Comics The Wolverine thread

[Vic Von Doom]

I hear there is some big surprise ending to the latest issue of Wolverine, someone wanna spoil it for me?

 

[weatherwitch]

I hear there is some big surprise ending to the latest issue of Wolverine, someone wanna spoil it for me?

Wolverine is really an alien who is invulnerable, superhuman, super intelligent, dynamite in the sack and can do no wrong evah!

 

[foxx5]

Wolverine is really an alien who is invulnerable, superhuman, super intelligent, dynamite in the sack and can do no wrong evah!

but we already knew that

 

[Bullseye]

No matter what anyone says. Wolverine is still the coolest X-Man.

 

[Vic Von Doom]

Wolverine is really an alien who is invulnerable, superhuman, super intelligent, dynamite in the sack and can do no wrong evah!

Yeah, thanks. But for real, though? Anyone?

 

[dasNdanger]

Yeah, thanks. But for real, though? Anyone?

Revelations in Origins #5:

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Wolverine's son by Itsu lives, and has (supposedly) grown up to hate his father. He has been used, not in control of his own mind, just like Logan. Logan recalls all he has done, and realizes that he is an animal afterall. He hands the Muramasa (sp?) blade over to Cyclops, saying that to save his son (who he would surely have to use the blade against), he has to go back to them, and they will brainwash him again, and if that happens, he can't live with himself, so Cyke must kill him with the Blade. After Emma warns Logan that his son hates him, Logan says, 'So do I', or something to that effect.

hope that helps

das

 

[Nathan]

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he has to go back to them, and they will brainwash him again, and if that happens, he can't live with himself, so Cyke must kill him with the Blade.

What the hell? Getting turned into a skeleton didn't kill him, but a blade is supposed to do the trick?

 

[dasNdanger]

So it seems.

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The Blade is special...it can take down even him, since it was created from him. I can't remember exactly how it's said in the comics, but something about the blade severing on a molecular level, or something. I'll look it up when I get home. So...I'm really wondering about this blade now - there are more thoughts of mine about this in the main Marvel comics thread...

Keep something in mind about the comics, and Wolverine's healing factor. This is all just Legend...writers creating Legends, just like the ancients created Zeus and Apollo. Characters evolve, get more powerful - sometimes outrageously so...but that's due them, since they are Legend. Oh, and they are also comic book characters, which means that any reader who dares to pick up an issue must be ready to suspend his disbelief. If people can't, don't bother reading fantasy.

das

 

[Nathan]

Oh, and they are also comic book characters, which means that any reader who dares to pick up an issue must be ready to suspend his disbelief. If people can't, don't bother reading fantasy.

das

No ****, really? You know I always used to complain about things like Spider-Man being able to stick to walls whenever I picked a issue up.

Suspension of disbelief is one thing, but setting up rules like Wolverine is supposed to die if he loses all vital organs, most of his tissue or blood and not sticking to it is another thing. That's like Batman as a mere human, suddenly manages to knock Supes teeth in without a Kryptonite Ring. But hey, it's all suspension of disbelief, so it's fine.

 

[dasNdanger]

Well, the characters always change - nothing is ever set in stone. When the 'rules' were written, they were based on past stories. Eventually those 'rules' will change as the character continues to evolve. Nothing stays the same...ever.

And I'd be thrilled to see anyone knock Supes teeth out - I really hate that guy... (personal opinion...no need to bash me for it)

das

 

[Nathan]

Even if his powers evolved, they have to make some sort of sense. Comic or not.

Let's say Wolverine can now survive with all his vital organs damage or ripped out. But then at least let some tissue left to regenerate from. Because if you're just a adamatium coated skeleton and the rest of your flesh has been vapourized, then there's nothing left to regenerate from. Unless you've made a pakt with the devil.

 

[dasNdanger]

Unless you've made a pakt with the devil.

There ya go!!

I don't bother trying to figure it out - which is rather amazing, since I tend to be over-analytical. I just accept it - like I accept folks can fly, and shoot lazers out of their eyes, and all of that. I guess HOW he heals isn't as important to me as the fact that he CAN heal. What I prefer to focus on is his inner conflict - that seems to be something that can never heal...and I love the vulnerability that it brings to the character. Even as cocky ol' Patch he still had those inner angsty moments, and I loved it. "I'm the best there is at what I do, and sometimes I don't even know what I mean by that..." LOL...guess it was just a mantra to keep him from chickening out...

There's a lot more to the guy than the fact that he bounces back. It's up to the writers to flesh him out - but when they do, many fans scream to have badass, berserker Wolverine back. They can't make everyone happy, I guess...

(PSST...just between you and me...I actually think it's laziness that makes writers take his healing factor for granted. A good writer really tackles the pain and the injury and turns it into something...and a lazy writer just does the 'WHOOPS! Logan got incinerated...AND NOW HE'S BACK ON HIS FEET AGAIN! WOOT!' thing. I prefer a writer who takes his time with the character, instead of using him like a weapon, and that's it. Funny how art imitates life, or is it the other way around...?)

das

 

[Sub-Zero]

so could the kid be

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sabretooth

?

 

[x-fan]

There is a book out there called Wolverine: Weapon X, its a novel anyway it goes into the science of wolverine alittle and it says in there that his bone are not completely coated, but like real bone there are pours all along the bones so that blood can get in and out of the bone or he would die. this part is theory on my part, so even if all his flesh was burned off he would still have his bone marrow to start off with not saying it should happen over a page and half but it could happen in time.

 

[dasNdanger]

Sub-zero - NOT sure about your guess there. I just read some comments made by Daniel Way, and it sounds as if he figures in somehow...but

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the child they showed looked Asian, with Wolverine's hair...so not Sabretooth, I don't think

Way made it clear that this story is about how WOLVERINE came into existance, not James Howlett. OH!!! I just got it...HOWLett...howl...like a wolf. I am SO stinkin' SLOW!!!

Anywho...about the Weapon X book. I have both, the novel, and the graphic novel - JUST got the graphic novel in today, in fact - man...that was a hard one to find! I guess it was out of print. Looking forward to reading both, but what you say makes sense...the marrow is still there. And you also made a point, whether you realize it or not - comics are only so long - and they don't have pages and pages to explain things. So, our imaginations have to take over. Also, if the Phoenix force can enhance his healing factor, perhaps exposure to other severe forms of power can as well.

Hey - at least I can IMAGINE it to be so, and move on, without letting it ruin the character for me...

das

 

[x-fan]

Sub-zero - NOT sure about your guess there. I just read some comments made by Daniel Way, and it sounds as if he figures in somehow...but

Spoiler

the child they showed looked Asian, with Wolverine's hair...so not Sabretooth, I don't think

Way made it clear that this story is about how WOLVERINE came into existance, not James Howlett. OH!!! I just got it...HOWLett...howl...like a wolf. I am SO stinkin' SLOW!!!

Anywho...about the Weapon X book. I have both, the novel, and the graphic novel - JUST got the graphic novel in today, in fact - man...that was a hard one to find! I guess it was out of print. Looking forward to reading both, but what you say makes sense...the marrow is still there. And you also made a point, whether you realize it or not - comics are only so long - and they don't have pages and pages to explain things. So, our imaginations have to take over. Also, if the Phoenix force can enhance his healing factor, perhaps exposure to other severe forms of power can as well.

Hey - at least I can IMAGINE it to be so, and move on, without letting it ruin the character for me...

das

again we agree on alot, you'll really like the novel, it is real good. i wish they would make the movie from that, cause it is very believable

 

[Vic Von Doom]

Way made it clear that this story is about how WOLVERINE came into existance, not James Howlett. OH!!! I just got it...HOWLett...howl...like a wolf. I am SO stinkin' SLOW!!!


das

Did you really just make that connection? Wow. So

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Batman, now Wolverine

...anyone else running around with

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illegitimate kids

somewhere? I bet that is the next SHOCKEROO in Spider-Man's life. Or maybe the Green Goblin had sex with Betty Brant or something. Whatever.

Doesn't something huge happen at the end of the Nitro storyline in the regular Wolverine book? Someone was talking about it...

 

[dasNdanger]

But Wolverine's

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child is NOT illegitimate - Logan was married to Itsu, the baby's mother.

Quite a novelty these days, eh??

Not sure about the Civil War thing with Nitro...will find out soon enough, though...

das

 

[Generation Lee]

Who the hell is Batman's give me a link!!!!

 

[ScarletSpider]

I really enjoyed the latest issue of Origins. Despite all the bad mouthing about the book, it's my favourite ongoing right now.

 

[dasNdanger]

I really enjoyed the latest issue of Origins. Despite all the bad mouthing about the book, it's my favourite ongoing right now.

Well, let's face it - there are a LOT of questions this series is raising...it's not necessarily 'changing' his mythos, but it is fine-tuning it...adding details, taking the loose ends and tying them all together. I am REALLY likin' it - just as long as they don't screw with the character TOO much...lemme find what I just posted at another forum, and repost it here....

*goes to look*

Ugh - it's long..guess I was on a roll....

In reading an interview with Way, he admits to changing - or perhaps the better word to use would be 'adding to' - events from previous stories. In a way, fine-tuning certain events to make a clearer image of why Wolverine became the man - and animal - that he did. I'm willing to accept all of this - depending on how it all turns out. I can accept that nothing stays the same in comic book canon, as long as they keep telling me a damn good story! So far...I'm so intrigued by what I'm reading (instead of disgusted, as some are) that I want to know more...discover more.

As far as killing the townspeople - that really took me by surprise...but then again, so did his shooting of the babysitter. This is all very important to me - to see how low he's gone, how low they've made him go. But ONLY if he eventually rises above it, and puts it all behind him. If his only redemption turns out to be death or something like that, I'll be extremely disappointed. Death is a cheap way out for a character - anyone can die, but not everyone can live with their past and move on...and that's what I want to see. I want this character take control of himself, come to terms with his past and move on to do something great...really great.

In a way, he's not much different than a soldier. I think of my husband's uncle who, after returning from 'Nam was never able to deal with society. He became an alcoholic and an hermit. Died alone. He was a good and kindly person who couldn't come to terms with his experience as a soldier. Logan is turning out to be a lot like this - unable to separate who he really is with what those who (in Logan's case) controlled him made him do. I want to see some sort of growth here - I don't want to see him just give up and give in to his inner animal. I dunno what they are going to do - but I can tell you, I am NOT concerned with techincal 'mistakes', like Cyke's optic blasts, or even what the Blade can do and who can wield it. What I AM concerned with is the redemption of this character in such a way as to satisfy both him, and myself.

Time will tell. and I AM holding my breath, fearing they might take him in directions that are more painful and gutting than satisfying. How much lower can he go? Just how much? He's just been stripped of everything - everything that could possibly make him hold his head high - everything that could inspire his confident, 'I'm the best there is at what I do...' and suddenly he realizes he's the worst. Not only that - but he's just discovered that the one person who may have loved him unconditionally (and he in returm) instead hates him. This is the lowest he can go, because, for the first time, Wolverine is REALLY stripped and naked and exposed...not to the world, but to himself. So...if they pull him even lower...not sure I can accept that. It's time for Logan to start rising from the ashes of his life, and bring happiness and satisfaction to both the reader, and himself.

Now - to tell ol' Danny boy all of this....
Sorry it was so long....

das

 

[Morgoth]

I liked the latest issue of Origins, but not too much of a surprise, I could've done without that cliche, I like the bit with Cyclops and the sword though.

 

[Norkie]

I liked the latest issue of Origins, but not too much of a surprise, I could've done without that cliche, I like the bit with Cyclops and the sword though.

Wait the part where Wolvie gave him the sword or the part that he screamed like a girl and put his hands up to defend himself not like that whould have done anything...

 

[foxx5]

Wolverine Origins #8 Cover ans summary, sheck it out:
http://loganfiles.com/w-preview.html
the cover dosen't look like Jow Q's work but it says it is?

 

[Bullseye]

Wolverine Origins #8 cover will be a 50/50 split. Quesada and Ariel Olivetti are both doing a cover for this issue. Olivetti's cover is the one that is displayed on that webiste and its also displayed at Newsarama and Comic Book Resources.