The Wrestling Thread Can Wrestle MICHAEL COLE If It Wants To!! - Part 106

[chamber-music]

Orton needs to go heel seeing as they turned Cody, Ziggler, Punk and Henry Face while the only heel turn recently that I can think of was Alberto Del Rio

 

[Dr. Evil]

They probably aren't "Hispanic enough".

Probably "no habla Espanol" compared to Del Rio, Rey or Sin Cara.

Zayn vs. Cesaro won't air until August 26th.

 

[chamber-music]

It's like they threw in Big E just for Pinky.

Looks like Big E ate one of Jack Swagger's Brownies

 

[Hunter Rider]

Ok, NOW I'm pissed:

Word going around WWE is that the current plan has Daniel Bryan defeating John Cena at SummerSlam for the WWE Championship, only to see Randy Orton cash in his Money in the Bank briefcase, win the WWE Championship and finally make his long-awaited heel turn.

It’s possible WWE announces the Randy Orton neck injury on RAW and keep him off TV for a few weeks, that way his cash in at SummerSlam will be more of a surprise.

As of this week, there is currently no Bryan vs. Cena rematch planned for September’s Night of Champions pay-per-view which gives another sign that Orton may be cashing in at Summerslam.

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Haven't they learned how counterproductive this is after Summerslam 2011 when they did this with Alberto Del Rio to CM Punk?

I think they have gotten the idea for this story from the net as I've seen this predicted on message boards since Monday, I doubt they got this from anyone in the WWE.

- WrestleMania XXX would mark 11 years since “Stone Cold” Steve Austin last wrestled a match. WWE has interest in Austin working the event, if he wants to work it and can get medically cleared. There has been an idea discussed where Austin would be representing Vince McMahon in a match against Triple H with the control of WWE at stake.

Since Triple H is likely going to be the face in the angle I don't see this happening, at most I could see Austin as the ref.

- The Undertaker will not be at SummerSlam as he is currently recovering from shoulder surgery. It’s doubtful he will be back until his usual pre-WrestleMania return. Undertaker’s shoulder issues are said to be pretty bad at this stage of the game.

That sucks but isn't unexpected. What is odd is that they keep going on about it being The Shield's yard which suggests there is still plans for Taker to face them, the only thing is I don't see when it could happen if this timeline for hs return is right.

Batista is not returning to WWE any time soon and if he did, it would be in early 2014 for WrestleMania season. One person close to Batista said that he is not going to return at all if he has anything going on for early 2014 regarding new movies, because that’s his line of work and priority now.

So basically he is just flirting with the idea of a Mania pay-day.

No way. Santa Clara. I'll be living there at that point and will be able to go.

That would be great for you yes, but for those of us just watching on TV then Philly is a miles better choice because they always have great crowds, where as California is not known for being a hot crowd.

Lol, seriously, I can't be the only one noticing how repeatedly disinterested he appears to be when he's always surrounded by half-naked women. If he's married, his wife probably keeps him on a leash shorter than Kronik's run in the WWE.

I think it's because they have all shunned him and been spiteful towards him as they are jealous of his rack.

 

[Hunter Rider]

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A glimpse into a potential future main event program.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Philly and Dallas. Philly because you can get a good crowd there and Dallas because of it's history in Pro Wrestling with the Von Erichs and World Class Championship Wrestling.

 

[Kaleb]

Ok, NOW I'm pissed:

Word going around WWE is that the current plan has Daniel Bryan defeating John Cena at SummerSlam for the WWE Championship, only to see Randy Orton cash in his Money in the Bank briefcase, win the WWE Championship and finally make his long-awaited heel turn.
It’s possible WWE announces the Randy Orton neck injury on RAW and keep him off TV for a few weeks, that way his cash in at SummerSlam will be more of a surprise.

As of this week, there is currently no Bryan vs. Cena rematch planned for September’s Night of Champions pay-per-view which gives another sign that Orton may be cashing in at Summerslam.

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Haven't they learned how counterproductive this is after Summerslam 2011 when they did this with Alberto Del Rio to CM Punk?

This kinda reminds me of when Jeff won the title only for a (face) CM Punk to cash it in on him and eventually turn heel. I think this could benifit both parties (Orton,Bryan) Bryan will be more over than ever before,gunning for revenge on Orton (Night of Champions main event perhaps?)and this should put Orton as the no1 heel in the company.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I highly doubt the validity of the Summerslam WWE Title rumors because there's no way in hell that Cena isn't a part of a WWE Title match at Night of Champions.

 

[sweetre15]

This kinda reminds me of when Jeff won the title only for a (face) CM Punk to cash it in on him and eventually turn heel. I think this could benifit both parties (Orton,Bryan) Bryan will be more over than ever before,gunning for revenge on Orton (Night of Champions main event perhaps?)and this should put Orton as the no1 heel in the company.

As long as Bryan gets it back and isn't kept away from the title for too long.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I can see that working if they use it to build a Bryan-Orton feud that really shows Bryan chasing the title. I just don't know what they would do with Cena.

The WWE will insert him into the WWE Title match at Night of Champions. No way in hell he's going to be left out of that match.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I used to flip between RAW/Nitro every fifteen minutes to see if there was someone I was interested in. If it was an interview or match I wanted to see, I'd stick around, if not, I'd turn back to the other show.

But by tuning in, aren't they "gaining" a viewer?

That would be great for you yes, but for those of us just watching on TV then Philly is a miles better choice because they always have great crowds, where as California is not known for being a hot crowd.

Maybe in L.A., but the Bay Area has some really good crowds.

 

[ImWithTeamConan]

But by tuning in, aren't they "gaining" a viewer?



Maybe in L.A., but the Bay Area has some really good crowds.

Not sure how ratings work really but I would guess it's some kind of aggregate over the fifteen minutes for how many people tune in and how many people stay watching.

And although I made a joke about it, I kinda agree with CM Punk, ratings don't mean as much as they used to. With today's technology so many people can catch whatever part of RAW they want online. Hell, the last two RAW's were the first ones that I watched live since last year.

They're important, yes, but not as big a barometer as they used to be.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Not sure how ratings work really but I would guess it's some kind of aggregate over the fifteen minutes for how many people tune in and how many people stay watching.

And although I made a joke about it, I kinda agree with CM Punk, ratings don't mean as much as they used to. With today's technology so many people can catch whatever part of RAW they want online. Hell, the last two RAW's were the first ones that I watched live since last year.

They're important, yes, but not as big a barometer as they used to be.

Yea, I don't really judge ratings period. I feel they'd be so unreliable in tons of ways.

What about DVR? I don't think you can judge ratings from that.

What about people who watch the full thing? Those ratings aren't being gained or lost which doesn't show what segments were more successful or not. That doesn't take into account me walking out of the apartment when Antonio Cesaro comes on.

Anyways, it feels more like the fact that certain time segments automatically gain or lose viewers. I think they could plug in me facing the Brooklyn Brawler in our underwear at the 9 o'clock spot and it'd gain half a million viewers.

 

[vantheman77]

With all these budget cuts that TNA has been making lately, TNA isn't going under like a lot of wrestling sites make them out to be. They have lots of international deals and merchandises as well as money from US attendance to keep them afloat.

I think TNA is doing a wake-up call that should've happened when Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff first came in 2010.

With Bruce Prichard and D-Lo Brown gone, I hope Gutcheck is gone from Impact because that amount of screentime should be devoted to more important things. There's talk of either Bully Ray or D-Von replacing D-Lo Brown as road agents.

 

[TX85]

I actually think this would work pretty well. Bryan gets to beat the superstar of the company, Orton gets to turn heel on the biggest face of the company. Bryan and Cena chase Orton. They're all doing good work these days, a program with those three for the WWE title would keep me interested and they could milk it all the way to the Royal Rumble if they wanted.

Agreed,May seem bad at first But after being played out for months it could be awesome,Especially IF D-Bry goes over in the end and finally gets his WWE title run

 

[Pink Ranger]

Orton doing a dishonourable cash-in on Bryan would give the WWE the alpha villain it needs right now. EVERYONE would boo Orton, from the kids who like Cena and Bryan to the internet smarks like us who want Bryan to have a good title run.

To be honest, Heyman needs a new "guy," doesn't he? He has a main event part-timer and a hungry up-and-comer, but he doesn't have a full-time uppercard guy like he used to have with CM Punk.

 

[ImWithTeamConan]

Orton doing a dishonourable cash-in on Bryan would give the WWE the alpha villain it needs right now. EVERYONE would boo Orton, from the kids who like Cena and Bryan to the internet smarks like us who want Bryan to have a good title run.

To be honest, Heyman needs a new "guy," doesn't he? He has a main event part-timer and a hungry up-and-comer, but he doesn't have a full-time uppercard guy like he used to have with CM Punk.

I'm a little wary of the idea of another Paul Heyman Guy. I think they've botched Axel's push a little bit by not allowing him to cut promos and not really giving him a character. His character right now is simply "Paul Heyman Guy". Heyman's a legend but nobody can get over with that. He needs to infuse some personality into the character.

 

[Kaleb]

Orton doing a dishonourable cash-in on Bryan would give the WWE the alpha villain it needs right now. EVERYONE would boo Orton, from the kids who like Cena and Bryan to the internet smarks like us who want Bryan to have a good title run.

To be honest, Heyman needs a new "guy," doesn't he? He has a main event part-timer and a hungry up-and-comer, but he doesn't have a full-time uppercard guy like he used to have with CM Punk.

exactly,however I see Orton siding with Vince rather than Heyman (esp if they go along with the internet rumours about Vince not seeing any money in Bryan)Orton could be his new ''corporate Champion''

 

[Pink Ranger]

exactly,however I see Orton siding with Vince rather than Heyman (esp if they go along with the internet rumours about Vince not seeing any money in Bryan)Orton could be his new ''corporate Champion''

I agree that Vince definitely needs a new "corporate guy," but I don't want it to be Orton. Whether heel or face, I like how Orton is consistently a borderline psychopath, and having him be Mr. Corporate would basically neuter the character and wreck years upon years of good characterization.

Orton and Heyman would be good, because we'd finally see Heyman managing a guy that is more evil, more sadistic and maybe even smarter (due to being more evil and sadistic) than he is. It would be like Tony Soprano welcoming Hannibal Lecter into his gang. Failing that, Orton all by himself as a villain is a good option too.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Hoopla!!

 

[Mr.?]

I love the idea of Orton cashing in and beating Bryan because when Bryan wins it again it will make it even more meaningful. I would have Orton run in while Daniel Bryan is celebrating and brutally attack him with the briefcase, Cena tries to stop it but gets RKOed, Orton cashes in and wins with both Cena and Bryan laid out. Next PPV I would book a triple threat match between the three. End it with a cheap victory like Cena AAing Bryan only for ORton to push him out of the ring and get the fall. Or maybe have Bryan pinning Cena only to get punted in the head and pinned. From there have Cena vs Bryan for the number one contendership with Bryan winning. Bryan then goes on to defeat Orton at Survivor Series and holds it till Wrestlemania where he will face Punk in the main event.

 

[TX85]

I'm a D-Bry mark..But also a Randy Orton mark,So not just would I enjoy the feud as I think it'd interesting/entertaining and good for both of them But as a fan I'm be really into it since I'd be going for both and wanting both to get the title

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I think the psychopath angle is more talked about these days than actually portrayed. This isn't, what, 2009 anymore? I forget what year Orton feuded with Triple H and really unveiled that persona, but Orton isn't really that guy anymore.

I think the Corporate Champion angle would be perfect for a guy like Orton.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

I think Cena would fit better. That's basically been his whole character for like 6 years now and is arguably the biggest d-bag character in wrestling.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I love the idea of Orton cashing in and beating Bryan because when Bryan wins it again it will make it even more meaningful. I would have Orton run in while Daniel Bryan is celebrating and brutally attack him with the briefcase, Cena tries to stop it but gets RKOed, Orton cashes in and wins with both Cena and Bryan laid out. Next PPV I would book a triple threat match between the three. End it with a cheap victory like Cena AAing Bryan only for ORton to push him out of the ring and get the fall. Or maybe have Bryan pinning Cena only to get punted in the head and pinned. From there have Cena vs Bryan for the number one contendership with Bryan winning. Bryan then goes on to defeat Orton at Survivor Series and holds it till Wrestlemania where he will face Punk in the main event.

I like your booking, but I would make one change.

After Orton's cheap victory at the triple threat, Cena and Bryan have a PPV #1 contenders match. Cena wins (I am a believer than Cena needs major wins and title reigns every so often to support his character). So Bryan's dream is over, right? It seems so.

No! Orton, the sick sadist, does something terrible to Cena, maybe even involving cars being rammed into other cars or something. Cena is kayfabe injured, but out of admiration and respect, grants his title shot to Bryan, saying Bryan is one of the most honorable opponents he has ever faced. Then Bryan wins the title over Orton at a PPV, leading to Bryan vs. Punk down the road.