The Wrestling Thread Ended Itself Early Because of a Dislocated Finger. - - Part 112

[Lantern Venom]

If not then:

Highly unlikely but who knows (he would be my dream inductee):

When The Artist Formerly Known as Hellwig goes in (a certainty), his speech will have to be bleeped in numerous places and close-captioned for people who speak actual English.

I'll second your call for Muta. It's supposed to be a wrestling HOF, not WWE-only. Muta has a stellar resume'.

 

[ssj wolverine]

Just finished watching Punk vs Lesnar for the 5th time. I know that both guys got standing ovation in the WWE locker room, and the audience in the arena. Both individuals are amazing. For Lesnar to be able to come back anytime he wants and not be sluggish and feel like he never left unlike the Rock is just incredible. Punk? Still in my opinion the best in the business. He reminds me of Shawn Michaels and Ric Flair in their prime. Not saying he is on their level but just to know that he is involved in 3 matches that could be Match of the year is a true testament to him. I hope and pray that we get Bryan vs Punk classic 1hr ironman match for the WWE title at WM30.

 

[OnTheAir]

In my eyes the WWE Championship is the "corporate" championship. This is not because of the current storyline, I've been thinking this since I started watching wrestling again. If it were a true world championship, don't you'd think it'd state that? Believe it or not, it was once declared the WWF's "World Heavyweight Wrestling Champion[ship]", on the belt no less. By comparison the World Heavyweight Championship's so-called "extended" lineage is intrinsic by virtue of the Big Gold Belt, that and it outright states it on the belt. The new WWE Championship belt clearly states that it is nothing more than the championship of WWE. Whatever "world" status it once held notwithstanding, I'm simply saying that in both form and deed, the current iteration of the WWE Championship I no longer consider to be a "world" championship. I favor a lifting up of the World Heavyweight Championship to equal status. WWE is big enough to handle a corporate and formal world champion.

For tradition's sake, though! I'm a guilty WCW mark, and I don't wanna see that belt leave the screen

Ok. I see where you're going, and I actually figured you were headed there. I respect and appreciate your argument. However, I in no way agree with it (despite you being a fellow WCW fan...lol).

The WWE championship, whether it has "world" in the current title or not, is a world championship. Ever since the Capital Wrestling Corporation seceded from the NWA and founded the World Wide Wrestling Federation, its champion has been a world champion. The only point in time that I MIGHT accept an argument for it losing its world title status is the dozen years or so from the early 70s through 1983 when the WWWF had rejoined the NWA. But even then, I'm of the opinion that once you've achieved world title status, you do not lose it, as all of the heritage involved with said title does not disappear in spite of current circumstances. (Which is why the NWA championship is still a world title to me, despite the fall from grace of the NWA itself).

Whether it's known as the WWWF world heavyweight championship, the WWWF heavyweight championship, the WWF heavyweight championship, the WWF world heavyweight championship, the WWF/E undisputed championship or the WWE championship, it's the same title with the same lineage going back to Buddy Rogers in 1963. Pro Wrestling Illustrated has granted it world title status, and I agree.

(By the way, for those who object to the WHC being a world title due to Bischoff just handing Triple H the belt, Buddy Rogers was also just handed the WWWF world championship as well, after the split from the NWA and one of the phantom "tournaments in Rio De Janeiro" that the McMahons liked to use to introduce championships)

My personal qualifications for world title status: the championship represents an established national brand, and has been "defended" (featured) on wrestling cards outside of the United States, which the WWE championship certainly has.

Lastly, to the victor goes the spoils. Vince won. His is the last company standing of all of the previous superpowers (WWF, WCW, AWA, WCCW, etc.). Granted, the NWA is still around, but it's a shell of what it was. Not only that, but Vince bought out the libraries and brands of all of his competitors. He has become the keeper of pro wrestling history. If the last man standing declares that his company's main title is a world championship (and he does), I can't argue with him. It is, after all, the WORLD Wrestling Entertainment championship.

(Still, I am with you in this regard...I don't want to see the World Heavyweight Championship go away...that belt and the heritage it recalls means too much to me as a wrestling fan)

 

[Slushy]

I think if Hogan did come back for one final match at Wrestlemania, I can see him working with either Cena or Punk. I wouldn't be against it.

 

[DarkSentinel]

Ok. I see where you're going, and I actually figured you were headed there. I respect and appreciate your argument. However, I in no way agree with it (despite you being a fellow WCW fan...lol).

The WWE championship, whether it has "world" in the current title or not, is a world championship. Ever since the Capital Wrestling Corporation seceded from the NWA and founded the World Wide Wrestling Federation, its champion has been a world champion. The only point in time that I MIGHT accept an argument for it losing its world title status is the dozen years or so from the early 70s through 1983 when the WWWF had rejoined the NWA. But even then, I'm of the opinion that once you've achieved world title status, you do not lose it, as all of the heritage involved with said title does not disappear in spite of current circumstances. (Which is why the NWA championship is still a world title to me, despite the fall from grace of the NWA itself).

Whether it's known as the WWWF world heavyweight championship, the WWWF heavyweight championship, the WWF heavyweight championship, the WWF world heavyweight championship, the WWF/E undisputed championship or the WWE championship, it's the same title with the same lineage going back to Buddy Rogers in 1963. Pro Wrestling Illustrated has granted it world title status, and I agree.

(By the way, for those who object to the WHC being a world title due to Bischoff just handing Triple H the belt, Buddy Rogers was also just handed the WWWF world championship as well, after the split from the NWA and one of the phantom "tournaments in Rio De Janeiro" that the McMahons liked to use to introduce championships)

My personal qualifications for world title status: the championship represents an established national brand, and has been "defended" (featured) on wrestling cards outside of the United States, which the WWE championship certainly has.

Lastly, to the victor goes the spoils. Vince won. His is the last company standing of all of the previous superpowers (WWF, WCW, AWA, WCCW, etc.). Granted, the NWA is still around, but it's a shell of what it was. Not only that, but Vince bought out the libraries and brands of all of his competitors. He has become the keeper of pro wrestling history. If the last man standing declares that his company's main title is a world championship (and he does), I can't argue with him. It is, after all, the WORLD Wrestling Entertainment championship.

(Still, I am with you in this regard...I don't want to see the World Heavyweight Championship go away...that belt and the heritage it recalls means too much to me as a wrestling fan)

Alright, at this point, for the sake of the Wrestling Thread, I will break it off here too and we shall continue to be friends and fans.

Be it known that the Master of Fate is both wise and merciful

 

[Kane52630]

 

[OnTheAir]

Alright, at this point, for the sake of the Wrestling Thread, I will break it off here too and we shall continue to be friends and fans.

Be it known that the Master of Fate is both wise and merciful

 

[Hunter Rider]

Ah, yeah. For some reason I thought I was it in New Japan.

I think a lot of times people think it was Japan because that's where a lot of Mick's craziest stuff went down.

As for Rhodes, If and when he enters the WHC title picture, I kinda hope that they get some of his family involved the way they did with Orton in 2005 during his taker feud. It would be cool to see either Dusty Rhodes manage Cody or his godfather Magnum T.A whom was super close to holding that title before his injury.

I can see where you're coming from but I think Cody needs to stand on his own two feet now, they could try and invest some emotion into an angle by having Del Rio attack Dusty but beyond that I'd keep Cody relying on himself.

Even if they have a problem putting someone over, what can they do? In previous eras, the top stars had a certain amount of perceived power. They could threaten to leave the WWF and go to another territory. Even Bret and Shawn could hold offers from WCW over Vince's head, if they chose to do so.

Nowadays, no other organization is on WWE's level, everyone is under contract and you don't even own your name/gimmick. You have nothing to threaten Vince with.

Outside of Punk this is seemingly the case, I mean when they re-signed him with a contract that gave him a huge salary bump, a tour bus, big merch points and freedom on his character, he really wasn't negotiating as a main event guy, yet they clearly were going to do what it took to stop him leaving even though they knew he couldn't hurt them by going to TNA.

I think Cena's never known what it's like to have to do jobs before you get the world on a plate, but in some ways it makes his willingness to put others over and not suffocate everything all the more remarkable.

WWE is boss no doubt and guys who are millionaires in the company only have the leverage of simply not needing to wrestle any more even though they are only in their mid 30's, but I do find it encouraging that they all seem to be pulling in the same direction unlike other generations.

Triple H on seeing this pic: "Look at all those belts, Steph! just think how many times I can beat him! "

How did I miss this?!


http://www.examiner.com/article/wwe-exclusive-mcmahon-talks-to-hogan-about-nwo-vs-the-shield-at-wm30

I..... I wouldn't object. I mean, as long as it wasn't a straight up squash match, or if The Shield won, I'd be up for it.

But of course, this remains a rumor. But a very interesting one.

Nash and Hall would do it but I'm not sure Hogan would. In truth if WWE wanted a novelty team to face The Shield they'd be better off with The Outlaws & X Pac.

The NY crowd completely ****ed up the Michael Elgin/Karl Anderson. NY can be quite annoying at times, but it's even worse when those fans at stupid ass WWE sheep. They were chanting "HOOOOOO" at Michael Elgin and "Gillberg" at Anderson. Just frustrating as all hell.

I didn't notice you complaining when the crowd the night after Mania did the same kind of thing to Orton and Sheamus. In New York you often get a wake up call on how good you really are as it's as harsh as it gets, and frankly I don't blame them as Elgin is awful and Karl Anderson is a as dull as dish water.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Wow lol, I wonder if WWE actually planned this out shot for shot on purpose.

 

[Specter313]

When I finally caught up on Raw last night, that is exactly what I immediately thought of when they got to that segment, Kane.

Really shows yet again how they can run low on original ideas sometimes.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

The WWE Championship is the main event championship, whether you want to call it a "world" championship is up to you. Being world champion is supposed to mean that you're the main event. The championship that Del Rio holds doesn't deserve to be called a world title because it hasn't main evented a PPV since 2010.

Exactly. It doesn't need to have the owrds "world championship" in order for it to be the world championship. I mean, Turmbar is implying that the WWE went decades without a world championship until 2002. The WWE Championship is the most prestigious title in the world, especially since the NWA heavyweight title has fallen off in the last few years.

 

[Dr. Evil]

So does this mean we'll see Orton in The Tooth Fairy 3?

 

[nite-owl]

There's a Tooth Fairy 2?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

There's a Tooth Fairy 2?

In hell there is.

 

[DarkSentinel]

Exactly. It doesn't need to have the owrds "world championship" in order for it to be the world championship. I mean, Turmbar is implying that the WWE went decades without a world championship until 2002. The WWE Championship is the most prestigious title in the world, especially since the NWA heavyweight title has fallen off in the last few years.

Shaddup Parker!!


t:

On a serious note, though, I actually DID say that the WWE Championship was at one time declared as the "World Heavyweight Wrestling Champion[ship]", on the Winged Eagle belt. Here, I'll show you:

Spoiler

See? What I said was that it had gone from world status to corporate status, but I also said that I was simply stating and defending my opinion and preference for the World Heavyweight Championship.

OnTheAir and I have made peace, stop being an instigator!!

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

There's a Tooth Fairy 2?

Yeah, and it stars Larry the Cable Guy.

 

[NDX]

I just finished the latest ROH show Manhattan Mayhem V. Great show ruined by the New York crowd. Pretty much every match was consistent with The Forever Hooligans vs The Young Bucks being the Match of The Night. The NY crowd completely ****ed up the Michael Elgin/Karl Anderson. NY can be quite annoying at times, but it's even worse when those fans at stupid ass WWE sheep. They were chanting "HOOOOOO" at Michael Elgin and "Gillberg" at Anderson. Just frustrating as all hell.

I kind of hope ROH holds 2 or 3 shows in NYC a year because the ROH/NYC crowds have changed so much over the past 3 years.

That's because I stopped going.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I mean, what would you expect from NYC? That's WWE territory, even going back to the older territory eras.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Shaddup Parker!!


t:

On a serious note, though, I actually DID say that the WWE Championship was at one time declared as the "World Heavyweight Wrestling Champion[ship]", on the Winged Eagle belt. Here, I'll show you:

Spoiler

See? What I said was that it had gone from world status to corporate status, but I also said that I was simply stating and defending my opinion and preference for the World Heavyweight Championship.

OnTheAir and I have made peace, stop being an instigator!!

Not until that Dark Sentinel guy comes back.

 

[NDX]

I mean, what would you expect from NYC? That's WWE territory, even going back to the older territory eras.

When wrestling is good, us NYers will pay it complete respect. But if you're match is ****, we'll let you know in the most obnoxious ways possible. Whether it be a crowd of 20, 200, 2,000, or 20,000. You gonna wrestle for us, you better shows us your best.

 

[I'm Venom]

Sometimes though I think midcard titles like the IC and US has become a curse as of late in this company because that now means being relegated to short timeslots. I'd hate for that to happen to Punk but if they freed up space for the IC title to have significance then I wouldnt mind.

WWE Championship - Unify the World Heavyweight Championship and WWE Championship.
Intercontinental Championship - Secondary title, raise it to the level that the World Heavyweight Championship is at now (a clear step below the WWE title, but still a big deal to win).
United States Championship - Tertiary title, just like the European Championship was back in the day. Contenders would include guys who aren't being groomed for the big one.

 

[sweetre15]

I'm not going to say I could run a wrestling company with ease but if I had ANY stroke regarding the people pushed and even the people hired, this would be some things I'd push for:

Wrestlers I'd want Future Endeavored:

Joseph Parks

Garrett Bischoff

Wes Brisco

Mike Knox

Rob Terry

I'd beg and plead Spike TV to make Rampage, King Mo, and Tito Ortiz GTFO as well.

Wrestlers and onscreen presences that I'd want to take more "subdued" roles aka not holding titles or getting more than 10 minutes of promo time in Hogan's case (They can still slither in and out of main event feuds from time to time excluding Hogan and Sting):

Sting

Bully Ray

Hulk Hogan

Jeff Hardy

Kurt Angle

X-Division's top guys:

Manik

Chris Sabin

Zema Ion (when he's healed)

Kenny King

Amazing Red

And work on building and potentially bringing in Okada, Prince Devitt, Trent Baretta, Alex Shelley, Jay Lethal, Joey Ryan as well as resigning Petey Williams and Homicide.

Tag Team Division:

Mostly bringing in teams such as The Briscoes, American Wolves, London and Kenderick and maybe making guys like Roderick Strong, Jimmy Jacobs, James Gibson, and Jimmy Rave be put into new tag teams since they aren't necessarily cut out for the main event but could help increase the talent pool. I'd also have Bad Influence, Bro-Mans and Super Mex as mainstays that said new teams can feud with. Bad Influence would also be the guys I'd have them work with so some of the guys can learn how to not be super reliant on high spots.

Main Event's key focuses:

Bobby Roode

Austin Aries

AJ Styles

Samoa Joe

Occasionally Christopher Daniels

Force Magnus to step his promo game up since he can put on good matches

Knockouts:

Keep as is but make these additions:

BEG AND PLEAD for Angelina Love, Sarita, Rosita, Taeler Hendrix, Kharma and Katarina Waters/Winter to return

Bring in Ivelisse Velez, Mia Yim, Cheerleader Melissa, and Sereena Deeb.


Overall this is how I'd push things along to make a significant change in the company's product regarding the talent pool of each card.

If I can abolish anything booking wise:

I'd keep Stable Wars/Power Struggles off of the table due to how many times TNA has done this back to back to back to back.


Not sure how many would necessarily agree but I think this would be a good way to get back on the right track until their guys at OVW are ready.

 

[DarkSentinel]

Not until that Dark Sentinel guy comes back.

Your wish...

 

[Kane52630]

There's a Tooth Fairy 2?

In hell there is.

Welcome...to hell.

 

[Spike014]

I'm not going to say I could run a wrestling company with ease but if I had ANY stroke regarding the people pushed and even the people hired, this would be something's I'd push for:

Wrestlers I'd want Future Endeavored:

Joseph Parks

Garrett Bischoff

Wes Brisco

Mike Knox

Rob Terry

I'd beg and plead Spike TV to make Rampage, King Mo, and Tito Ortiz GTFO.

Wrestlers and onscreen presences that I'd want to take more "subdued" roles aka not holding titles or getting more than 10 minutes of promo time in Hogan's case (They can still slither in and out of main event feuds from time to time excluding Hogan and Sting):

Sting

Bully Ray

Hulk Hogan

Jeff Hardy

Kurt Angle

X-Division's top guys:

Manik

Chris Sabin

Zema Ion (when he's healed)

Kenny King

Amazing Red

And work on building and potentially bringing in Okada, Prince Devitt, Trent Baretta, Alex Shelley, Jay Lethal, Joey Ryan as well as resigning Petey Williams and Homicide.

Tag Team Division:

Mostly bringing in teams such as The Briscoes, American Wolves, London and Kenderick and maybe making guys like Roderick Strong, Jimmy Jacobs, James Gibson, and Jimmy Rave be put into new tag teams since they aren't necessarily cut out for the main event but could help increase the talent pool. I'd also have Bad Influence, Bro-Mans and Super Mex as mainstays that said new teams can feud with. Bad Influence would also be the guys I'd have them work with so some of the guys can learn how to not be super reliant on high spots.

Main Event's key focuses:

Bobby Roode

Austin Aries

AJ Styles

Samoa Joe

Occasionally Christopher Daniels

Force Magnus to step his promo game up since he can put on good matches

Knockouts:

Keep as is but make these additions:

Beg and plead for Angelina Love, Sarita, Rosita, Taeler Hendrix, Kharma and Katarina Waters/Winter to return

Bring in Ivelisse Velez, Mia Yim, Cheerleader Melissa, and Sereena Deeb.

Overall this is how I'd push things along to make a significant change in the company's product regarding the talent pool of each card.

If I can abolish anything booking wise:

I'd keep Stable Wars/Power Struggles off of the table due to how many times TNA has done this back to back to back to back.


Not sure how many would necessarily agree but I think this would be a good way to get back on the right track until their guys at OVW are ready.

I would agree with you on that, but I would add Hogan and Sting to the Future Endeavored list aswell, I think it's time now. I would bring in an influx of Indy guys too most of the guys you have mentioned but I'd also bring in Kevin Steen, Adam Cole, Rich Swann, Ricochet, AR Fox and rebuild the X-Division around those guys, push Kevin Steen into the World title picture.

Main Event:
Austin Aries
AJ Styles
Kevin Steen
Bully Ray
Samoa Joe
Christopher Daniels

Tag Team division:
Storm and Gunner
The Briscoes
American Wolves
The Young Bucks

Rebuild the X-division around:
Chris Sabin
AR Fox
Kenny King
Rich Swann
Ricochet
Adam Cole

Then have the International talent come in on a weekly basis, like...

Alex Shelley
Prince Devitt
Okada