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I think it will be Sheamus vs Del Rio vs Ziggler at Summerslam.

Punk comments on not being in the ME..
"Guys.EVERYBODY is mad that I wasn't in the main event. Especially those who have to follow me. Because they can't.Nobody follows the killer."

"Deal with it. I'll work first. I'll work hurt. I'll (out) work anybody. Best. In. The. World."

Interesting comments, with this I really don't see where a Punk/Cena title program goes, this was the only avenue I could see working and making some sense of the WWE title not going last on the last 4 PPV's.
 
I could see Cena cashing in on Punk at Raw 1000.
 
WWE'13"Austin:316"Collectors Edition
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i HATE the wwe video games but i might cave in and buy this one because i love the attittude era
 
Yeah half the game is Attitude Era based and so this Austin collector's edition is a nice touch!
 
Will probably splash out for the Austin themed WWE 13. They better give him his own Champions entrance though... :cmad:
 
I think it will be Sheamus vs Del Rio vs Ziggler at Summerslam.



Interesting comments, with this I really don't see where a Punk/Cena title program goes, this was the only avenue I could see working and making some sense of the WWE title not going last on the last 4 PPV's.

Yeah. :up:
 
They really need to give Sheamus something to raise his value, he's nowhere close to over enough and you know you have a problem when your supposed 3rd top face is getting beaten down and the crowd are chanting "We want Ziggler" in the hopes of seeing him lose the title.
I agree. I'm a big Sheamus fan, and even I'm getting bored of him. My face actually lit up and the end of the match, when it looked as though Dolph was going to cash in.


It's hard to judge as there wasn't close to as many PPV's but even at his prime in 1990 Hogan went second last behind the Warriors title defense at Summerslam.
Ah, I see. I asked a friend about it, and he pretty much said the same thing.

With Cena it's gotten to beyond breaking point with the same all stuff. I couldn't bear to watch him at the finish acting all surprised, as if he'd overcome the odds yet again.

What makes it the most unbearable though is how they always seem to book him as the underdog all the time, when he is really anything but.
 
I wasn't a fan of that article either, to me it lacked a bit of logic in key areas.

I don't entirely agree with it but its right on some things. There are too many guy who are clean cut model types but thats a sign of the times. Thats one reason guys look younger. They seem to be moving away from that kind of look though now that they have people like Sandow and even Sheamus.

The reason for all the actual "youth" now compared to the past is that in the past guys could be in the the business for ten years before they even came to WWE. That was the norm for most talents. Now you get guys who train or work a little in the indies then get a WWE developmental deal then get promoted on the main roster in less than five years. Just compare Ted DiBiase to Ted Dibiase Jr. Talents are being developed much faster in hopes that one of them might pay off faster. Before most guys were more than experienced enough start paying off as soon as they walked through the door. Vince knew what he was getting as soon as he signed them because they didn't need to learn as much by the time they were in WWE.




It's hard to judge as there wasn't close to as many PPV's but even at his prime in 1990 Hogan went second last behind the Warriors title defense at Summerslam.

Its also hard to compare because times are different and what was acceptable then isn't now. A four year title reign isn't something you'll ever see Cena doing but before Hogan most of the top guys had reigns that were several years long. It was normal.

But Hogan often kept himself in the spotlight even when he wasn't champion.

He rightfully went on in the middle of WM9 but he wheeled and dealed and made sure he came out at the end and beat Yokozuna in minutes for the title. Thats the kind of thing you don't even see Cena doing too much off.

When Savage won the belt at WM4 Hogan made sure he was out there to share the spotlight. Through the rest of the year Hogan made sure he had ties to Savage directly as his partner. When Savage turned Hogan has a ready made story to get the belt back.

Then theres the Flair/92 Rumble situation. Flair won but did he win with Hogans help? Hogan held Sid's arm on the outside pulling while Flair threw him out. Then Hogan causes a commotion on the outside and a lot of attention gets focused on him. Then at Wrestlemania a few months later its Hogan that goes on last with Sid. The right or wrong of that could be debated but it did happen that way.

Then there was Summerslam 05 but that was after his prime years. Again it could be argued that it deserved to go on last but it still did over the WWE title (and Cena himself).

Hogan may not have main evented as many PPV's as non champion (because there weren't as many PPV's) but he still dominated the main event scene in his own way.
 
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CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan match was awesome. Like a old school brutal hardcore match.

Punk and Bryan would get a Mick Foley thumbs up for the toughness shown in that match.

Thank the lord WWE ain't into the thumbtacks no more because I am not all into that although it seems Bully Ray loves them over in TNA.

Happy to see Ziggler win but shame he had to get booted in the head again
I find the whole Kofi/Truth/AW/PTP angle kinda racist. Take all the black guys that Creative has nothing for and throw them in one angle, have them all spout as many sterotypical slang words they an muster and voila, WWE is appealing to the "urban crowd". Truth and Kofi don't even mesh well as a tag team. And PTP holding AW bak was absolutely stupid. He is just the manager, why is he putting himself over rather than his team? And for the love of god that talking over matches thing got old 2 sentences into it. Horrible.

creative putting together tag teams that have noting in common is nothing new.

WWE has never been P.C either.

Kofi is a fake Jamaican and Truth is a mentally unstable illiterate man.

Primetime players are atleast less offensive than crime time. JTG's character is like the worst black thug stereotype I've seen outside of a BET rap music video.
 
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Still doesn't mean it doesn't look silly though. Especially in 2012.

Truth was quite literally dancing rapping jester. That just reads as really stereotypical and something out of 40's Hollywood.

But I have to laugh at Darren Young with the pick in his hair.

The Nation of Domination was controversial but they were at least serious...at first.


Saba Simba has got to be one of the worst black stereotypes in WWE history. Tony Atlas was literally chucking a spear. And apparently Vince expected everyone to forget this was the American born Tony Atlas.

:doh:
 
I find the whole Kofi/Truth/AW/PTP angle kinda racist. Take all the black guys that Creative has nothing for and throw them in one angle, have them all spout as many sterotypical slang words they an muster and voila, WWE is appealing to the "urban crowd". Truth and Kofi don't even mesh well as a tag team. And PTP holding AW bak was absolutely stupid. He is just the manager, why is he putting himself over rather than his team? And for the love of god that talking over matches thing got old 2 sentences into it. Horrible.
I personally think it's the opposite of racist.I like the idea of 2 black teams fueding against each other.I mean white teams fued with each other all the time.I don't see the problems.Other things in the past (and present) I may find racist or stereotypical,but to me this isn't one of them.
 
Its not the fact that they are black. Not the first time we've seen two black teams wrestle. Its the WAY both teams are presented.
 
I don't really have a problem with it.I think they're both presented well enough.It hasn't gotten stereotypical (yet) in my opinion.I must admit I am a little cautious,but as for right now I don't see a problem.
 
-Rock confirmed via his twitter that he is indeed in the running to play DC Comics' Lobo

:doh: This will not work at all. Hell, I don't think a Lobo movie will work, but that's a whole other discussion.
 
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Yeah I'm not really seeing it either. Rocks never really showed he could play something like that. Not exactly the Tex Cobb type. It'll be interesting to see if this movie is kid friendly or with more of an edge and if it'll have some of Giffens later elements of foul comedy and satire with the over the top action.


I don't really have a problem with it.I think they're both presented well enough.It hasn't gotten stereotypical (yet) in my opinion.I must admit I am a little cautious,but as for right now I don't see a problem.


Why does WWE feel most black characters need a hip hop theme? Like Johnny said why do PTP need to act so "stereotypically" black? Its already getting there. I can't buy that thats how Darren Young usually is. Even Otunga wasn't stereotyped so bad. Besides the music his gimmick could work with almost anyone of any race.
 
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LOOKING AT WHAT WWE IS SORELY MISSING IN TODAY'S PRODUCT...AND THE ONE PLACE THEY CAN FIND THEM
by Mike Johnson @ 10:15 AM on 7/16/2012


...Two, real heel heat.

I defy any WWE heel to be a real villain, a real bastard. It's impossible in today's day and age of political correctness. You can't slur the fans, you can't knock their country, don't think about kicking a flag. Don't dare punch a fan for crossing the rail. Don't say you are going to knock up their women. Don't dare well, do anything. Might look bad. Company might get sued. TMZ is watching. We have toy companies and political influences to worry about.

In the meantime, WWE is missing any real heel heat. Sure, they have heels but their wings are so clipped and their work is so sanitized that there's no way anyone will buy a ticket to see them get their asses kicked. They will boo Miz because it's part of the show and jeer Alberto Del Rio because everything he's saying is just that...part of the show.
No one believes, because WWE doesn't give them any real bastards to want to believe and hate anymore. You watch old footage on WWE Clasics on Demand and you see fans who were ravenous in their hatred and orgasmic in their love...because they believed.

Why? There were real antagonists. There aren't any today.

Internally, WWE believes that only John Cena and CM Punk draw them any money. I wonder if they ever stop to think why that is. Cena has a decade of goodwill towards children and being built up like the Superman of this generation. Punk is presented as the one talent who talks straight to the audience and has rebuffed the corporate shackles. The fans have reasons to believe in them.

Fans need a reason to believe in their heels too. Every great movie or TV series featured a villain you wanted to see get theirs and be defeated. Star Wars fans wanted to see the Empire demolished. Star Trek fans wanted to see the Borg overcome. Rambo. Rocky. Terminator. Predator. Stagecoach. Shane. Every movie features a hero vs. a villain and in the end, you have to go through hell to beat that villain.

Hell, even Zeus had to be a badass cartoon monster before badass cartoon hero Rip beat him in No Holds Barred!

But no one in WWE - not Dolph, not Swagger, not Miz, not Jericho, not Show, no one gets to be the type of heel that makes you get so mad you want to kick your television in. Instead, they have their spots and catch phrases and pre-arranged poses, melting into the Harlem Globetrotters meets Ringling Bros. tapestry that is the current day touring version of WWE.

No one hates them. No one fears them. No one wants to see them destroyed.

There are no great heels, so there can be no great heroes who can overcome them and become stronger in the process.

Give me someone to hate, damn you.

Oddly enough, the one place where can find someone who fits both elements of what WWE is missing is well, in TNA.

Bully Ray, formerly Bubba Ray Dudley, is in the process of a career revival in TNA. He's lost a ton of weight. He's broken out as a singles competitor. He inspires fear and cultivates hatred with a simple microphone, some New York City swagger and a little inspiration from the Bruiser Brodys and Mick Foley of yesterday.

Ray is the lone talent in TNA able to transverse into silliness and still maintain his aura as a tough guy, as someone who want to see get punched in the face. He's the one brawler who fits the mold of the old school heel and the older veteran (he just turned 41) who walks, talks, hell, IS a pro wrestler. He's the last of a dying breed, a heel who can take a babyface and make him mean more by the time their program is over.

I won't dare commit sacrilege by comparing Ray to Terry Funk but everyone he worked with got hotter afterward, even if only for awhile - Jay Lethal, The Motorcity Machineguns, Ken Anderson. Hell, even Joseph Park is over thanks to the Ray storyline. That's a rare trait that a lot of wrestlers can't pull off anymore.

As much as I've enjoyed John Cena facing The Rock and Brock Lesnar this year, Cena the babyface should be stepping into battle with a heel like Bully Ray. As much as I enjoy CM Punk against Daniel Bryan, I'd love to see him put into a situation where he faces someone he truly, bitterly hates. As much as I like the current WWE roster, there is no one to push them outside of their safe environment, no one to break the mold, no one to slap them upside the head, to smash them down and dare them to rise up and fight. There's no vicious bastards.

I can't believe I am writing this, but the one true element missing in today's WWE is Bully Ray, a badass, veteran wrestler who you believe can kill someone...and TNA has him. Now, imagine a WWE where there's a true heel in the company every week, not just Brock Lesnar popping in every few months for his PPV showdown.

Think of the heat that can create. Think of the new heroes that can be made. Think of the last bully left in the business slapping around the likes of the current roster, to give them someone to fight off and strive against.



As crazy as this may have sounded a year ago, Bully Ray might be just the bridge WWE needs to finally get their locker room out of first gear and finally racing down the road. I mean, it makes a hell of a lot more sense than using John Laurinaitis, doesn't it?
This? All of this? I ****ing agree!
 
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I think the way Booker T is presented as a commentator is far worse than either of those teams right now. They make him seem like an idiot. Cole is always making jokes about Booker's supposed lack of intelligence. Booker himself plays this up by saying he doesn't know what certain words mean.
 
I agree. I'm a big Sheamus fan, and even I'm getting bored of him. My face actually lit up and the end of the match, when it looked as though Dolph was going to cash in.

I know what you mean and that shouldn't be happening, but Sheamus just isn't really clicking as a face IMO, he's better as a destroyer heel.

Ah, I see. I asked a friend about it, and he pretty much said the same thing.

With Cena it's gotten to beyond breaking point with the same all stuff. I couldn't bear to watch him at the finish acting all surprised, as if he'd overcome the odds yet again.

What makes it the most unbearable though is how they always seem to book him as the underdog all the time, when he is really anything but.

The odd thing was that Cena's celebration almost seemed self aware, like he was mock celebrating as even he realizes how ridiculous it's all gotten.

Exactly, no one buys him as the underdog or an anti authority figure, so I don't know why they keep trying to force him as such.

I don't entirely agree with it but its right on some things. There are too many guy who are clean cut model types but thats a sign of the times. Thats one reason guys look younger. They seem to be moving away from that kind of look though now that they have people like Sandow and even Sheamus.

The reason for all the actual "youth" now compared to the past is that in the past guys could be in the the business for ten years before they even came to WWE. That was the norm for most talents. Now you get guys who train or work a little in the indies then get a WWE developmental deal then get promoted on the main roster in less than five years. Just compare Ted DiBiase to Ted Dibiase Jr. Talents are being developed much faster in hopes that one of them might pay off faster. Before most guys were more than experienced enough start paying off as soon as they walked through the door. Vince knew what he was getting as soon as he signed them because they didn't need to learn as much by the time they were in WWE.

The thing I found odd was him talking about the guys not looking tough, I mean Hogan, Bret, Piper, Flair, HBK, The Rock etc...None of these guys looked tough, and WWE can't magic up tough looking guys, they can only push and use who signs up and gets over.

The other odd part was that bit about Bully Ray, Yes he is a classically hated heel but he loses every match and acts the coward too much to be seen as fearsome, he's more like a cartoon Bully that shrinks when someone steps up to him. Roode is a better example as a complete bastard because he gets away with his deeds, even if he isn't as ugly tough looking as Bully.

I've said before that both companies are scared to book a strong heel because they become the cool heel and it's back to square one. As much crap as we all give Triple H, his heel work between 99 and 00 was everything a top heel should be IMO.

Its also hard to compare because times are different and what was acceptable then isn't now. A four year title reign isn't something you'll ever see Cena doing but before Hogan most of the top guys had reigns that were several years long. It was normal.

But Hogan often kept himself in the spotlight even when he wasn't champion.

He rightfully went on in the middle of WM9 but he wheeled and dealed and made sure he came out at the end and beat Yokozuna in minutes for the title. Thats the kind of thing you don't even see Cena doing too much off.

When Savage won the belt at WM4 Hogan made sure he was out there to share the spotlight. Through the rest of the year Hogan made sure he had ties to Savage directly as his partner. When Savage turned Hogan has a ready made story to get the belt back.

Then theres the Flair/92 Rumble situation. Flair won but did he win with Hogans help? Hogan held Sid's arm on the outside pulling while Flair threw him out. Then Hogan causes a commotion on the outside and a lot of attention gets focused on him. Then at Wrestlemania a few months later its Hogan that goes on last with Sid. The right or wrong of that could be debated but it did happen that way.

Then there was Summerslam 05 but that was after his prime years. Again it could be argued that it deserved to go on last but it still did over the WWE title (and Cena himself).

Hogan may not have main evented as many PPV's as non champion (because there weren't as many PPV's) but he still dominated the main event scene in his own way.

Oh yeah Hogan certainly snaked his way around many guys in keeping his star shinning brightest, the Savage example being the best one, he was determined only to let Savage get so far, Macho talked about that in a shoot, saying that "Any time any of us did something that was getting over you could be sure Hogan would be near by ready to leech off it" lol.

Oddly enough Hogan was amongst the first WWE title matches on a PPV that didn't go last at KOTR 93. I just haven't seen anything as blatant as what is going on with Cena because it's back to back months.
 
I think I may be getting the collector's edition of WWE 13. Man, Attitude Era is gonna be fun to play, can't wait. :D

Iunno, I guess I'm hoping The Rock is gonna surprise people with Lobo. The director of the film has done some dark humor short films that seem more Lobo-ish than his bigger budget films (Mysterious Island.) I remember somebody posting it in the Lobo thread awhile back. Plus The Rock got me into wrestling... and Lobo's one of my favorite CB characters...So I just remain optimistic about all of it.
 
When Shieky takes to twitter to put you over you know you are doing something right. :funny:

 
I mark each time I see a screen shot or quick footage of the Raw Is War arena,Now hopefully they also have Oval Smackdown/In Your House/King of The Ring and maybe manias like 14&2000

I have faith in the Rock for this role,It will depend on the direction&script But I really feel Rock could pull-off the look/a voice and the character itself!!
 
I think the way Booker T is presented as a commentator is far worse than either of those teams right now. They make him seem like an idiot. Cole is always making jokes about Booker's supposed lack of intelligence. Booker himself plays this up by saying he doesn't know what certain words mean.


Lol. Don't make me bring up the Triple H/Booker T feud from 03. WWE has always had a habit of skewering Booker over the years. Sometimes racially. Granted Harlem Heat had stereotypical elements in WCW but they were taken pretty f***n seriously and not a comedy act.


This? All of this? I ****ing agree!

The Veterans thing is true. WWE got lazy and thought short term and let most of them leave without using them properly. There aren't that many WWE vets around anymore to work with the younger talent. Michaels was one of the few exceptions


The few vets that ARE still there wrestling are part timers who seem to prefer spending most of their time jerking each other off (metaphorically). Taker and HHH need to be teaching these newer guys in the ring or trying to give them the rub. Even Finlay and Golddust have value because of that. Dust as putting in some good work before he got hurt.

Christian an Mark Henry are veterans now and it took over a decade for WWE to figure out how to use them and sometimes they still seem unwilling t take them as seriously as they should even in the midcard.

Most of the vets that are still around have been jobbed out and marginalized to the point of losing value. See Kane and maybe even Jericho. If Jericho had been booked stronger in the past who knows how much more valuable he'd be right now.
 
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