The Wrestling Thread is From the 4th Dimension of Hell! - - - - Part 49

[bullets]

The Austin autographing things with '#1' was pretty standard during his Stone Cold character gimmick, I thought it just basically went hand in hand with the demeanor and mentality of the character. Maybe some people are just reading too much into it.

Rock read too much into it , lol.

As for the comments, I haven't seen anything as of yet that suggests Austin would go against what he has seemingly always maintained up until now in that he feels his and Hogan's style just wouldn't mesh well together in the ring. There were also other opportunities for an Austin-Hogan match, with mostly all the advances made by Hogan, yet Austin never entertained them.

I think Hogan started making advances because he knew Austin wouldn't go for it. Apparently they have some issues and I think Hogan doesn't want to look like the bad guy. However these are some interesting comments from Stone Cold on the subject:

Stone Cold: I've heard Hulk Hogan mention my name several times in interviews. It could be with Hogan. I have so much respect for him and what he's done in his career. Bottom line, we've both sold a lot of tickets over our careers and I could wrestle Hulk Hogan any day of the week and would really enjoy it. If I have a match in me I could easily see it being with Hulk Hogan.
http://sports.ign.com/articles/612/612001p1.html


You know I’m hearing Hulk is talking about getting back in the ring, even though his back is messed up. He was a big guy and all that wear and tear takes a toll on the back and the bigger the guy, the harder it is. But more power to him if he thinks he’s fit to step in the ring. He’s the immortal and only Hulkster, so ultimately he knows his body best. I respect whatever decision he makes.
I never thought I’d say it, but when I’m asked about one more match these days I do tend to say ‘never say never’. So don’t rule it out. I sometimes wish Hogan and I had a run. Imagine how good that could have been? Given the chance I’d have loved to have faced legends like Harley Race, Nick Bockwinkle and Andre the Giant. Those guys in their prime and me in mine would have been great.”
http://www.tnastars.com/2010/10/07/stone-cold-steve-austin-talks-comeback-wrestling-hulk-hogan-tna/

 

[The Sage]

That's really just a matter of opinion. Personally I think we should have a Rock themed thread title. I mean he's going to gone soon anyway, so we won't get any Rock lines for awhile

Guys, the current thread title is from the promo he cut last week in Boston, the very first one when he's trash talking Cena's merchandise.

-- Multiple sources have confirmed to the Pro Wrestling Torch that there is legitimate tension between Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson and John Cena, which reflects in their war of words. Furthermore, Vince McMahon is doing nothing to stop it as he and those in upper management love the conflict.

As in the past, McMahon enjoys seeing top stars challenge other. He feels the audience will sense real friction between two wrestlers, thus furthering interest in the match he's trying to sell. In the case of Johnson and Cena, the top circle likes that fans are sensing their friction and believing that they may legitimately come to blows at WrestleMania XXVIII.


-- WREG-TV in Memphis, Tennessee profiled "The Ugandan Giant" Kamala on his career and health issues. After having is leg amputated late last year, the legendary wrestler now uses a wheelchair and is learning to use a prosthetic leg. However, he doesn't want his fans to feel sorry for him.

"Don't think of me as oh, please help me. I want them to think of me as uplifting," he says. "That's the way I want them to think of me."

http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/333709492.php

 

[spidey-dude]

I think I might have that aswell. I mean I'm a big guy and all but I'm not that fat. I seen guys bigger than me with pecks and not man boobs like what I have. My mom was talking about years ago about to have surgery for me but never did.

you might dude, apparently it's far more common than people realise and affects a large amount of men but there is literally no awareness for it at all, comments like Cenas are detrimental to any awareness that might exist as people may feel it is something to be ashamed about and not seek medical attention - over here it is recognised as a proper condition and can be treated for free on the NHS

 

[Wheels]

Sage, thats true I had forgotten that was a Rock line. Really Rock's stuff has been completely forgetable to me lately but what do I know? I mean there are those that think he's been on fire.

 

[Wheels]

Just curious but how would you guys break Ziggler away from Vickie? It seems like you would pretty have to turn him face.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Just curious but how would you guys break Ziggler away from Vickie? It seems like you would pretty have to turn him face.

Another way is for Vicky to be put out of action for a while, maybe she takes a bad bump while trying to interfere in a match, or gets beaten up by Tamina. Then we don't see her on TV for at least 6 weeks, and Dolph goes it alone but neither he nor the commentators mention that she used to be his manager past the first 7 days or so.

By WWE terms, that's enough time for past continuity to be effectively erased. Vicky can come back in a different capacity, maybe managing Kharma or something, or in a quasi-GM role.

 

[SuperFerret]

On a side note: I'll admit I have no idea or any real insight/knowledge in regards to Punk's personal history and his father so no offence meant, but is the alcholic thing true/real? I presumed it was just a work.

Personally, ridiculing a misfortune, defect or problem in regards to a person's health, body and/or well-being through no fault of their own, I find to be equally offensive.

But like you say, to each his own.

The big thing here is that this misfortune, defect or problem is purely cosmetic in nature (though it itself can be caused by actual health problems), and is only a misfortune or problem due to childish jabs like Cena's "boobies" remark.

It's not like he was making fun of something harmful.

My thing is i'm 100% sure CM Punk agreed to let his alcoholic father be part of the angle. With the Cena thing, it seems like a shoot, which makes it f***ed up. With the reports of legit animosity between those two as well as unplanned digs at each other, it just seemed like a shoot.

Well, that's a different thing, but again, alcoholism can get to be life threatening. Gynecomastia by itself isn't.

That's really where I'd draw the line if I was the type to.

 

[spidey-dude]

The big thing here is that this misfortune, defect or problem is purely cosmetic in nature (though it itself can be caused by actual health problems), and is only a misfortune or problem due to childish jabs like Cena's "boobies" remark.

It's not like he was making fun of something harmful.



Well, that's a different thing, but again, alcoholism can get to be life threatening. Gynecomastia by itself isn't.

That's really where I'd draw the line if I was the type to.

for me the limit is something that is out of someones control - I don't like to take the piss out of something that someone has no control over, thats just me mind

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

I wonder if Punk is going to dig up something about Jericho?

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

I wonder if Punk is going to dig up something about Jericho?

The only Jericho dirt I can think of is when he punched a woman a couple years ago when he was trying to get to his car.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

The only Jericho dirt I can think of is when he punched a woman a couple years ago when he was trying to get to his car.

That'd be great to use or bringing up that Punk bailed Jericho.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Quick question, if you could book any match to main event a PPV between any 2 fully active wrestlers working today, what would it be?

Just curious but how would you guys break Ziggler away from Vickie? It seems like you would pretty have to turn him face.

I wouldn't split Dolph and Vickie unless Dolph has a face turn, I think she accentuates his act rather than takes away from it. I also get the feeling from watching that interview yesterday that Dolph would want her to share in his WWE title run if he gets one, as she has worked really hard to help him get over.

 

[Wheels]

Yeah, Jericho and Helms were drunk and got in some trouble, then Punk and Christian bailed them out of jail. If Punk brought that up Jericho would look like a tool lol.

 

[Dugath]

Yeah, Jericho and Helms were drunk and got in some trouble, then Punk and Christian bailed them out of jail. If Punk brought that up Jericho would look like a tool lol.

I do not see how that could be used in any way. What Jericho brought up was because Punk is "straight edge" and how Punk will end up like his dad because he will be so depressed when Jericho wins.

Has Jericho said, "I never break the law, I never drink..ect.."

Punk bringing up Jericho having to be bailed out of jail does no harm against Jericho IMO.

 

[Wheels]

I do not see how that could be used in any way. What Jericho brought up was because Punk is "straight edge" and how Punk will end up like his dad because he will be so depressed when Jericho wins.

Has Jericho said, "I never break the law, I never drink..ect.."

Punk bringing up Jericho having to be bailed out of jail does no harm against Jericho IMO.

Yeah, it kinda does since Jericho looks like a even bigger *****e for bringing all this up.

 

[Pink Ranger]

The Austin autographing things with '#1' was pretty standard during his Stone Cold character gimmick, I thought it just basically went hand in hand with the demeanour and mentality of the character. Maybe some people are just reading too much into it.

"Stone Cold, Number One! All others, hack ptooey!"

 

[Van Petrol]

All the Austin stuff is news to me, I'm shocked to say.

Punk's dad was an alcoholic. It's been a subject of past Punk fueds including with Raven.

I didn't know that.

I think the bumps and knocks are usually shared across the match and boo's are music to the ears of a top pro, look at Vickie's interview with Dolph, the louder they boo the more she loves it as it means the heel is doing a good job, it's the same thing as getting cheered as a face, the only bad reaction in pro wrestling is no reaction.

I still disagree somewhat, and feel the heel still takes more of the bumps and having to sell a bit more than the face, but anyways. Fair enough on the cheering/booing issue though.

Gotta be honest I wasn't a huge fan of those matches, this was probably my favourtie Austin/Benoit match.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPBba171-QI

I enojyed that match, though still feel the latter two were far better. Especially the one on Smackdown.

The walking out thing was a mixed bag, he was actually right that jobbing to Lesnar in a free TV match that was unadvertised was bad business, even though Austin's stock had dropped that was still a buyrate match. On the reverse side one of the codes is you never no show, and I think Austin had become difficult, WWE wanted to move him into the type of role Taker has because Austin's body no longer held up, but he still wanted to be top dog, that's why Triple H, Rock, Angle and Jericho were all on SD post-draft, leaving Raw as Austin's show.

I can see that, as nobody really wants to admit that there time is up, and seeing as how hard he worked to get there when nobody (bar a few) earlier in his career felt he could be arise to anything, let alone be THE man, he didn't want to give it up so easily. Considering they moved all those top stars to Smackdown and left Raw for Austin, it still feels as though he played second fiddle most of the time.

It was when Austin first returned in 2000. Apparently after their feuds with Benoit and Jericho earlier in the year Rock and Triple H wanted them to be part of the main event rotation, but Austin didn't. Angle had already won the WWF title before Austin came back so he couldn't object to him. Funnily enough I've read it was Rock's idea to lose the belt to Angle as he felt it would kill Angle's momentum had he he failed in his first attempt, given the way he'd been booked, conversely in 2001 Austin wouldn't put Angle or Rock over clean.

Interesting.

The big thing here is that this misfortune, defect or problem is purely cosmetic in nature (though it itself can be caused by actual health problems), and is only a misfortune or problem due to childish jabs like Cena's "boobies" remark.

It's not like he was making fun of something harmful.



Well, that's a different thing, but again, alcoholism can get to be life threatening. Gynecomastia by itself isn't.

That's really where I'd draw the line if I was the type to.

Fair enough, but something like the former can be really detrimental to someone's health, maybe not completely physically, but certainly mentally. That cannot be underestimated.

 

[Van Petrol]

The only Jericho dirt I can think of is when he punched a woman a couple years ago when he was trying to get to his car.

That whole situation sound worse than how it actually played out though.

 

[Dr. Evil]

If there is a Divas match at Wrestlemania 28, I am hoping it goes at a speed of 1.21 gigawatts so that we can get onto the next match as soon as possible.

 

[Warhammer]

Well, that's a different thing, but again, alcoholism can get to be life threatening. Gynecomastia by itself isn't.

That's really where I'd draw the line if I was the type to.

You'd be amazed how a seemingly insignificant deformity can be psychologically damaging. And I'm not even saying all of this because I'm a Rock fan. I think too few of us know the toll it can take. That's why I think it was a low blow on Cena's part. Disrespectful and unnecessary. This kinda reminds me of the Triple H/Booker T feud where things Triple H was saying weren't straight up out of line, but deep down, was racist as hell.

 

[Warhammer]

That whole situation sound worse than how it actually played out though.

Yeah, the whole thing sounds bad until you actually watch the video. Sure, society tells us that a man should never ever hit a woman, but Chris Jericho wasn't exactly out of line for hitting her. But that's a whole different argument.

 

[Wheels]

What I'm getting at with this is that telling the jail story establishes to the audience that Punk and Jericho have a friendship, which makes Jericho bringing Punk's dad up seem worse. It gets Jericho more heat and makes Punk look that much more sympathetic. At the end of the day you want the audience to be chompping at the bit to see the face kick the heel's ass.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I wouldn't be surprised if this angle wasn't Punk's own idea to begin with. He seems to be the kind of wrestler who considers what he does art, and he seems to be the kind of artist who would use the personal pain of his past to fuel what he does now.

 

[Wheels]

I wouldn't be surprised if this angle wasn't Punk's own idea to begin with. He seems to be the kind of wrestler who considers what he does art, and he seems to be the kind of artist who would use the personal pain of his past to fuel what he does now.

I could definitely see this being Punk's idea. He loves adding personal stuff into angles.

 

[Van Petrol]

You'd be amazed how a seemingly insignificant deformity can be psychologically damaging. And I'm not even saying all of this because I'm a Rock fan. I think too few of us know the toll it can take. That's why I think it was a low blow on Cena's part. Disrespectful and unnecessary. This kinda reminds me of the Triple H/Booker T feud where things Triple H was saying weren't straight up out of line, but deep down, was racist as hell.

Agreed.