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[The Sage]

- Thanks to Rory for passing along word that WWE has announced the following Superstar appearances for SummerSlam Axxess on August 13th and 14th from the Nokia Plaza at LA Live in Los Angeles, California.

VIP SCHEDULE

Saturday, August 13:

* Meet WWE Superstar The Miz from 11:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m.
* Meet WWE Superstar Triple H from 1:00 p.m. - 3:00 p.m.
* Meet WWE Superstar Randy Orton from 4:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.
* Meet WWE Superstar John Cena from 6:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m.

Sunday, August 14:

* Meet WWE Superstar Rey Mysterio from 11:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m.
* Meet WWE Superstar Edge from 1:00 p.m. - 3:00 p.m.

SCHEDULE & APPEARANCES

Saturday, 11:00 a.m. - 3:00 p.m. Appearances by Alberto Del Rio, Sin Cara, Evan Bourne, Wade Barrett, Kofi Kingston, Sheamus, Hornswoggle, John Morrison, The Bellas, Beth Phoenix, Kelly Kelly, and more!

Saturday, 4:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m. Appearances by Cody Rhodes, Mark Henry, Jack Swagger, AJ, Hornswoggle, Dolph Ziggler, Eve, Vickie Guererro, Kaitlyn and more!Sunday, 12:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.Appearances by Sheamus, Kofi Kingston, R-Truth, Santino Marella, Mark Henry, Sin Cara, Dolph Ziggler, AJ, Katilyn, Alicia Fox, Beth Phoenix, and more!

- Stan sent word that there was 40 minutes and 2 seconds on last night's episode of RAW from Las Vegas.

- As noted before, WWE said on RAW*** that Mason Ryan was injured over the weekend but he didn't work any live events. F4Wonline.com reports that Ryan has suffered an injury out of the ring and will be away anywhere from six weeks to six months.

http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/311305652.php

I don't wanna say Batista 2.0 indeed with Mason Ryan's injury, but it recalls times when Batista was injury prone.

 

[Superark]

Exactly, it took them actually catching up with the WWE to be seen as relevant. After WCW got big guys like DDP, Hogan and Bret got on some talk shows. If you are talking about before then, well guys like Luger and Flair were relevant within the fanbase and you have to remember the NWA drew huge in it's heyday, and these weren't cast offs, they were synonymous with a promotion that drew before the split from the NWA.

Oh come on, who would watch any of the recent Raws more than once?

Is he really going to compete in the Olympics?

That's exactly what I'm talking about! Relevant among within fanbase, which Kurt is. WWE it's self isn't really relevant outside the fanbase anymore. The current viewers are the fans who will always watch. WWE, and TNA, don't have the audience of the 80's and 90's boom periods, which consisted of people who became new fans due to Hogan, nWo, and Austin. Those fans gradually left when the writing went down hill and the boom was over.

NWA stopped being a huge by the late 80's because WWF took over with Rock & Wrestling. But would you say Sting was irrelevant to the business and fanbase? I don't think so. Like you said, within the fanbase and the business he mattered. It's the same with Kurt.

LOL I can barely stomach any of the wrestling shows these days!

Yea he is said to really be training for it with his nephew. Whether he does well enough in the trials and makes the team is another matter altogether.

 

[Superark]

What did Punk say to get Angle to challenge him AFTER Punk did something on this level?

He took a shot at him on twitter by calling Angle a "sloppy drunk *****e" for claiming his twitter was hack in regards to the "Orton stealing Angle's moves" comments.

 

[NDX]

-As noted before, WWE said on RAW*** that Mason Ryan was injured over the weekend but he didn't work any live events. F4Wonline.com reports that Ryan has suffered an injury out of the ring and will be away anywhere from six weeks to six months.

What the hell did FAUXtista do?

He took a shot at him on twitter by calling Angle a "sloppy drunk *****e" for claiming his twitter was hack in regards to the "Orton stealing Angle's moves" comments.

Oh, right. The truth.

 

[Superark]

Oh, right. The truth.

I commented on here several months back when Punk made that comment about Angle that Punk would get on his bad side and looks like I was right.

It's amazing to see the twitter response in the industry (and even some outside of it like Bill Corgan) to Punk. If WWE doesn't offer him whatever he wants and take advantage of what they have in this moment, they're crazy!

 

[Hunter Rider]

That's exactly what I'm talking about! Relevant among within fanbase, which Kurt is. WWE it's self isn't really relevant outside the fanbase anymore. The current viewers are the fans who will always watch. WWE, and TNA, don't have the audience of the 80's and 90's boom periods, which consisted of people who became new fans due to Hogan, nWo, and Austin. Those fans gradually left when the writing went down hill and the boom was over.

NWA stopped being a huge by the late 80's because WWF took over with Rock & Wrestling. But would you say Sting was irrelevant to the business and fanbase? I don't think so. Like you said, within the fanbase and the business he mattered. It's the same with Kurt.

WWE is still relevant enough to get actors of some standing in their movies, to bring back a guy who just starred in a film that grossed over a half billion dollars, they can also still sell out big arenas acroos the world, that's more than just the hardcore fans.

I also wouldn't class WCW and WCW the same. WCW guys were creations of their own before Hogan and the promotion was viewed in a different light to TNA, so I wouldn't class Kurt with Sting in early 90's WCW. I guess Kurt is relevant as far as TNA's fans go, but he isn't relevant in the same way as John Cena or Randy Orton say.

LOL I can barely stomach any of the wrestling shows these days!

It's a bad time for the business, no doubt about that man.

Yea he is said to really be training for it with his nephew. Whether he does well enough in the trials and makes the team is another matter altogether.

I hate to be cynical but I'd be surprised if this didn't end up with Angle making a big excuse.

 

[Superark]

WWE is still relevant enough to get actors of some standing in their movies, to bring back a guy who just starred in a film that grossed over a half billion dollars, they can also still sell out big arenas acroos the world, that's more than just the hardcore fans.

I also wouldn't class WCW and WCW the same. WCW guys were creations of their own before Hogan and the promotion was viewed in a different light to TNA, so I wouldn't class Kurt with Sting in early 90's WCW. I guess Kurt is relevant as far as TNA's fans go, but he isn't relevant in the same way as John Cena or Randy Orton say.



It's a bad time for the business, no doubt about that man.



I hate to be cynical but I'd be surprised if this didn't end up with Angle making a big excuse.

I'm always a little skeptical when it comes to all of Kurts claims, since most of them don't ever come to fruition. But as of now he is said to be truly training, which tells you how nuts that guy is. I can see him going through with it, since amature wrestling is his passion and he's always wanted to try out for the Olympics one more time. I just don't think he'll have the success he hope for give his age and wear and tear. Amature wrestling is the most grueling sport in the world.

 

[Wheels]

CM Punk is a 90s Attitude Era wrestler in the modern PG era. If that makes any sense. He appeared five years or so after he was supposed to.

I pretty much agree with that.

I think Punk showed the doubters why he's the best all around performer in wrestling right now. Which is somthing alot people around here said well before last night. Punk showed why he's better than all the rest of the younger talent last night. The only guy who comes close is Cena, and that's if he's let off the chain.

 

[The Sage]

Again, some re-posting of tweets from earlier, but with new ones:

- Numerous people have commented on the CM Punk promo on Raw:

Seth Rollins: "Amazing. Amazing. Amazing. @cmpunk holy f***. One more shout out to @cmpunk. I've always drawn comparisons to him, which is very flattering, but we are our own men. I'll have my time, but right now is his. Very excited for the future."

Kurt Angle: "CM Punk had classic promo last night. Good for Him. But if U ever say another word about Me again, Ur toast! If U don't believe Me, try Me!"

Tommy Dreamer: "Just watched @cmpunk promo. FN GREAT. WWE has everyone talking. Could actually create their own competition. Kudos 2 Punk & VKM b different"

Zach Gowen: "WWE shoulda gave @CMPunk the ball a long time ago. Dude connects with people on a whole other level. Mad love for punk. Outta this world."

Shane Helms: "And @CMPunk took his own "Rocket to the Moon" tonight!! I'm gonna have a drink in his honor! A big glass of Pepsi! "

Batista: "well im embarrassed to say that i seem to be the only loser in the world that didn't see the cmpunk promo!! so my goal of the day is to see it. i was watching Pawn Stars. love me some Chumley!! heard he raised HELL though!!! i have house envy because of Punk by the way!"

Blue Meanie: "Just saw the @CMPunk end of RAW on YT. TREMENDOUS! Punks is 1 of the best on the mic. Congrats to #ColtCabana and #ROH for the shoutouts! WWE should let Punk go back to ROH with the WWE to play up the "I left" angle and eventually come back. WWE could give ROH a rub as a shot TNA as they did with ECW vs. WCW. They could do a "state of the WWE belt" and show Punk on ROH shows with the belt. There's so many cool things they could do. Not only for the storyline but also help a ROH get some good pub. Wrestling needs more companies to make it."

Shad Gaspard: "@CMPunk God DAMN I love you brotha!"

Trish Stratus: "Sorry @joeystyles but @cmpunk on #Raw...OMG! What did y'all think of that?"

Maria Kanellis: "After seeing the events of today. I have to say some people are THE BEST IN THE WORLD...."

MVP: "My verdict after watching the @CMPunk promo, he just had his Austin 3:16 moment. Don't f**k this one up @wwe.
DEEP SOUTH WRESTLING Heyman: Hey man, let's take a walk outside. ME: sure. Conversation ensues. 2 weeks later shoot promo on creative team. 2 more weeks pass, MVP gets called up & does his 1st vignette. YES! I too, am a Heyman guy!"

JBL: "CM Punk's promo-shoot or work? Who cares? When you are so good that you can put that doubt in viewers minds you have done your job very well"

JBL Via his Facebook: "I haven't watched a wrestling program since well before I left WWE 2+ years ago. Heard about CM Punk's promo and watched it this morning-WOW! That was awesome, as good as I have ever seen. I worked with CM when he first became champ-really enjoyed it and really happy to see what a stud he has become. When you can put doubt as to whether shoot or work-you have done your job very well!"

Shawn Michaels: "Gettin ready 2 head home. 2 words 4 @CMPunk- thata boy. Felt like old times. Anywho, back 2 my normal life, tweet u on touchdown"

Chavo Guerrero: "Did u see @CmPunk promo last night? WOW! If all those things are being said by a guy being used...think how I feel! Good Job Punk! Work or shoot, @CmPunk 's promo was true. I know Punk & half if not all of that promo was off the cuff. Cm Punk has always done things his Way, and for that I admire him. Kudos Punker! "

Bill DeMott: "CMPUNK put the lockerroom on notice...you better be #willing to step up! Things just got very real.who is #willing to take a chance?"

Taz: "Punk did a great job & I always liked him when we were in wwe together and his work! But I must say There r many of us who were NEVER pushed to the level Punk was & were NEVER allowed to shoot like that, he's lucky he was allowed to do that But it was very strong & real!! I liked a lot! Good stuff Punk!"

Credit: PWInsider

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/n...ople-Comment-on-CM-Punk\\s-Promo-from-Raw.htm

 

[Superark]

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[The Sage]

I pretty much agree with that.

I think Punk showed the doubters why he's the best all around performer in wrestling right now. Which is somthing alot people around here said well before last night. Punk showed why he's better than all the rest of the younger talent last night. The only guy who comes close is Cena, and that's if he's let the chain.

He really is. I'd say the other ones like him who's close to his level are Cena, Orton, and Christian.

Also, Punk's promo really shows just how much better going non scripted is. It sounds more genuine. First Rock showed it when he returned back in February, then Austin, and now CM Punk. Why hasn't it clicked backstage yet?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Just caught it myself. Punk's a BEAST.

 

[NDX]

Source: wrestlingheadnews.com


Former WWE Star Kenn Doane (Spirit Squad member Kenny) has spent the last few days calling out new Twitter member & former WWE and World Champion Dave (Batista) Bautista (@Real_DBautista)♥with no response on Twitter. Here are a few of Kenny’s (@KennDoane) tweets……

“@Real_DBautista u train everyday, i train everyday. Let me be your first mma fight.”

“@Real_DBautista nobody wants to see u and tank abbott.”

“Is @Real_DBautista getting the message? We need to keep letting him know i wanna fight him.”

“Batista cud beat dykstra anyday in a wwe ring. But dave bautista cud not beat kenn doane in a cage. No offense to dave i do like him alot.”

“I still want @Real_DBautista come on davey…..”

“Waiting on @Real_DBautista to accept my mma challenge. Fans want it right?? I know i do.”

“Great day of training. Come on @Real_DBautista lets do this bro.”

This went on for days with not even an utterance from Bautista. Finally moments ago, Bautista drew “his line in the sand” with these comments…..

“what’s more pathetic???? people tryin to weasel their way into your pockets or people starved for attention??? answer…people who are both.”♥♥

“i am represented by Cesar Gracie in everything MMA related. for anyone who wants to set something up instead of posturing up on Twitter”


In the past, Kenny Doane♥has tried to stir up heat/publicity for himself on the social network, at one time even threatening to do a run in on TNA programming even though he isn’t signed to the company. More as it develops.

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People should take IQ tests before they can join these social networking sites.

 

[Nemi]

Source: wrestlingheadnews.com


Former WWE Star Kenn Doane (Spirit Squad member Kenny) has spent the last few days calling out new Twitter member & former WWE and World Champion Dave (Batista) Bautista (@Real_DBautista)♥with no response on Twitter. Here are a few of Kenny’s (@KennDoane) tweets……

“@Real_DBautista u train everyday, i train everyday. Let me be your first mma fight.”

“@Real_DBautista nobody wants to see u and tank abbott.”

“Is @Real_DBautista getting the message? We need to keep letting him know i wanna fight him.”

“Batista cud beat dykstra anyday in a wwe ring. But dave bautista cud not beat kenn doane in a cage. No offense to dave i do like him alot.”

“I still want @Real_DBautista come on davey…..”

“Waiting on @Real_DBautista to accept my mma challenge. Fans want it right?? I know i do.”

“Great day of training. Come on @Real_DBautista lets do this bro.”

This went on for days with not even an utterance from Bautista. Finally moments ago, Bautista drew “his line in the sand” with these comments…..

“what’s more pathetic???? people tryin to weasel their way into your pockets or people starved for attention??? answer…people who are both.”♥♥

“i am represented by Cesar Gracie in everything MMA related. for anyone who wants to set something up instead of posturing up on Twitter”


In the past, Kenny Doane♥has tried to stir up heat/publicity for himself on the social network, at one time even threatening to do a run in on TNA programming even though he isn’t signed to the company. More as it develops.

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People should take IQ tests before they can join these social networking sites.

This is what Kurt reminded me of with that comment he made, someone who is just trying to get attention on himself.

 

[T-1000 2.0]

He really is. I'd say the other ones like him who's close to his level are Cena, Orton, and Christian.

Also, Punk's promo really shows just how much better going non scripted is. It sounds more genuine. First Rock showed it when he returned back in February, then Austin, and now CM Punk. Why hasn't it clicked backstage yet?

I really don't think it has as much to do with WWE wanting to go scripted and more with since 2006-2010 there has not been really anyone who I feel could step up to that unscripted level. I mean now you have guys like Punk and Miz who I feel have the great mic skills but before 2010 when they really only had the same 5 people in the ME you did not have anyone else who could really speak their mind without stuttering or pausing to think of something.


Now WWE is pushing the right people, not just the 6'5 310 pounders with no ring skill or mic skill. They are pushing real talent which is what they did during the attitude era. At least this is how I see it.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Is he really going to compete in the Olympics?

He says he is, but lets hope he doesn't say he's going to be the biggest star there because that would be a boldface lie.

 

[T-1000 2.0]

Also no offense to Dave, but if I were him I would just go back to WWE. His MMA career is going to end fast. I mean the guy is 40 going in with almost what a year and a half’s worth of training up against guys who are 20 with double that training and fight time. You tell me how that's going to go.

 

[Nemi]

Are guys in FCW allowed to cut their own promos or do they get a script?

 

[T-1000 2.0]

Are guys in FCW allowed to cut their own promos or do they get a script?

I think in FCW it is even more strict as they are really drilling the WWE rules into these guys.

 

[Metallo]

That's fair enough, but I think it is the common train of thought within the business and the mainstream fanbase. I mean how often do TNA guys get on any of the big talk shows in the US?

Looks to me like people choose to watch Raw in it's different slots and the total number is higher, TNA seems to only have one slot.

I think Angle at least had a drug problem, but he is erratic and likely to do something that the PGWWE wont want to deal with at some point.

Of course, today WWE is nowhere near as relevant to the general public as the WWE/WWF of the past wasy.

The fact that a lot of people STILL call it the WWF in the year 2011 says it all really.

Cena hasn't transcended the business the way Hogan or Austin did. Thats why its sometimes laughable when WWE tries to push him as a guy with an aura on that level.

25 years ago LOTS of guys where household names. Savage wasn't even the top guy and everyone knew him. Ask a non fan why the number 2 guy in WWE is today and they'd have no clue.

WWE is by far the most relevant in the business today but thats like say they are the biggest fly in the room.

Punk spoke the gospel truth last night: today WWE is successful in spite of Vince.

Source: wrestlingheadnews.com


Former WWE Star Kenn Doane (Spirit Squad member Kenny) has spent the last few days calling out new Twitter member & former WWE and World Champion Dave (Batista) Bautista (@Real_DBautista)♥with no response on Twitter. Here are a few of Kenny’s (@KennDoane) tweets……

“@Real_DBautista u train everyday, i train everyday. Let me be your first mma fight.”

“@Real_DBautista nobody wants to see u and tank abbott.”

“Is @Real_DBautista getting the message? We need to keep letting him know i wanna fight him.”

“Batista cud beat dykstra anyday in a wwe ring. But dave bautista cud not beat kenn doane in a cage. No offense to dave i do like him alot.”

“I still want @Real_DBautista come on davey…..”

“Waiting on @Real_DBautista to accept my mma challenge. Fans want it right?? I know i do.”

“Great day of training. Come on @Real_DBautista lets do this bro.”

This went on for days with not even an utterance from Bautista. Finally moments ago, Bautista drew “his line in the sand” with these comments…..

“what’s more pathetic???? people tryin to weasel their way into your pockets or people starved for attention??? answer…people who are both.”♥♥

“i am represented by Cesar Gracie in everything MMA related. for anyone who wants to set something up instead of posturing up on Twitter”


In the past, Kenny Doane♥has tried to stir up heat/publicity for himself on the social network, at one time even threatening to do a run in on TNA programming even though he isn’t signed to the company. More as it develops.

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People should take IQ tests before they can join these social networking sites.

So Kenny is so desperate to get attention since he blew his chance that he's calling people out on twitter? How f***in lame is that?

 

[Nemi]

I think in FCW it is even more strict as they are really drilling the WWE rules into these guys.

I think that might be the real problem. Right now they get everyone from FCW where they are only taught how to read from a script which doesn't work as well. Someone like CM punk walked into WWE already knowing how to cut a promo without a script.

 

[T-1000 2.0]

I think that might be the real problem. Right now they get everyone from FCW where they are only taught how to read from a script which doesn't work as well. Someone like CM punk walked into WWE already knowing how to cut a promo without a script.

Oh I agree 100%. Then I question what was different with OVW. I mean guys like Lesnar and Cena came out of there and well had Lesnar stayed would be the biggest star in the WWE next to Cena (I mean look how admired he is with only a few years in there) and well Cena is the new Hogan. Maybe it was because OVW had Cornette and from what I hear they have him again so that might explain why these guys were more prepped for the WWE than being in FCW.


I mean FCW has a great staff with Dusty, Steamboat, and Joey Mercury, I just don't think they can add what Cornette can.

 

[Wheels]

nvm

 

[Nemi]

Oh I agree 100%. Then I question what was different with OVW. I mean guys like Lesnar and Cena came out of there and well had Lesnar stayed would be the biggest star in the WWE next to Cena (I mean look how admired he is with only a few years in there) and well Cena is the new Hogan. Maybe it was because OVW had Cornette and from what I hear they have him again so that might explain why these guys were more prepped for the WWE than being in FCW.


I mean FCW has a great staff with Dusty, Steamboat, and Joey Mercury, I just don't think they can add what Cornette can.

I think it's cause like you mentioned FCW is so focused on drilling WWE rules into them. They might have the great staff but that staff is probably being paid to turn them into WWE entertainers not wrestlers.

 

[T-1000 2.0]

I think it's cause like you mentioned FCW is so focused on drilling WWE rules into them. They might have the great staff but that staff is probably being paid to turn them into WWE entertainers not wrestlers.

Yeah, I mean when Cornette knows what wrestling is and how to book it. If WWE ever got Heyman and Cornette on their team today they would be gold. No promotion in the world could top that creative gold mine.

Anyway I agree I mean the current trainers are training them the way the WWE wants them trained which is bland. I think now that you have guys like Miz and Punk in the ME they can finally break away from what they have been doing and let them run the show the way they let Austin and the Rock run it back in 1998.