really enjoying S2 by the end.

No wonder she was the other choice for Wonder Woman.

 

[Drizzle]

They have to make budget cuts on the cast somewhere. Seriously the cast alone is going to cost more than most blockbusters.

Cumberbatch's salary for Doomsday will instead be entirely devoted to RDJ's trailer caravan and private plane.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Count me in on Jessica Jones S3. I thought it was quite good

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Now I feel like ranking...

Grade A

Daredevil S1
Jessica Jones S1
Luke Cage S1
Daredevil S3

Grade B

Daredevil S2
Luke Cage S2
The Defenders S1
Jessica Jones S2


Grade C/F

The Punisher S1
Iron Fist S2
Iron Fist S1
The Punisher S2
Jessica Jones S3

I would just switch Luke Cage Season 2 and 1 in their respective Grades, but other than that I agree.

Who's in Doomsday:

Doctor Doom
Spider-Man
Mister Fantastic
Scott Pilgrim
Mighty Mouse
Wonder Twins
Wally West
Catdog
Angelica Pickles
Red Herring
Michigan J. Frog
Kevin McCallister
Walter White
Mr. Robot
The Iron Giant
J Robert Oppenheimer
The Dude

Spoiler

Robert Downey, Jr. as Victor von Doom/Doctor Doom[1]
Tom Holland as Peter Parker/Spider-Man[6]
Pedro Pascal as Reed Richards/Mister Fantastic[7]
Vanessa Kirby as Sue Storm/Invisible Woman[7]
Ebon Moss-Bachrach as Ben Grimm/Thing[7]
Joseph Quinn as Johnny Storm/Human Torch[7]
Sebastian Stan as Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier[8]
Florence Pugh as Yelena Belova[8]
Wyatt Russell as John Walker/U.S. Agent[8]
David Harbour as Alexei Shostakov/Red Guardian[8]
Anthony Mackie as Sam Wilson/Captain America[9]
Hayley Atwell as Peggy Carter[10]
Chris Evans as a to-be-confirmed-character[11]

And let me guess, homeboy shows up in the stinger:

 

[squeekness]

If there was a third season of Jessica Jones I must have watched it, but I have no memory of it at all.