The Wrestling Thread: Oh Mah Goodness...Part 33

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Yeah that complaint is just absurd. The refs have been through FAR worse periods.

I mean Jesus Hogan pressed one of the Hebners over his head and threw him OVER the top rope and into the aisle!

And Triple H himself pedigreed the sh** out of Earl Hebner. During the attitude era these guys may as well have had a target on their backs. Look at Tim White.

its typical wrestling selective memory.

I mean they actually had an angle where the Refs were being beaten up so much that they threatened to walk out.


That segment was so bad I felt like I was the one being tortured.

The worst part of it was the piss poor audio editing with JR screaming. It sounded like they just spliced something in from a videogame.
 
CM Punk isn't going to vote no because he's triple H's ***** now....seriously Punk spent so much time going at HHH but after Hunter kicked his ass Punk fell in line and has been on his best behavior....If they were going to go this route with punk they shouldn't have let Hunter beat him.

Umm, when did Punk become Triple H's *****? Punk stopped going after him when he realized there were other forces and people that costing him matches and opportunities.
 
The fact that Cena, Orton and Punk were not out there was.....interesting.
 
While lots worse did happen under Vince, I also think it kind of makes sense because Vince did create the company. Vince might have been a mad man, but for the most part he kept things under control even if his ego led him to screw with people. He created the company, led it through lawsuits and deaths and the Monday Night Wars and everything else. Vince was all they knew and even if people acted up, Vince always ruled with an iron fist and wouldn't let anyone (except other McMahons) undermine him. All those guys, whether they liked him or not, owed some sort of loyalty to Vince just for hiring them or at the very least giving them a WWE to work in.

Then there's Triple H, who's pissed off or screwed over pretty much everyone at one time or another, has no leadership experience, has some conspiracy effecting his ability to run the show, and let things spiral completely out of control in his first 3 months in charge. The locker room has no reason to believe he can do this job properly based on the past 3 months, so why vote confidence in him? Lawler's argument was rational, even if they don't think it's Triple H's fault entirely, it is happening because he's in charge.

I still like this angle, it's got a lot going on. Triple H might be at the center of it, but Punk's been spotlighted through out it. Miz and Truth caused a lot of this. The midcard heels are getting pushed as a big factor in this. It's doing something for everyone.

This could also be the catalyst for the eventual Triple H turn that I still think is coming. In a week or two when this is all sorted out one way or another, Triple H isn't the kind of guy to just forget that his roster did this even after all he did was try to do the best job possible while undermined at every turn. All he needs to do is say everyone turned his back on them while he was doing his best for the roster and the fans. He tried to be the good boss, and look where it got him, maybe the only way to do this job is to be like Vince and rule like a power mad despot.
 
Its going to be interesting to see how they carry this over for SD. Man SD really needs to go Live each week
 
Yeah, I found the absence of Punk and Cena really bizarre. Orton doesn't really have an angle in this story, but yeah, he should have been out there, too. Sheamus was missing too, wasn't he?

I'm sure the plan is to have Cena and (in "surprise twist") CM Punk rally under Hunter, but given the events of tonight and HIAC, it was absolutely baffling that CM Punk and Cena weren't heard from. I mean, John Cena loses the title and we're not subjected to fifteen minutes "I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE!!"? Weird.

The show felt like it was missing something--and that's not just my "CM Punk should do all the promos, forever" bias talking.
 
Punk, Sheamus, Orton, Cena and K Dub were missing.
 
While lots worse did happen under Vince, I also think it kind of makes sense because Vince did create the company. Vince might have been a mad man, but for the most part he kept things under control even if his ego led him to screw with people. He created the company, led it through lawsuits and deaths and the Monday Night Wars and everything else. Vince was all they knew and even if people acted up, Vince always ruled with an iron fist and wouldn't let anyone (except other McMahons) undermine him. All those guys, whether they liked him or not, owed some sort of loyalty to Vince just for hiring them or at the very least giving them a WWE to work in.

Then there's Triple H, who's pissed off or screwed over pretty much everyone at one time or another, has no leadership experience, has some conspiracy effecting his ability to run the show, and let things spiral completely out of control in his first 3 months in charge. The locker room has no reason to believe he can do this job properly based on the past 3 months, so why vote confidence in him? Lawler's argument was rational, even if they don't think it's Triple H's fault entirely, it is happening because he's in charge.

I still like this angle, it's got a lot going on. Triple H might be at the center of it, but Punk's been spotlighted through out it. Miz and Truth caused a lot of this. The midcard heels are getting pushed as a big factor in this. It's doing something for everyone.

This could also be the catalyst for the eventual Triple H turn that I still think is coming. In a week or two when this is all sorted out one way or another, Triple H isn't the kind of guy to just forget that his roster did this even after all he did was try to do the best job possible while undermined at every turn. All he needs to do is say everyone turned his back on them while he was doing his best for the roster and the fans. He tried to be the good boss, and look where it got him, maybe the only way to do this job is to be like Vince and rule like a power mad despot.

Good post, and I agree.

Yeah, I found the absence of Punk and Cena really bizarre. Orton doesn't really have an angle in this story, but yeah, he should have been out there, too. Sheamus was missing too, wasn't he?

I'm sure the plan is to have Cena and (in "surprise twist") CM Punk rally under Hunter, but given the events of tonight and HIAC, it was absolutely baffling that CM Punk and Cena weren't heard from. I mean, John Cena loses the title and we're not subjected to fifteen minutes "I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE!!"? Weird.

The show felt like it was missing something--and that's not just my "CM Punk should do all the promos, forever" bias talking.

My question would be why would CM Punk side with Hunter? I know why Cena would do it, but why Punk? And the same question with Orton.
 
I guess I'm in the minority in thinking the ending scene was well done.

Some parts don't stand up to "logic" (i.e. the veterans walking out) but keep in mind, most of the talent surrounding the ring was not around for things like the WCW invasion, the NWO, the Kiss My Ass club, women wrestling in pudding, etc.

In kayfabe terms, you could almost liken it to a company with a bunch of Gen-Y employees who have had it real easy for a while at a struggling company, who haven't experienced the real tough growth times, who overreact to change at a senior management level (which happens in real, non-wrestling companies a lot).

Obviously, the villains walk out first, because they have an agenda and will do so anyway. Then the referees, because they're (kayfabe) cowards. After that, everyone will walk out due to groupthink and peer pressure.

It could have been done better, and the absence of the top-tier heroes was glaring, but on balance I think it was well done, and I haven't been as intrigued by a wrestling plotline in years.
 
Orton has other things to worry abut, like trying to stop Mark Henry, who has been on a role since his move to Smackdown.

I smell Triple threat at Vengeance: Show vs. Henry vs. Orton.
 
Umm, when did Punk become Triple H's *****? Punk stopped going after him when he realized there were other forces and people that costing him matches and opportunities.

Punk basically stopped going after EVERYBODY after Hunter kicked his ass. Originally it wasn't even about Hunter but was about making positive changes in WWE. Right now Punk is just another babyface going through the motions. Even if he doesn't think HHH was behind things it's downright odd that he'd have NOTHING to say about what's been going on lately.

Punk was constantly voicing his opinion but once HHH kicked his ass he's been eerily quiet (for him at least).
 
I have no idea what that means.

This man is going to have to talk to you about the birds and the bees, young man.

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and I don't mean these birds and bees

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I want too see where this is going, but that last segment was dumb. We're only supposed to remember what WWE wants us to remember.
 
Punk basically stopped going after EVERYBODY after Hunter kicked his ass. Originally it wasn't even about Hunter but was about making positive changes in WWE. Right now Punk is just another babyface going through the motions. Even if he doesn't think HHH was behind things it's downright odd that he'd have NOTHING to say about what's been going on lately.

Punk was constantly voicing his opinion but once HHH kicked his ass he's been eerily quiet (for him at least).

Who exactly is the everybody?

If you notice, neither he and Cena haven't said anything, nor Orton. So I'm sure it'll get addressed. On top of that, Punk was just in a WWE title match so his focus was on becoming champion again and not the conspiracy. Same with Cena, and Orton since he was going after Henry.
 
This man is going to have to talk to you about the birds and the bees, young man.

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Could have said "ho"

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That's a good reason to miss the vote of confidence.

However, I think Cena will stand up to Triple H.
 
Good post, and I agree.



My question would be why would CM Punk side with Hunter? I know why Cena would do it, but why Punk? And the same question with Orton.

At this point Punk has to believe someone else was behind Nash an everything else; he should be more interested in the truth than in his feud with H.
 
If the rumor about it being Cena/Rock/Punk/HHH/? leading team WWE against the main rebels at Survivor Series I can see why they might not have been out there. Cena and Punk could have been saving their opinions for next week after seeing what happens.

After watching the rest of the locker walk out, Cena gives a big Superman speech to bring the faces back, while Punk reaffirms his belief that it's not HHH's fault and that he wants to know who really is behind all this.

Rock could then come into this down the line because he "loves the WWE and doesn't want to see it ripped apart," but also just because he wants to make sure there still is a WWE in 6 months so he can get a piece of Cena at WM.

As for Orton, he hasn't been involved in this angle, and going by kayfabe he shouldn't really care much. He's selfish, just wants revenge and his title, and has never liked Triple H anyway, so I could see his character just not giving a **** either way.
 
Are Cena, Punk, and Orton really not going to say anything until next week? Doesn't the Supershow rules apply to Smackdown too?

At this point Punk has to believe someone else was behind Nash an everything else; he should be more interested in the truth than in his feud with H.

Perfect motivation there.
 
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