The Wrestling Thread Exists Because Enzo's Mom & Dad Got It On - - - - Part 221

[Warhammer]

Is McGregor a star draw or just a trouble making infamy attraction?

Might be the latter actually....

McGregor is a star draw. 7-1 UFC record and prior to his loss, was undefeated for 5.5 years. He draws because he talks a lot of s*** but he is a legitimately great fighter. His loss last month was due to extenuating circumstances. The UFC is now doing damage control to remedy it because he is the current cash cow after the fall of Rousey.

 

[Warhammer]

EDIT: Nevermind

 

[Wheels]

Hunter was talking about The Rock.

 

[Warhammer]

Oh. Damn, no context or quotes. I had no idea.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I must disagree with you there. Did the Miz deserve to headline and retain at Wrestlemania? Probably not but he debuted in 2003 and got the title in 2010. If there was a length of time where one must "pay their dues," that is more than enough time. CM Punk was a wrestler, not a mixed martial artist or somewhat established writer. It is fairly legitimate for other comic book writers and mixed martial artists to feel negatively about Punk not deserving it. There are many that bust their ass and spend years trying to write for any of the various Marvel titles or be signed to the UFC.

Does Punk deserve personal blame for what he received? No. But Miz was far more worthy of headlining Wrestlemania than Punk was to be handed a comic book or UFC fight.

EDIT: unless you were implying the opposite. My apologies if so. The post was ambiguous.

I wasn't talking about The Miz at all actually, I was talking about The Rock, gone for 8 years and just waltzes back in and is given the Mania main event. To me if Punk had walked into Marvel and been given the Spidey book to write then yes, that would be unfair, in fact he wasn't, he wrote one story for Thor in a multi story annual, not the same thing at all.

In the case of the UFC he is again not walking into the main event of a card, he'll be an undercard bout.

 

[Wheels]

I avoid talking about The Rock in the context of the current product, so I skipped over that and just related Miz in WWE to Punk in UFC lol.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The Miz has been more successful in WWE than Punk will be in the UFC.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I wasn't talking about The Miz at all actually, I was talking about The Rock, gone for 8 years and just waltzes back in and is given the Mania main event. To me if Punk had walked into Marvel and been given the Spidey book to write then yes, that would be unfair, in fact he wasn't, he wrote one story for Thor in a multi story annual, not the same thing at all.

In the case of the UFC he is again not walking into the main event of a card, he'll be an undercard bout.

The Rock's new movie does not excite me, the one with Kevin Hart.

Baywatch I'm not so sure. If the trailer includes the theme from the TV series, I'm in!

 

[Dr. Evil]

McGregor is a star draw. 7-1 UFC record and prior to his loss, was undefeated for 5.5 years. He draws because he talks a lot of s*** but he is a legitimately great fighter. His loss last month was due to extenuating circumstances. The UFC is now doing damage control to remedy it because he is the current cash cow after the fall of Rousey.

And their former Cash cow Jon Jones we know is a moron.

 

[Dr. Evil]

So Shaq vs. Big Show at WrestleMania 33?

 

[Wylie Times]

I wasn't talking about The Miz at all actually, I was talking about The Rock, gone for 8 years and just waltzes back in and is given the Mania main event. To me if Punk had walked into Marvel and been given the Spidey book to write then yes, that would be unfair, in fact he wasn't, he wrote one story for Thor in a multi story annual, not the same thing at all.

In the case of the UFC he is again not walking into the main event of a card, he'll be an undercard bout.

You kinda just summed it up right there.....IT's THE ROCK.

Rock paid his dues and was headlining Wrestlemania when Punk was just starting out in his career. He's was in the main event because he was just a bigger star. It's no different than when Hogan came back. Hell if Steve Austin came back he'd be in the main event at Mania too. Those guys are given those spots because they're some of the biggest names in that industry.

What Punk is doing with Marvel comics and in UFC is the equivalent of Floyd Mayweather having a "match" with Big show at Wrestlemania. Yeah it might draw in fans and it might even be entertaining, but that spot wasn't earned, no dues were paid, and Floyd only got the spot because of what he did in another industry.

 

[Dr. Evil]

As I said earlier, Punk has to win in the UFC and win early otherwise whatever he did in the WWE won't matter. It will be a disaster for him if he loses.

 

[Hunter Rider]

You kinda just summed it up right there.....IT's THE ROCK.

Rock paid his dues and was headlining Wrestlemania when Punk was just starting out in his career. He's was in the main event because he was just a bigger star. It's no different than when Hogan came back. Hell if Steve Austin came back he'd be in the main event at Mania too. Those guys are given those spots because they're some of the biggest names in that industry.

What Punk is doing with Marvel comics and in UFC is the equivalent of Floyd Mayweather having a "match" with Big show at Wrestlemania. Yeah it might draw in fans and it might even be entertaining, but that spot wasn't earned, no dues were paid, and Floyd only got the spot because of what he did in another industry.

He pissed off to be a movie star, walking back in to a main event just disrespects the guys on the roster who have worked their ass off all year for the company and are the ones carrying it. When Hogan came back he never headlined, he was the secondary main event, exactly what Dwayne should have been.

Punk wrote one story in an annual for Marvel, I don't see how much lower on the ladder you can start at Marvel. In the UFC he's starting in the undercard, so again not the same. Had he went in and wrote Spidey and headlined UFC then it would be the same as his issue with The Rock, but it's not so it isn't.

 

[Wylie Times]

He pissed off to be a movie star, walking back in to a main event just disrespects the guys on the roster who have worked their ass off all year for the company and are the ones carrying it. When Hogan came back he never headlined, he was the secondary main event, exactly what Dwayne should have been.

I don't care how long he was gone, he's still a bigger star than virtually everyone else on the roster. If the guys currently on the roster were as big they'd have a legit gripe, but they simply weren't.

As for Rock vs Hogan they were supposed to be the main event. HHH talked Vince out of it even though Jericho said at the time it was a bad idea.

Punk wrote one story in an annual for Marvel, I don't see how much lower on the ladder you can start at Marvel. In the UFC he's starting in the undercard, so again not the same. Had he went in and wrote Spidey and headlined UFC then it would be the same as his issue with The Rock, but it's not so it isn't.

Most comic book writers don't start at Marvel or DC, and they damn sure don't have work just offered to them when they have no background in writing whatsoever. What you're missing is that just getting a writing gig at Marvel is like getting a spot on a Wrestlemania card. There a LOTS of talented writers that never get their foot in the door at Marvel or DC.

Same goes for UFC, guys work their asses off and have at least a couple amateur and professional fights before getting to the UFC. Punk has no background whatsoever in combat sports. Even Brock and Kimbo slice had at least on MMA match before getting to UFC and they had backgrounds in boxing and amateur wrestling.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I don't care how long he was gone, he's still a bigger star than virtually everyone else on the roster. If the guys currently on the roster were as big they'd have a legit gripe, but they simply weren't.

As for Rock vs Hogan they were supposed to be the main event. HHH talked Vince out of it even though Jericho said at the time it was a bad idea.



Most comic book writers don't start at Marvel or DC, and they damn sure don't have work just offered to them when they have no background in writing whatsoever. What you're missing is that just getting a writing gig at Marvel is like getting a spot on a Wrestlemania card. There a LOTS of talented writers that never get their foot in the door at Marvel or DC.

Same goes for UFC, guys work their asses off and have at least a couple amateur and professional fights before getting to the UFC. Punk has no background whatsoever in combat sports. Even Brock and Kimbo slice had at least on MMA match before getting to UFC and they had backgrounds in boxing and amateur wrestling.

That's irrelevant to the fact he could have been used in the secondary main event, same as Hogan did, no one gave a flying **** about his match with Cena anyway, it had zero heat come the match time. How are any of these guys on the roster ever going to become a draw if you tell your audience they matter less than some actor who doesn't give a **** about the business? Perception is reality in wrestling, that was Punk's point and he was right.

Punk has trained with the Gracie family for years, just because he has never fought competitively doesn't mean he has no training, and White wouldn't let him get in there unless he could. The point you are missing if that Punk never said novelty acts like Rock and Mayweather shouldn't work a Mania, he said they shouldn't main event, and he's right, same as he is not getting a main event book at Marvel or a main event spot at UFC.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Although Punk has trained with the Gracie Family, there are still people in MMA and the UFC who won't take him seriously.

 

[Dr. Evil]

the Rock main evented? I thought Roman Reigns did?

 

[Wheels]

Rock main evented two Manias with Cena because WWE doesn't create stars anymore, and they band-aid the issue by using guys they made back when they knew what they were doing.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The UFC has done a better job at creating new stars than WWE in the last five years. Ronda Rousey, Conor McGregor, Daniel Cormier, Jon Jones, Fabricio Werdum, Meisha Tate.

Dana White doesn't have to rely on Chuck Liddell or Tito Ortiz or Randy Couture to carry his PPV events. Also older vets like Josh Barnett, Frank Mir, Rashad Evans, Roy Nelson, Andrei Arlovski to name a few fight on the undercard. They don't fight for titles anymore.

 

[Warhammer]

That's irrelevant to the fact he could have been used in the secondary main event, same as Hogan did, no one gave a flying **** about his match with Cena anyway, it had zero heat come the match time. How are any of these guys on the roster ever going to become a draw if you tell your audience they matter less than some actor who doesn't give a **** about the business? Perception is reality in wrestling, that was Punk's point and he was right.

I know this isn't an uncommon perception but do you resent Rock for leaving to become an actor? Main event or title holder be damned (and I agree with you 100% that it wasn't best for business to headline twice or hold the title), I'm 99% sure Rock cares a lot about the business or else he wouldn't keep coming back time and time again, let alone wrestle. I'd even wager that Rock cared so much, when Vinny Mac asked him to put the boots back on, he did it because he didn't want to say no and even worked his schedule around live events.

That's definitely giving a **** about the business, Hunter.

Punk has trained with the Gracie family for years, just because he has never fought competitively doesn't mean he has no training, and White wouldn't let him get in there unless he could. The point you are missing if that Punk never said novelty acts like Rock and Mayweather shouldn't work a Mania, he said they shouldn't main event, and he's right, same as he is not getting a main event book at Marvel or a main event spot at UFC.

Training with the Gracie family for years is unproven good will. That is why some MMA fighters and fans have a problem with the signing. Many MMA fighters have multiple fight professional records and would scratch and claw to have a UFC match. It doesn't matter if it is in the undercard or preliminaries. Saying "well, at least he isn't in the main event" undercuts the entire sport. CM Punk was handed a multi-fight contract with no fights and/or no major mixed martial arts accolades. That's the problem some have. It was based on merit in another organization because there is nobody else on the planet that could have "years of training with the Gracie family" and have Dana White reach out and sign him.

 

[chamber-music]

Wrestling forum or Wrestlezone?

Wrestling forum is full of dudes obsessed with muscles and care little about anything else.
These guys would be better off watching body building shows. They are idiots that don't understand human proportions and biology.

 

[nite-owl]

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Is the Rated R era back?

 

[nite-owl]

Spoilers for New Japan.

Spoiler

Tetsuya Naito just won the IWGP title.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Wrestling forum is full of dudes obsessed with muscles and care little about anything else.
These guys would be better off watching body building shows. They are idiots that don't understand human proportions and biology.

Its why I left that forum years ago.