The Wrestling Thread Says, "Wait Just A Second There, Playa!"

[Daniel Thompson]

Cool Marvel interview with Punk!

Yeah that whle X-Men vs. Avengers thing makes me want to see WWE do a faction war, like how NWo Wolfpac vs. NWo hollywood was in wCw 1998.

 

[TX85]

Yeah that whle X-Men vs. Avengers thing makes me want to see WWE do a faction war, like how NWo Wolfpac vs. NWo hollywood was in wCw 1998.

Would be awesome,Too bad WWE screwed up the Nexus factions..Could be having a Nexus vs FCW right now!!!

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

If Mickie, Brook Adams, and Velvet stripped for me I'd go there.

you wouldnt hear me complaining mate

i'm just amazed that tna agreed to have flair appear for only a mention of they're product.

they had to have a say in how it was mentioned or thats just an open invitation for vince

 

[SpideyFan866]

If Mickie, Brook Adams, and Velvet stripped for me I'd go there.

What about Angelina Love?

 

[Incrediblejeff]

you wouldnt hear me complaining mate

i'm just amazed that tna agreed to have flair appear for only a mention of they're product.

they had to have a say in how it was mentioned or thats just an open invitation for vince

The real question is if Flair mentions TNA will he get booed?

 

[Metallo]

you wouldnt hear me complaining mate

i'm just amazed that tna agreed to have flair appear for only a mention of they're product.

they had to have a say in how it was mentioned or thats just an open invitation for vince

I think any mention of TNA will be quick but respectful.

TNA already catches hell from a lot of wrestling fans. Can you imagine what would have happened if they told Flair he COULDN'T go. Their choice was right for business; the overall one and their own public image.

Reasonably I think they had to know they weren't going to get a lot out of WWE on this anyway but they should get something. From what I've read the big hold up between WWE and TNA reaching a deal was the use of Flair footage and his image when it comes to merchandise, tv broadcasts, etc.

They must have reached some kind of deal on that too.

What about Angelina Love?

I wouldn't mind if she ate something and wore a bag on her face. When she's fit she ain't bad from the neck down. Now she looks like Skeletor with two bowling balls strapped to her chest.

She used to be a good talent when she was healthier.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I wouldn't mind if she ate something and wore a bag on her face. When she's fit she ain't bad from the neck down. Now she looks like Skeletor with two bowling balls strapped to her chest.

She used to be a good talent when she was healthier.

New rule: when you go to the plastic surgeon, don't say, "I don't know. Surprise me."

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

I think any mention of TNA will be quick but respectful.

TNA already catches hell from a lot of wrestling fans. Can you imagine what would have happened if they told Flair he COULDN'T go. Their choice was right for business; the overall one and their own public image.

Reasonably I think they had to know they weren't going to get a lot out of WWE on this anyway but they should get something. From what I've read the big hold up between WWE and TNA reaching a deal was the use of Flair footage and his image when it comes to merchandise, tv broadcasts, etc.

They must have reached some kind of deal on that too.

is it wrong that i would love the next impact after mania to end with a sting promo lights go out and taker appears in the ring to start an inter promo war

or roode attacks punk on raw

ala the original ecw invasion from the 90's, never gonna happen but think of the possibility

 

[SpideyFan866]

New rule: when you go to the plastic surgeon, don't say, "I don't know. Surprise me."

LOL yeah.

Ya know who I wouldn've minded seeing nekid, Daphney.

 

[Metallo]

is it wrong that i would love the next impact after mania to end with a sting promo lights go out and taker appears in the ring to start an inter promo war

or roode attacks punk on raw

ala the original ecw invasion from the 90's, never gonna happen but think of the possibility

Hmmm...for those of us who watch both it could be fapworthy and I think even the TNA haters would show a little interest. WWE wouldn't get much out of it financially (might spice things up creatively and give them a new potential talent pool) but it would be a HUGE deal for TNA.

Like you said I can't see it happening but in a perfect world it would be nice if Foleys Lockdown book mention on Raw, Cenas thinly veiled TNA reference Raw, and Flair showing up at the the HOF were to lead to something along the lines of the original ECW invasion of WWF. Former TNA head of talent Terry Taylor might be heading back to WWE and long time WWE team member Bruce Prichard is at TNA. They could help grease the wheels.

Much like the old Superclash's it would be a booking nightmare. You'd need a genius booker(s). With Russo gone and somebody laying out some serious cash I'd love to see Cornette, Patterson, and Heyman come together to work with the WWE and TNA creative teams to book a one time only inter-promotional angle.

It wouldn't have to be majorly long term but a leadup to one show with some inter-promotional matches would be great.

Even if WWE got the lions share of the profits TNA could do nice and get some serious exposure.

 

[brainchild81]

oh and on the whole Undertaker thing - never really cared for him tbh, even as a kid I thought the whole deadman thing was stupid.... now Biker Taker, I did like him

I've always found nis gimmick to be stupid & I hated how it took him 48 minutes just to get to the damn ring. Liked him for a very lil bit when he was teaming w/Show & saying crazy **** like ''I was born w/the ability to hate w/out reason”.

I want the Rock to win. More creative things can be done w/that. I can tolerate Cena, but not when he's booked as Superman. I don't even like comicbook Supes. Whenever I see Cena, I think back to him giving Big show AND Edge the AA @the same time or something like that. Mighta been Umaga, I don't fully remember and I'm glad I don't. I don't think he should beat the Rock on his 1st try IN the Rock's hometown

 

[Metallo]

Yeah, Evil....after thinking about it I'd have Taker show up on Impact and then have Roode show up on Raw. That makes the most sense to me. After defeating HHH Taker will still be hungry for competition and now he might start looking outside of WWE. Angles an option (for a few reasons including their epic NWO match) but Sting might be the most attractive target. Undertaker does his usual spiel and wanting souls and says Sting was to WCW and TNA what Taker is to WWE and even though they've faced the same legends they've never encountered one another. Takers beaten every icon...except one. Stings soul is pure but its never faced darkness like this.

The religious themes could be fun.

There's no point in Punk showing up in TNA. There's nothing there for him so Roode would have to be the instigator. The arrogant Roode would want to prove himself the "real worlds champion" and target the main man in WWE. He sneak attacks Punk. Then he runs Punk down for being an anti establishment wannabe instead of a real "wrestler."

Punk calls Roode a cowardly chickensh** low rent Ric Flair or Triple H. Punk says Roode can play Rick Rude in the ring all he wants but he's still a fake of a second rate champion who needs to put up or shut up.

 

[spidey-dude]

Except your problem there is that since when has the Undertaker ALWAYS been undead? When were the American badass and Big Evil incarnations undead? He was still the Undertaker with a lot of the same traits. He didn't change his name and he still did most of the same moves! I'm not talking about POWERS but his personality. When besides the Deadman gimmick his character still has a personality.

Even when he became The American Badass he still had the EXACT same origin. Kane was STILL his brother. They didn't do some wholesale gimmick change that stripped everything away. The character is MORE than just his powers.

Im clearly talking about current undertaker - as I mentioned I liked Biker taker and I think it's probably because it was closer to what he is actually like, now that gimmick was an extension of himself..... whereas current/classic/phenom/whateveryouwantotcallit is a character plain and simple

you contradict yourself btw you say he had the exact same origin while he was biker taker then claim he wasnt still undead in that gimmick, just thought I would point it out....

yeah the character is more than his powers, never said he wasnt but the whole undead gimmick is a fundamental part of who the character is

Even the "He's gonna Puke" part?

nope.... thats just weird

I've always found nis gimmick to be stupid & I hated how it took him 48 minutes just to get to the damn ring. Liked him for a very lil bit when he was teaming w/Show & saying crazy **** like ''I was born w/the ability to hate w/out reason”.

I want the Rock to win. More creative things can be done w/that. I can tolerate Cena, but not when he's booked as Superman. I don't even like comicbook Supes. Whenever I see Cena, I think back to him giving Big show AND Edge the AA @the same time or something like that. Mighta been Umaga, I don't fully remember and I'm glad I don't. I don't think he should beat the Rock on his 1st try IN the Rock's hometown

agreed on both counts

 

[Metallo]

Im clearly talking about current undertaker - as I mentioned I liked Biker taker and I think it's probably because it was closer to what he is actually like, now that gimmick was an extension of himself..... whereas current/classic/phenom/whateveryouwantotcallit is a character plain and simple

The current undertaker still has elements of his real self. If you can't see the difference between the old west mortician and the current deadman then you need bifocles. Triple H acknowledged the blending of the man AND the character on Raw last year.

Thats been part of the characters evolution. Maybe you DIDN'T watch like you claimed otherwise you'd know that. In 2002 The Biker reminded Hogan that HE was the one who beat him for his WWF title a decade before. Not some other guy.

you contradict yourself btw you say he had the exact same origin while he was biker taker then claim he wasnt still undead in that gimmick, just thought I would point it out....

Wrong. How was his origin changed? Biker Taker had the same origins as Deadman Taker. He just became more "human" after he left in 1999. His parents funeral home burned down and he became associated with Paul Bearer, who worked at the home. Bearer was the father of Takers half Brother Kane.

Its the same character just a different incarnation. He didn't become someone else the way Isaac Yankem became Kane or Papa Shango became The Godfather. The Biker and the Deadman are both acknowledged as the same character by WWE.

yeah the character is more than his powers, never said he wasnt but the whole undead gimmick is a fundamental part of who the character is

You said the theatrics WERE the character. Thats just not true. They stripped away the theatrics. many of the characters same motivations and traits remained. never said the deadman gimmick wasn't a big part of the character but if you take that away theres STILL more underneath.

 

[spidey-dude]

way to twist everything ive said - your 1st 2 responses were what I was trying to say to you previously.... taker had gimmick changes I never said they ignored his previous gimmicks, I never said that the theatrics WERE the character but that they were an intrinsic part of his persona, it has been a key definer of almost all his gimmicks, I have maintained the whole time there are other important aspects that make up the character - the fact that I am still repeating these same basic points is ridiculous as is the way you have attempted to twist what I have said, so once again I find myself saying to you whats the point we are going in circles lets leave it - I get the impression that you are being stubborn for the sake of being stubborn half the time, for instance you accuse me of not being a hardcore fan yet when I define myself as a casual fan you try and argue with me that I m more than as casual fan (as if you know)

not sure how I am wrong by pointing out your own contradiction, you even say they don't ignore his past therefore they still accept him as having risen from the dead therefore biker taker is still undead despite you claiming he isnt.... lawyered

edit: anyway I am off to bed as I have a blood test nice and early in the morning, I'm starting to think you're simply a WUM anyway as I have no idea why else you keep trying to twist what I say

 

[Metallo]

way to twist everything ive said - your 1st 2 responses were what I was trying to say to you previously.... taker had gimmick changes I never said they ignored his previous gimmicks, I never said that the theatrics WERE the character but that they were an intrinsic part of his persona, it has been a key definer of almost all his gimmicks, I have maintained the whole time there are other important aspects that make up the character - the fact that I am still repeating these same basic points is ridiculous as is the way you have attempted to twist what I have said, so once again I find myself saying to you whats the point we are going in circles lets leave it - I get the impression that you are being stubborn for the sake of being stubborn half the time, for instance you accuse me of not being a hardcore fan yet when I define myself as a casual fan you try and argue with me that I m more than as casual fan (as if you know)

not sure how I am wrong by pointing out your own contradiction, you even say they don't ignore his past therefore they still accept him as having risen from the dead therefore biker taker is still undead despite you claiming he isnt.... lawyered

You're wrong because WWE potrayed him as a MORTAL man. With a wife and family. Even Kane says he became one of us. Are we all undead now? You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

The Biker could be hurt and feel pain in a way the classic Deadman couldn't. He didn't rise from the ground he didn't appear out of thin air. He didn't make the lights turn blue opr go out. He didn't shoot lighting. He spoke normally. His powers were pretty much gone. How is that the traditional undead Undertaker?

If anyone is contradicting themselves here its you.

WTF does "lawyered" even mean. Are you 12?

I'm not twisting anything. You either change your own story or refuse to acknowledge what I just said. First you say the theatrical aspects are the character now you say its only part of the character. You're grasping at straws, dude.

"lawyered" Even if you are gonna disagree leave that frat boy sh** out of it. Maybe you are a kid.

 

[spidey-dude]

You're wrong because WWE potrayed him as a MORTAL man. With a wife and family. Even Kane says he became one of us. Are we all undead now? You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

The Biker could be hurt and feel pain in a way the classic Deadman couldn't. He didn't rise from the ground he didn't appear out of thin air. He didn't make the lights turn blue opr go out. He didn't shoot lighting. He spoke normally. His powers were pretty much gone. How is that the traditional undead Undertaker?

If anyone is contradicting themselves here its you.

WTF does "lawyered" even mean. Are you 12?

I'm not twisting anything. You either change your own story or refuse to acknowledge what I just said. First you say the theatrical aspects are the character now you say its only part of the character. You're grasping at straws, dude.

"lawyered" Even if you are gonna disagree leave that frat boy sh** out of it. Maybe you are a kid.

its a reference to a popular tv show

do you know what undead is in fictional terms... it s someone who has risen from the dead/someone who has died but doesnt remain dead, I have no idea how you can claim he was no longer undead without altering his origin... that itself is an example of you trying to twist something.... in fact maybe Im wrong and you aren't twisting anything and genuinely just don't understand?

I am not grasping at anything mate I said the whole time they are a fundamental aspect of the character, and I maintain there are the whole time I have said there are several aspects to the character not just one thing, I havent changed what I have sad at all rather you keep trying to twist what I am saying

BTW the way you have changed what you are focusing on in this "argument" has convinced me that you must simply just be a WUM

 

[Metallo]

its a reference to a popular tv show

do you know what undead is in fictional terms... it s someone who has risen from the dead/someone who has died but doesnt remain dead, I have no idea how you can claim he was no longer undead without altering his origin... that itself is an example of you trying to twist something.... in fact maybe Im wrong and you aren't twisting anything and genuinely just don't understand?

I am not grasping at anything mate I said the whole time they are a fundamental aspect of the character, and I maintain there are the whole time I have said there are several aspects to the character not just one thing, I havent changed what I have sad at all rather you keep trying to twist what I am saying

BTW the way you have changed what you are focusing on in this "argument" has convinced me that you must simply just be a WUM

For one thing you have no idea surrounding the circumstances of how the Undertaker even got his "powers." Or how he lost them. How can you even PROVE that he was resurrected from a corpse or that it wasn't just some dark magic/voodoo that made him zombie like while he as still alive? And yeah I know the tradition of the "zombi" going back to Haiti when it had nothing to do with being a literally resurrected corpse as well as Romero's fictional take inspired by Richard Matheson's "I Am Legend" AND?

He was clearly a human being during the American badass/Big Evil years and not some zombie in the traditional sense. Like I said you're grasping here. Zombies feel no pain. Taker had no powers.

His origin was exactly the same. maybe you need to look up the word origin. At some point he just changed to a normal man.

As for "lawyered" thats still ridiculous. Stick to the subject at hand.

As for changing the argument you're the one who has tried to use ever excuse you can by claiming one thing is something else in a desperate attempt to not be wrong. You're the guy that started arguing the semantics of what Taker is or isn't. Grasping.

 

[Daniel Thompson]

Hmmm...for those of us who watch both it could be fapworthy and I think even the TNA haters would show a little interest. WWE wouldn't get much out of it financially (might spice things up creatively and give them a new potential talent pool) but it would be a HUGE deal for TNA.

Like you said I can't see it happening but in a perfect world it would be nice if Foleys Lockdown book mention on Raw, Cenas thinly veiled TNA reference Raw, and Flair showing up at the the HOF were to lead to something along the lines of the original ECW invasion of WWF. Former TNA head of talent Terry Taylor might be heading back to WWE and long time WWE team member Bruce Prichard is at TNA. They could help grease the wheels.

Much like the old Superclash's it would be a booking nightmare. You'd need a genius booker(s). With Russo gone and somebody laying out some serious cash I'd love to see Cornette, Patterson, and Heyman come together to work with the WWE and TNA creative teams to book a one time only inter-promotional angle.

It wouldn't have to be majorly long term but a leadup to one show with some inter-promotional matches would be great.

Even if WWE got the lions share of the profits TNA could do nice and get some serious exposure.

The Superclash ppvs were between NWA and AWA right? Also with the right people behind it a WWE vs. TNA storyline and ppv can be great, but Vince will not allow TNA to get exposure because they could be a threat in the future afterwards.

 

[Metallo]

The Superclash ppvs were between NWA and AWA right? Also with the right people behind it a WWE vs. TNA storyline and ppv can be great, but Vince will not allow TNA to get exposure because they could be a threat in the future afterwards.

Yup. The later ones had talent from World Class and Memphis.

A WWE-TNA co promoted show will never happen for a lot of reasons...including the one you stated. TNA will probably never be a THREAT per se but McMahon still wouldn't do it. What would be in it for him would be his first question. They aren't hurting like they were in the mid 90's. Vince really has no need to consider it even though it could be a valuable idea in a lot of ways if he opened his mind to it the way he did with working with ECW.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I posted this pic before (not sure if you looked or didn't in order to be suprised sunday) but do you think that whats under the roof structure is the Cell?

Spoiler

http://1.sescoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/wrestlemania-28-set.jpg

I don't think it is, I think it might be the mesh like screen for the audience with obscured view to watch.

 

[Metallo]

YES Network on top nine Wrestlemania athletes
» Reported by Adam Martin of Wrestleview.com
» On March 28, 2012 at 5:36 pm

Kevin Sullivan sent us word that the YES Network website has profiled the "Top Nine WrestleMania Athlete Performances" featuring Muhammad Ali, Butterbean, Mike Tyson, Pete Rose and others.

Top Nine WrestleMania Athlete Performances
By Lou DiPietro

Sometimes, sports and entertainment collide…and sometimes, it happens in sports-entertainment.
As we chronicled a few weeks ago in The Niner, WrestleMania is biggest day on the WWE calendar. But it's not just for the wrestling - a handful of celebs are seen at 'Mania every year, and the sports world often dabbles into the WWE Universe as well.
The Yankees will have a big WrestleMania presence this year, as a handful of Bombers will be on hand at Joe Robbie/Pro Player/Landshark/Dolphins/Sun Life Stadium to witness the action live this weekend. With that in mind, we submit our list of the Top Nine Athlete Performances at WrestleMania.

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  MUHAMMAD ALI (WrestleMania I)
  
  
  Although Muhammad Ali didn't really need to do much as the "outside referee" for the main event of 1985's inaugural WrestleMania, we feel we would be remiss if we left "The Greatest" off any list that he qualified for.
  
  
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  AKEBONO (WrestleMania 21)
  
  
  The same WrestleMania that saw John Cena become the face of WWE also saw this Hawaiian-born Sumo Champion dispatch poor Big Show in a minute-long Sumo Match. Can't win 'em all ... or any, really, if you're Big Show, whose WrestleMania record dropped to 0-6 at that point.
  
  
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  ERIC "BUTTERBEAN" ESCH (WrestleMania XV)
  
  
  Bart Gunn's "reward" for winning WWE's 1998 "Brawl for All" toughman contest was a 'Mania date with Butterbean. It took the super heavyweight a mere 35 seconds (and one vicious right hook) to knock Gunn into the middle of next week and pretty much end his WWE career.
  
  
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  BOB UECKER (WrestleManias III and IV)
  
  
  "The Ueck" got a ringside seat for the first time in his life when he was the guest ring announcer for the epic main event at WrestleMania III. The following year, poor Bob left WrestleMania IV speechless after having Andre the Giant's hamhocks wrapped around his neck in the interview area.
  
  
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  WILLIAM "THE REFRIGERATOR" PERRY (WrestleMania 2)
  
  
  Fresh off the Bears' win in Super Bowl XX, "The Fridge" shuffled to the Rosemont Horizon to compete in a 20-Man Battle Royal at WrestleMania 2. He didn't win, but Perry's performance was so memorable that when 'Mania returned to Chicago 20 years later, he was inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame.
  
  
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  MIKE TYSON (WrestleMania XIV)
  
  
  As the special referee for WrestleMania XIV's main event, Tyson counted the pinfall that made Stone Cold Steve Austin the WWE Champion for the first time. Moments later, "Iron Mike" showed off his hands of stone by kayoing former champ (and alleged associate) Shawn Michaels for arguing the decision.
  
  
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  FLOYD MAYWEATHER (WrestleMania XXIV)
  
  
  After punking out Big Show at an earlier WWE PPV, Floyd Mayweather put his "Money" where his mouth was by defeating Show (albeit under dubious circumstances) at WrestleMania XXIV. But when the angry giant came looking for him afterwards, Floyd fled faster than you can say "Manny Pacquiao."
  
  
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  LAWRENCE TAYLOR (WrestleMania XI
  
  
  A confrontation at the 1995 Royal Rumble led to Lawrence Taylor main-eventing WrestleMania XI against Bam Bam Bigelow. He had his doubters, but after getting some sugar from rappers Salt-N-Pepa (who sung him down to the ring), LT proved that he could cut the WWE mustard by pinning Bigelow.
  
  
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  PETE ROSE (WrestleManias XIV, XV, and 2000)
  
  
  Pete Rose's bad comedy routine at WrestleMania XIV earned him a Tombstone Piledriver from Kane. The following year, his masquerade as the San Diego Chicken earned him a second. Want to guess what happened to poor Pete in 2000? Oh well ... at least he's in the WWE Hall of Fame.

http://www.yesnetwork.com/theniner/?ymd=20120328

Thoughts?

 

[Metallo]

I posted this pic before (not sure if you looked or didn't in order to be suprised sunday) but do you think that whats under the roof structure is the Cell?

I don't think it is, I think it might be the mesh like screen for the audience with obscured view to watch.

It it might be but its hard to see any detail. If the cell is that black now I like that.

Hanging that sucker in a stadium presents its own challenges.

 

[SpideyFan866]

YES Network on top nine Wrestlemania athletes
» Reported by Adam Martin of Wrestleview.com
» On March 28, 2012 at 5:36 pm

Kevin Sullivan sent us word that the YES Network website has profiled the "Top Nine WrestleMania Athlete Performances" featuring Muhammad Ali, Butterbean, Mike Tyson, Pete Rose and others.



Thoughts?

I hope that's in no particular order. Otherwise, I'd agree for the most part. Except for maybe the Lawrence Taylor match.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

Just thought of something Rey,and Cena have been probably Face for the longest out of the current roster.Who's the longest running as a heel currently.Ziggler?Miz?Vicki?