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The stip should be 3 stages of hell,That way Brock could get a win in like a submission match while Trips gets the pin in a normal match and then wins in a last man standing match where Brock goes down at like 8 or 9,Brock gets a win and looks strong in a 2nd one while Trips gets his win of the match.
 
I got to see the last segment and it was solid. I was cracking up at Heyman, but the winner gets Steph would have been quite interesting.

As much as I would like to see Brock retire Trips, WWE has too many holes in the upper echelon of it's roster for it to happen.
 
Obviously I don't. I haven't said anything that even comes close to suggesting that. Not very hard to follow

And yet you once again put it all on no one wanting to see Cena win but didn't bother to go into the counter option all the while saying at least "some fans wil be happy if Rock retains". Like I said the other option is just as bad for other reasons.

Wow! That's a lot of assuming about people you don't know now isn't it? This is why I always wind up telling you to relax. It's ****ed up how we always end up arguing over how much 2 bad things suck in comparison to each other lol.

Get off the high horse with that condescending "relax" crap. People say sh** like that to try to discredit what others are saying. I was relaxed until you started saying stuff like that. Thats annoying more than anything. Telling me "I'm assuming?" You're just as guilty in this instance when you say stuff like that. I'm was calm...and I'm not assuming anything. How am I assuming that casual fans have left the WWE viewing audience in droves over the last ten years? Am I assuming that those same people don't give WWE a chance even WHEN they put on a good product Like Punks "pipebomb run" because they are the wrestling fan equivlant of star f***ers? Some of those same people who stick their nose back in whenever Dwayne pops in for a quick spotlight grab say Punk doesn't have it even though he's been outperforming Rock like crazy over the past year? Those same peope making excuses for him not being around? If they did give a damn they'd get behind guys like Punk more when they knock it out of the park instead of holding him to some stuck in the past Attitude Era mark standard. He got mainstream attention so that excuse that people didn't know doesn't work in every case. People also see him whenever they tune in to see Rock.

Whats f***ed up is how you dump on Cena but look for back doors to give the Rock even a sliver of a pass when they're both equally to blame for this crappy main event. but you don't really bother to go into that instead in the past talking about how I'm "brainwashed" into thinking Cena should win or some other stuff like that. This whole main event is nothing but McMahon's desperate bid for mainstream attention while not bothering to put the work in to create a quality main even scenario.


Or heel Cena could walk out w/the belt. That'd probably be best under the circumstances. I'm glad RR didn't make as much as they wanted it to. Wish it pissed Vince off enough for him to change. It was predictable crap. We knew Cena was winning RR & we knew Rock was winning the Championship match.

All for the ultimate goal of Cena going to WM to win the belt from the Rock. Why pay for some ******** like that? I'm not blaming anything on anyone. I just don't want Cena to win unless involves or leads up to a heel turn. I want the product to get good & all around fun to watch again. I doubt face Cena will lead us in that direction. A heel Cena win solves the part timer problem AND the Cena problem in one fell swoop.

Once again you put it on Cena. The ultimate goal was to get he WWE mainstream attention and desperatly try to pop a bigger buyrate. If it was JUST about putting Cena over Rock wouldn't be parading around red carpets and press junkets with the belt more than he's on Raw.

Rock could have put Cena over LAST year. Hell they even could have made this for the belt...LAST YEAR. Thats why your talk of the ultimate goal in all these decisions being to put Cena over just don't fly. Thats only part of it. Hell Cenas time on raw has been LIMITED because they don't ahve Rock around to work with him. Thats putting Cena over? They know having Cena and no Rock would highlight the Rock's already glaring lack of appearances int he final weeks before Wrestlemania--which is ridiculous. Everyone is getting something out of this. It if was JUST about Cena why all this cross promotion with WWE and Gi Joe 2? Snitch? Vince and Dwayne BOTH get something out of this well beyond Cena...at least thats their hope and their plan. Cena is just a part of it. But to say the main reason in the end is putting Cena over? Thats naive. If it was just about that it all could have been a lot more simple.

This idea that Cena goes over Rock and it somehow helps him is also stupid because thats not going to happen at this point. It would have been better for Rock to just do the job last year and gotten it out of the way. At least then there was a chance that Cena could have spent his time putting someone else over after a big win over Rock instead of wasting a year chasing some lame assed fake redemption in a second bid to defeat Rock a year later.

Its pie in the sky to think Cena MIGHT do a solid job for more guys but that had a hell of a better chance of happening than Rock jobbing for someone not named John Cena anytime soon. If its all about Cena being put over why couldn't Rock ALSO do the job for someone else? Thats one place where you're theory does not compute. He still could have lost to Punk, then gained the title, THEN jobbed to Cena. But you fail to mention that.

If its all about Rock and Vince getting Cena more over they are doing a sh** job. Granted I don't think anyone could do that at this point but that still doesn't excuse the fact that Rock hasn't been up to par considering what they are paying him and the liberties they are letting him take.

And love or hate Cena he HAS busted his a** and put on some good work in the last year. Whats Rock done besides blow up even when being carried by a great worker like Punk? Cena at least DID help elevate Punk. Thats a feud that will pau off for the long term. Cena knew it. THATS how you help the company and help yourself at once. Whats Rock done to give back like that in the last 3 years? Like I said before if they had gotten his job to Cena over with a year ago BOTH could have gone ahead and done that or other stuff with other talents. Nobody forced Rock to sign up for another year and a title run. He agreed to it when he knew he couldn't devote all the time that was needed to this current run. Vince didn't put a gun to his head. I mean GI Joe 2 is getting press tonight and he's not even there. Most we get is Rock via promotional trailer. Thats about putting Cena over too, huh?

If Rock had won the belt at EC his lack of screen time as champ wouln't be so pronounced now. If he had wanted it that way Vince would have agreed. This is the same guy who has been willing to let almost any celeb known to man go over some of his most talented stars at Wrestlemania so he damn sure would have worked with the Rock if he wanted it a certain way.
 
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No Holds Barred with Triple H's career on the line.

Now I think I would've preferred a MMA-style match :whatever:

I can't stop laughing at Brock Lesnar's screams. :hehe:

Was that him that sounded a bit...girly? That or it sounded like a banshee. Lol.
 
I'm really surprised HIAC wasn't picked. This makes no sense. Trips wrestles once, maybe twice a year anyway. Who cares? He'll just come back as "C.O.O.".

Putting Triple H's career on the line is just him getting his ego stroked for a number of reasons. First of all it builds his career up like something worthy of this kind of match. When he finally comes out triumphant over Lesnar it will look even better. Like he had the guts to put it all on the line and still came out on top over the beast that is Lesnar.

Plus he loves echoing Flair and Michaels. He's spent years copying sh** they did first. He also knows that since they also put their careers on the line and lost some fans out there might think he might actually lose and it gets the match more attention. Its trying to make this match a big deal because his mentor and best friends career threatening matches were seen as big deals.

There's just no way he'd actually retire to Lesnar though. No way.


Originally Posted by LuisTX85
The stip should be 3 stages of hell,That way Brock could get a win in like a submission match while Trips gets the pin in a normal match and then wins in a last man standing match where Brock goes down at like 8 or 9,Brock gets a win and looks strong in a 2nd one while Trips gets his win of the match.

Agreed. In your scenario they both get to look more strong. Thats why I'd like to see a few more three fall matches in this day in age. That was one of the smart things about them being the norm decades ago. Its probably one reason they did it that way PLUS it built suspense, tension, and anticipation during the match.
 
Only about halfway thru Raw. Some early thoughts:

-Primetime Players need a push. Classic stuff with that promo.
-This is why CM Punk needs to remain a heel. That promo was absolute gold. Getting booked pretty strongly, getting in Undertaker's head.
-That Jericho promo on Fandango was awesome. Jericho is one of the best plain and simple.
-Very awkward announcement putting Ryback in the match against Henry.
-Del Rio's new music is not as good.
 
At least Chris Jericho knows that Fandango is a site where you buy movie tickets....unlike those in WWE.
 
Rock's movie career had cooled off considerably before he and his agent/ex-wife decided to return to action movies. Rock is a smart man and knows that he alienated his fans wih some of his choices. It was a good decision for him to return to WWE.. People forget that his career was in the crapper before Fast 5. This whole deal was about getting his fanbase back on board and giving himself another platform to hype his movies, while taking fat checks from McMahon.

Vince brought Rock back for publicity and buyrates. This Rock comeback isn't about Cena really. It's about McMahon's obsession with the Hollywood mainstream and quick fixes. Ironically, it doesn't seem to be working as well as Vince hoped, but his expectations are probably too high.
 
Rock's movie career had cooled off considerably before he and his agent/ex-wife decided to return to action movies. Rock is a smart man and knows that he alienated his fans wih some of his choices. It was a good decision for him to return to WWE.. People forget that his career was in the crapper before Fast 5. This whole deal was about getting his fanbase back on board and giving himself another platform to hype his movies, while taking fat checks from McMahon.

Vince brought Rock back for publicity and buyrates. This Rock comeback isn't about Cena really. It's about McMahon's obsession with the Hollywood mainstream and quick fixes. Ironically, it doesn't seem to be working as well as Vince hoped, but his expectations are probably too high.

The Rock is also the only WWE Superstar who a member of the Screen Actors Guild. Vince will only allow the Rock as part of SAG (it's safe to say that the Rock is in SAG because he would not be doing big studio films if he wasn't).
 
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I was thinking..With the whole PG direction and family friendly focus I'm surprised WWE hasn't launched a new cartoon show on a network like Cartoon Network,Kids would eat it up and even though I'm already 27 years old I'd check it out depending on the style.

I really think an animation show based on the WWE Heroes Comics with it's art style or something like Avengers or at least Clone Wars would be cool,Rey Mysterio as a Spider-Man type super hero when not wrestling/Undertaker&Kane being actual demon sorcerers/Triple H being a Conan the Batbarian type of warrior king/etc could have potential for a show,Merchendise would be collector's items.

Would likely just last a season or two But still I'd like it given a try,I'm likely one of the very few fans of the comics But still lol
 
Flash from the past: the last epic Mania encounter with great build-up:

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That was epic. They also did a good job promoting Wrestlemania last year. I guess they are just phoning in the Rock vs Cena rematch. I haven't watched RAW , but heard no mention of it. The Undertaker vs Punk feud is enjoyable , but nowhere near what it could of been. I wanted to think Punk could end the streak , but instead it's the "let's pay to see him get his ass kicked" formula.



Putting Triple H's career on the line is just him getting his ego stroked for a number of reasons. First of all it builds his career up like something worthy of this kind of match. When he finally comes out triumphant over Lesnar it will look even better. Like he had the guts to put it all on the line and still came out on top over the beast that is Lesnar.

Plus he loves echoing Flair and Michaels. He's spent years copying sh** they did first. He also knows that since they also put their careers on the line and lost some fans out there might think he might actually lose and it gets the match more attention. Its trying to make this match a big deal because his mentor and best friends career threatening matches were seen as big deals.

There's just no way he'd actually retire to Lesnar though. No way.
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This is despicable. Triple H is using fans sympathy to put his career over and take the spotlight. I doubt Triple H even respects Brock enough to let him end it. Also Triple H is arguably retired. He only wrestled a handful of matches in the last couple years. Why would he feel the need to put a cap on his career when it's likely he'll step back in the ring again.

Ric Flair and Hbk had the ideal retirements. I remember all the people around me at Wrestlemania 24 crying when Flair got out of the ring. That was a moment.
 
Flair ruined his moment with that TNA run. WrestleMania 24 was the perfect end to his in-ring career. Too bad that Edge and Taker had to follow that.
 
I wish Flair stayed out of the ring after that. The Taker / Edge match was really good , but there was a pyro accident right after the match and people were injured. I didn't even know about it until I got back to the hotel.
 
I wish Flair stayed out of the ring after that. The Taker / Edge match was really good , but there was a pyro accident right after the match and people were injured. I didn't even know about it until I got back to the hotel.

WrestleMania 24 was a really good show. JBL vs Finlay, Punk's first MITB win, Big Show vs Floyd Mayweather, Flair vs Michaels, and Edge vs Undertaker were all good. matches.
 
WrestleMania 24 was a really good show. JBL vs Finlay, Punk's first MITB win, Big Show vs Floyd Mayweather, Flair vs Michaels, and Edge vs Undertaker were all good. matches.


That was a great night. Finlay vs JBl was better than I expected. I loved when JBL hit Hornswoggle with the trash barrel :woot:. Also I thought the spot Morrison did with the ladder was amazing and Orton's win was a nice surprise.
 
Putting Triple H's career on the line is just him getting his ego stroked for a number of reasons. First of all it builds his career up like something worthy of this kind of match. When he finally comes out triumphant over Lesnar it will look even better. Like he had the guts to put it all on the line and still came out on top over the beast that is Lesnar.

Plus he loves echoing Flair and Michaels. He's spent years copying sh** they did first. He also knows that since they also put their careers on the line and lost some fans out there might think he might actually lose and it gets the match more attention. Its trying to make this match a big deal because his mentor and best friends career threatening matches were seen as big deals.

There's just no way he'd actually retire to Lesnar though. No way.
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hit the nail right on the head metallo
exactly what i thought when the stipulation was announced
 
I'm starting to think I might be a curse to WWE.
Everytime I stay up late to watch it live the show is utter sh-- I gave up before the Del Boro and Cody match. At least I got to see my love Kaitlyn before I passed out.
 
Biggest disappointment for me on RAW was the Taker/Punk promo. It felt like both men phoned it in. Taker didn't really say anything except a few idle threats. CM Punk taunting Taker and playing with the urn was okay but it wasn't anything special. If this was a regular PPV, stuff like that would work, and if they had more time to build this feud, this would work as the 2nd part of 6 weeks before Mania.

But three weeks before Mania? It's not working. Both men are better than what they did tonight, and need to show it immediately. This whole feud is getting built on Paul Bearer and the urn, which shows Creative had nothing planned here until William Moody's death.

As I said a couple of weeks ago the "Greatness vs Redemption" theme they're using for Rock/Cena should apply to this match. It makes more sense. CM Punk is the most passionate, driven guy in the business. More than Rock, and he edges Cena out. Undertaker is a walking icon that defines Wrestlemania. The feud didn't need Paul Bearer's death. It could've been built on this alone.

Maybe next week they'll step it up, but it's been lackluster. This whole "Road to Wrestlemania" has been lackluster. All three main-events are predictable, nothing intriguing has occurred to produce doubt for who will win or lose. It's obvious.

The best built match really is Sheamus/Orton/Big Show vs the Shield.

Excerpt from a 411mania.com article. Hits one of the nails on why Rock's absences from a wrestling standpoint are so off:

They show the Rock/Cena video again and it's good. I thought of something earlier. Rock's missing these shows leading into WrestleMania. I get the real life idea of the whole thing is that having Rock go all over the world with the shiny new belt is great promotion, but think about it from a kayfabe point of view. Rock has talked over and over again about how important it was that he won the WWE Title one more time. He's been waiting 10 years to win it-- and now he's just going to walk away and do other stuff for a while? God damn, man! I don't know about you, but if I had been pining for years to get something, I would ****ing savor it. I would want to defend that title every ****ing week! Did he really want to be the champion or did he just want a cool thingy to clumsily take through airport security? It just ruins the whole premise for me. Dude has stressed so hard that he has been dying inside to have that belt and that it's so deeply ingrained in him, but as soon as he gets the belt he just walks away? Again I understand the real life idea behind it, but in kayfabe it makes negative sense.
 
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