The Wrestling Thread is From the 4th Dimension of Hell! - - - - Part 49

[Van Petrol]

I didn't realize Austin was that obsessed over the top spot, although I do recall The Rock and Triple H both wanting Benoit and Jericho to be added to the WWE title picture and Austin being against it.

Really? I find that kind of hard to believe as Austin seems/seemed to be quite close to the both of them personally, rather than just professionally. And exactly when was this supposed to have gone down? Austin was absent when Trips and the Rock were doing there thing, and once he had returned to the title picture, Rock had gone, Trips was almost playing second fiddle to Austin before he got injured, and Jericho and Benoit then got pushed into the title picture to make up the numbers.

 

[Van Petrol]

On the Rock dvd you are led to believe Rock vs Hogan was the plan from day one. However Rock and Triple H do discuss some of the backstage politics. It's mostly glossed over but it's confirmed everyone was gunning for the number one spot. Austin handed Rock an autographed photo that said something like 'Stone Cold number 1". That's just how Austin liked to autograph but Rock took it more personal. After watching that and some of Austins comments over the years I think he would of wrestled Hogan if he had the chance to do it over again.

The Austin autographing things with '#1' was pretty standard during his Stone Cold character gimmick, I thought it just basically went hand in hand with the demeanour and mentality of the character. Maybe some people are just reading too much into it.

As for the comments, I haven't seen anything as of yet that suggests Austin would go against what he has seemingly always maintained up until now in that he feels his and Hogan's style just wouldn't mesh well together in the ring. There were also other opportunities for an Austin-Hogan match, with mostly all the advances made by Hogan, yet Austin never entertained them.

 

[The Batman]

Really? I find that kind of hard to believe as Austin seems/seemed to be quite close to the both of them personally, rather than just professionally. And exactly was this supposed to hve gone down? Austin was absent when Trips and the Rock were doing there thing, and once he had returned to the title picture, Rock had gone, Trips was almost playing second fiddle to Austin before he got injured, and Jericho and Benoit then got pushed into the tile picture to make up the numbers.

Not only that, but its long been believed that HHH has some sort of bias against Jericho and holds him down because of it. Jericho even mentioned it when commenting on HHH's new backstage duties, so I find it hard to believe Trips wanted him in the ME.

 

[Van Petrol]

^ Oh yeah, and that too.

 

[The Sage]

I can't post it because it has cussing in it, but look up the Taz vs. Bam Bam Bigelow match on Youtube. Holy **** is that one of the best matches I have ever seen!

I think I've seen that one. Is that when they went through the platform that connects to the ring?

 

[The Batman]

Honestly, HHH and Jericho have had 20+ matches against each other, and Trips never put Y2J over in any meaningful way, in fact, I'm not even sure Jericho HAS officially beaten Trips in a match. And the ONE big win Y2J had over Trips was stricken from the record in kayfabe.

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

Yeah I always heard about HHH and Jericho not liking each other too.

I've heard crazy rumors about this like HHH wanted to be the only guy with long, blonde hair on Raw. Also heard that Steph has a crush on Jericho.

 

[E-Man]

I think I've seen that one. Is that when they went through the platform that connects to the ring?

Yep. It was such a crazy moment. Just watching it now I marked out like crazy when I saw it.

 

[Kaleb]

 

[The Sage]

Not only that, but its long been believed that HHH has some sort of bias against Jericho and holds him down because of it. Jericho even mentioned it when commenting on HHH's new backstage duties, so I find it hard to believe Trips wanted him in the ME.

Jericho and Triple H had issues with one another starting with the day Jericho came into the company, according to Jericho's book Undisputed.

I wouldn't be surprised that Triple H wanted Benoit in the main-event. He seemed like and respect him a lot, so much so that he later on put him over clean for the belt.

 

[spidey-dude]

What condition is that spidey? I must have missed this.

it's called gynocomastia, it is impossible to get rid of other than with surgery which is why the rock still had it despite being in peak physical condition. I know a few lads from school who had it and the subsequent operation too, but I was the only one who was open about it all, but alot of people get teased for it etc... so like I said cena can **** himself

 

[Van Petrol]

it's called gynocomastia, it is impossible to get rid of other than with surgery which is why the rock still had it despite being in peak physical condition. I know a few lads from school who had it and the subsequent operation too, but I was the only one who was open about it all, but alot of people get teased for it etc... so like I said cena can **** himself

Oh, ok mate. Sorry to hear about that.

 

[Van Petrol]

Yeah I always heard about HHH and Jericho not liking each other too.

I've heard crazy rumors about this like HHH wanted to be the only guy with long, blonde hair on Raw. Also heard that Steph has a crush on Jericho.

Lol, I remember this one making the rounds when some of the wrestlers with long blonde hair started getting it cut short (i.e. Christian and Test).

I also remember at one point hearing that he also wanted everybody backstage to start wearing suits, once he had started doing it during his 'Player' and 'Evolution' stints.

 

[TDK Joker]

I'm imagining the sad walking music from Arrested Development/Snoopy (you can choose which one you'd prefer)

 

[spidey-dude]

Oh, ok mate. Sorry to hear about that.

no need to be sorry, noone would rip on me cause I was in the rugby team and one of the lads.... but some of the others guys did - anyway I had my op when I was 16 and have had small pecs since

 

[Van Petrol]

no need to be sorry, noone would rip on me cause I was in the rugby team and one of the lads.... but some of the others guys did - anyway I had my op when I was 16 and have had small pecs since

No it's cool mate, I'm just sorry for yours and your other fellow friends unfortunate situation, and because I'm completely against and despise those who make fun out of others misfortunes. I myself have a 'shall we say' odd-looking/deformed-looking sort of chest due to a birth defect, and have had fun poked at myself due to it. Doctors have said I could have an op to fix it, but I didn't want it as it doesn't affect my physical abilties and performance, I couldn't give a rat's backside what others think, and I'm happy with how I am.

Basically I'm just saying I can sympathise, and I'm with you in regards to Cena's comments.

 

[Slushy]

I'm not even sure Jericho HAS officially beaten Trips in a match

He beat him once on Smackdown in 2002, but it took a distraction from The Undertaker in order for Jericho to capitalize and finally pin Helmsley with a roll-up.

Re: Austin

I noticed Stone Cold gets a pass from a lot of fans because he saved the WWF, which I suppose is reasonable, but Austin is almost as bad as Hogan when it comes to politics. He just hasn't been caught / reported as much. He supposedly:

- Refused to work a program with Jeff Jarrett in 1999 because he still harbored bad feelings due to a falling out that happened during Austin's day in Jerry Jarrett's promotion. I know many aren't fans of JJ, but working with Austin could've made him a legit main eventer.

- Refused to drop the title to Triple H at SummerSlam 1999 because he thought Hunter wasn't ready.

- Ended his 2001 fantastic heel run prematurely because he was losing out on money.

- Refused to lose clean to Chris Jericho at Vengeance 2001, which wouldn't have been so bad if Y2J's win over The Rock right before hadn't been because of interference also.

- Refused to lose to Triple H at Wrestlemania 18 in the original planned main event (A former WWE writer confirmed this) so we got lackluster Y2J / HHH and Austin / Hall matches instead.

- Refused to job to Brock Lesnar. I can see Stone Cold's point of view on this, but then even Hulk Hogan put Brock over.

- Left Eddie Guerrero high and dry by walking out when they were supposed to work a program together that winded up never happening. I guess Austin felt he was too good to be a mid-carder.

- Refused to work the dream match with Hulk Hogan because of a grudge

- Didn't work a match for Wrestlemania 25, which disappointed A LOT of people. He could've easily put over Cena or Orton if he wanted to.

- wants CM Punk to be the heel if they do work together next year because IMO Austin is afraid of getting out cheered.

 

[Warhammer]

Damn, I never knew Austin took part in the politics. Good read, Blackheart.

Btw, does anyone know if Cena was supposed to mention Rock's gynocomastia? It seems pretty f***ed up really if Cena just said that. Yeah, the feud has been heated but that's a legitimate medical condition. And hell, I didn't even know about it until Monday night.

 

[Van Petrol]

Re: Austin

I noticed Stone Cold gets a pass from a lot of fans because he saved the WWF, which I suppose is reasonable, but Austin is almost as bad as Hogan when it comes to politics. He just hasn't been caught / reported as much. He supposedly:

I don't condone any of the negative things he does, but I find it the oppostie actually amongst a lot of people, where people try to outline Austin's underhand tactics and discourage him when there are numerous others who are worse, but are seemingly overlooked and get a free pass.

Seeing as though he and the Rock are my two faves I do have that bias and feel the need to try and defend them on a somewhat level playing ground when they are discouraged, persecuted and made to look worse than some of the other politicians and/or dirty players, so to speak. It's sort of the same with people's feeling towards Shawn Michaels, for example if you get what I mean.

Personally, I felt Austin was starting to get the rough end of the stick at the end of his career, where Triple H for example was starting to get all the perks due to his *ahem* affiliation with the family business. I guess he was just looking out and after his own interests, in an often cut-throat business.

 

[The Batman]

Personally, I felt Austin was starting to get the rough end of the stick at the end of his career, where Triple H for example was starting to get all the perks due to his *ahem* affiliation with the family business. I guess he was just looking out and after his own interests, in an often cut-throat business.

this. i just realized:

2002 austin=being booked like orton is now

2002 rock= john cena

2002 triple h= sheamus right now

 

[The Sage]

Except Sheamus is a much better 2002 Triple H than Triple H was.

He beat him once on Smackdown in 2002, but it took a distraction from The Undertaker in order for Jericho to capitalize and finally pin Helmsley with a roll-up.

Re: Austin

I noticed Stone Cold gets a pass from a lot of fans because he saved the WWF, which I suppose is reasonable, but Austin is almost as bad as Hogan when it comes to politics. He just hasn't been caught / reported as much. He supposedly:

Some of these points I've heard but some I argue with:

- Refusing to lose to Triple H at Wrestlemania 18: Are you sure this is true, even by a former writer? Because I thought the plan was Austin vs Hogan until Austin said he wouldn't do it, and Rock was slid in his place.

- I don't think he left Eddie Guerrero high and dry because he was a midcarder. I had read that Austin requested to work with Eddie. The problem is that this feud happened around the time Austin refused to put over Brock on RAW. So he killed two ideas with one action.

 

[The Batman]

Except Sheamus is a much better 2002 Triple H than Triple H was.

Lol. I do get a HHH type of vibe from Sheamus...hopefully, sheamus wont be as political, though.

 

[Wheels]

That Austin heel turn stuff is hardly that big a deal. Austin is the one who wanted to turn heel because he thought his character was stale. The majority of people still wanted to cheer Austin. Also, Jarrett is the only one who cares that Austin didn't work with him. Was anybody clamoring to see Jarrett as a main eventer? The rest of the list are I will agree with.

 

[Metallo]

He beat him once on Smackdown in 2002, but it took a distraction from The Undertaker in order for Jericho to capitalize and finally pin Helmsley with a roll-up.

Re: Austin

I noticed Stone Cold gets a pass from a lot of fans because he saved the WWF, which I suppose is reasonable, but Austin is almost as bad as Hogan when it comes to politics. He just hasn't been caught / reported as much. He supposedly:

Of course Austin has politicking. VERY few top guys haven't politicking. Its the nature of the beast. Sad but true. Wasn't always easy to make him job but I think when he felt it was right he was willing. But he was never quite as bad as Hogan.

Hogan's behind the scenes tactics were ridiculous schemes for manipulation. Like putting Kidman over when he knew he'd never get over or purposely missing or returning to a big Nitro when he knew ratings would be up or down so he could take the credit for it.

He siphoned off Savage's heat in 88/89, changed his mind on working with Bret Hart, possibly tried to tarnish the ending of Starrcade 96, and did his fair share to damage Goldberg.

- Refused to work a program with Jeff Jarrett in 1999 because he still harbored bad feelings due to a falling out that happened during Austin's day in Jerry Jarrett's promotion. I know many aren't fans of JJ, but working with Austin could've made him a legit main eventer.

Can't blame Austin for this one. Jarrett was never gonna be a top guy in WWF. He was a good hand in the ring and a decent promo but he was .always missing something

When Jeff Jarretts own FATHER and a veteran mind in this business says his son was missing something I'll believe him over just about anyone. Austin probably knew it would be a waste of time

- Ended his 2001 fantastic heel run prematurely because he was losing out on money.

Can't really blame him on this one either. In the end the business IS about making money and he had a limited window to do it in because of his neck and his legs.

- Left Eddie Guerrero high and dry by walking out when they were supposed to work a program together that winded up never happening. I guess Austin felt he was too good to be a mid-carder.

I think even he'd admit now that walking out the way he did wasn't the professional thing to do.

- Refused to work the dream match with Hulk Hogan because of a grudge

Can't blame him for this one either. I'd be VERY wary of doing business with Hogan even if I was a top guy. Hogan didn't have as much stroke in 2002 but we all saw what he did to HBK in 2005. Right after that he went into business for himself and teased a match with Austin before Austin had ever agreed to any such thing.

We still could have maybe had it but Hogan killed any chance in 2005 with his ego.

 

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So Psych's Roday was in character as Shawn last night on Raw? I must YouTube this...