The Wrestling Thread Says, "Wait Just A Second There, Playa!"

[SpideyFan866]

It it might be but its hard to see any detail. If the cell is that black now I like that.

Hanging that sucker in a stadium presents its own challenges.

Yeah. I think that's the reason they

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went with a roof design more similar to the one they used for Wrestlemania IX.

It's much easier to hang a cage from one like that than one that has rounded or pyramid like supports like the ones at the previous 2 outdoor 'Manias had.

Plus the more I looked at that black cage looking thing under the structure, the more I think its not the cell.

Its much to small to be the Cell. It looks the be the same dimensions of the ring.

I think they'll be using a regular (if not a smidge shorter) cell.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Just thought of something Rey,and Cena have been probably Face for the longest out of the current roster.Who's the longest running as a heel currently.Ziggler?Miz?Vicki?

The Miz is the longest running heel.

He's been in the WWE full-time since 2006 and he's never been face.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

The Miz is the longest running heel.

He's been in the WWE full-time since 2006 and he's never been face.

Well he was a face as the Smackdown Host for awhile.

 

[Metallo]

I hope that's in no particular order. Otherwise, I'd agree for the most part. Except for maybe the Lawrence Taylor match.

Thats the countdown order.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Thats the countdown order.

I really don't like it. Those should be in a much different order.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Well he was a face as the Smackdown Host for awhile.

I meant as far as being a wrestler goes but yeah he was.

He's still the longest running heel though.

He has had the longest consective heel run of any of the other wrestlers.

Since becoming a full time wrestler in 2007, not once has he been face. 5 years straight.

No other wrestler can say that except for maybe Dolph Ziggler but he was under a different identity/gimmick then so it doesn't really count.

 

[Daniel Thompson]

Yup. The later ones had talent from World Class and Memphis.

A WWE-TNA co promoted show will never happen for a lot of reasons...including the one you stated. TNA will probably never be a THREAT per se but McMahon still wouldn't do it. What would be in it for him would be his first question. They aren't hurting like they were in the mid 90's. Vince really has no need to consider it even though it could be a valuable idea in a lot of ways if he opened his mind to it the way he did with working with ECW.

Which sucks because Pro Wrestling needs competition and for companies to help each other out. But Vince does not think like that nor will ever.

 

[Metallo]

Which sucks because Pro Wrestling needs competition and for companies to help each other out. But Vince does not think like that nor will ever.

I think in the past he has seen the value in such ventures but now not so much. I don't think he can think that far outside of the box. More companies is good for everybody.

I'd be great if WWE did something with ROH because they've proved to be a good place to scout young talent the way ECW used to be. Danielson, Punk, and McGuinness/Wolfe came out of ROH and those guys are/were amazing. Cornette would sh** though.

At the same time I can look at it from Vince's POV and see why he'd have no interest in something like this.

 

[Hunter Rider]

My 2 Cents,I think the problem with Cena is that he's corny.I think the day after he won his first WWE title.He got corny,and over the years it got worst and worst.It all started with the Deez Nuts line then came The Rap Album,Then he stopped rapping period,and became what alot of people don't want and that's Hulk Hogan part II.It just doesn't work in this era.

Instead of WWE trying to fix the problem and tweak his character,They ignore it and he gets shoved down people's throats.I can mentally hear Vince saying"Like him Dammit,He's gonna Puke"(I just alway hear Vince saying He's gonna Puke)
A character alteration worked well for The Rock so I think it could have done wonders for Cena.I'm not saying turn him heel.I just think they should have let him keep some of his edge.

That's the thing though, everyone is looking to be Wolverine or Batman these days, but is it wrong to have Captain America and Superman? I'm meaning in personality as opposed to match booking.

The Attitude era fostered this notion that to be over you have to be a wiseass trash talker and badass, with a cynical and cocky outlook, this is why the WWE is now full of chicken**** heels, because Vince is worried that if they book a badass heel the fans will cheer him because it's "Cool".

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Great stuff, wish we could have seen it as well.

That would be a hell of a surprise. Either Ziggler or Cody Rhodes could also really benefit. I can just imagine Rock making fun of Vickie Guerrero. I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet. Also there's a built in feud with Punk

Something tells me that Punk vs Rock is not gonna happen, it's two faces who are not different enough in the fanbase demographic for Vince to want to book it IMO, plus I wouldn't be surprised if Rock worked someone just a notch below who he would beat but get over at the same time, Ziggler would be ideal since Rock's "Humour" will get a full run out on poor Vickie.

I agree with that, my original bit to you was simply that characters such as the undertaker, mankind, kane etc... are clearly not just the person ramped up to 11 and have been successful (obviously not as much as the ones you mentioned)

With Taker, Kane and Hogan that is true because they are comic book characters in the purest sense, Mankind I disagree with because when he got really over was after his real life story and personality came through, I mean fans chanted Foley not Mankined or Cactus. The thing was when we started this Cena was the focus and since Cena is a regular guy in presentation I see him more like Austin or HBK in needing to play an extended version of himself, rather than go into being something devoid of who he is.

oh and on the whole Undertaker thing - never really cared for him tbh, even as a kid I thought the whole deadman thing was stupid.... now Biker Taker, I did like him

I feel the same way, respect the man immensely but was never a fan.

I'm just gonna say - Hunter was sure to mention to me how I took a dig at Metallo, but I'm curious to see if hell remain consistent and impartial and do the same for Metallo calling me a ***** and calling my opinion "******ed", along with making inferences about me having a lesser opinion... "someone like you"

Anyways, i get that wrestlers are themselves ramped up to 11, but they are also fictional creations as well that are fundamentally different from the real person. Both things can be true.

Well I guess you're never gonna know now are you? Y'see calling me out like that means my position becomes inpossible, I don't jump when you tell me to or try to score points off me because you don't like me. If you'd waited until I came back to this thread you'd have gotten your answer, trying to be a wiseass means now you'll never know.

For the record though, I wasn't modding you on the previous post, I was saying make a post on the discussion not just the poster, because the latter is cowardly.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I think in the past he has seen the value in such ventures but now not so much. I don't think he can think that far outside of the box. More companies is good for everybody.

I'd be great if WWE did something with ROH because they've proved to be a good place to scout young talent the way ECW used to be. Danielson, Punk, and McGuinness/Wolfe came out of ROH and those guys are/were amazing. Cornette would sh** though.

At the same time I can look at it from Vince's POV and see why he'd have no interest in something like this.

Yeah. While they aren't a big threat now, promoting another organization on your shows could make them such.

BTW, Here's a less spoilery version of the WM28 construction. Much more stripped down. It just gives you an idea of how the ring will be placed in relation to the rest of the stadium.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I don't see WWE and TNA doing a crossover but count me in as wanting a Punk/Roode feud if Roode decided to jump ship.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I don't see WWE and TNA doing a crossover but count me in as wanting a Punk/Roode feud if Roode decided to jump ship.

Agreed. Same thing goes for if James Storm jumped ship. I would love to see James Storm versus CM Punk.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

That's the thing though, everyone is looking to be Wolverine or Batman these days, but is it wrong to have Captain America and Superman? I'm meaning in personality as opposed to match booking.

The Attitude era fostered this notion that to be over you have to be a wiseass trash talker and badass, with a cynical and cocky outlook, this is why the WWE is now full of chicken**** heels, because Vince is worried that if they book a badass heel the fans will cheer him because it's "Cool".

Everyone loves the badass anti-hero nowadays to the point where that's all that people want really.Stuff like John Carter or other straight up good guys don't really work as much due to the cynical nature of modern society.Dark and Edgy or fun and ironic is what most people crave for.

That's my hypothesis atleast.

 

[NDX]

I don't see WWE and TNA doing a crossover but count me in as wanting a Punk/Roode feud if Roode decided to jump ship.

One hopes Roode gets fed up and jumps to the 'E before the end of the year.

 

[Benstamania]

John Cena is pretty close to Captain America mentality wise. Maybe that's why I like the guy, haha.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I still can't find the latest episode of FCW anywhere.

Agreed. Same thing goes for if James Storm jumped ship. I would love to see James Storm versus CM Punk.

It would be interesting to see what WWE did with Storm as his promo style is not always PG friendly.

Everyone loves the badass anti-hero nowadays to the point where that's all that people want really.Stuff like John Carter or other straight up good guys don't really work as much due to the cynical nature of modern society.Dark and Edgy or fun and ironic is what most people crave for.

That's my hypothesis atleast.

You're right but I think that is what makes Cena unique, he isn't bowing to that mindset, he's staying ture to who he is.

One hopes Roode gets fed up and jumps to the 'E before the end of the year.

Any idea when Roode's deal is up with TNA?

 

[Metallo]

The Attitude era fostered this notion that to be over you have to be a wiseass trash talker and badass, with a cynical and cocky outlook, this is why the WWE is now full of chicken**** heels, because Vince is worried that if they book a badass heel the fans will cheer him because it's "Cool".

Thats a good point. And since most new guys debut as heels now anyway it takes even longer to get some solid faces. We're stuck with piss poor heels and they're afraid to debute classic babyfaces. Its really hard to get new talent over now. It seems like it took twice as long to elevate Sheamus properly.

Something tells me that Punk vs Rock is not gonna happen, it's two faces who are not different enough in the fanbase demographic for Vince to want to book it IMO, plus I wouldn't be surprised if Rock worked someone just a notch below who he would beat but get over at the same time, Ziggler would be ideal since Rock's "Humour" will get a full run out on poor Vickie.

Yeah I think it would just confuse the crowd since Rock won't be a heel and it would be lame to force Punk to turn heel. In he end they'd both get cheered...kinda. But if Rock doesn't like Cenas promo style he'd neve rbe able to handle Punks. I can't see Rock winning over as much of the crowd in a feud against Punk if both are babyfaces. Punk says stuff the way people wish they could and he looks the way a good chunk of the the crowds like to look.

Yeah. While they aren't a big threat now, promoting another organization on your shows could make them such.

BTW, Here's a less spoilery version of the WM28 construction. Much more stripped down. It just gives you an idea of how the ring will be placed in relation to the rest of the stadium.

The scale of that is pretty impressive. The people look like ants.

 

[Superark]

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WWE has been negotiating with Brock Lesnar on a return to the company. There's been some discussion that the two sides have been talking about Brock returning at Wrestlemania this sunday and maybe getting involved with Cena and the Rock closing the show. The two sides are still talking and nothing set in stone

 

[Incrediblejeff]

You're right but I think that is what makes Cena unique, he isn't bowing to that mindset, he's staying ture to who he is.

I suppose so,I guess that's why most people like Cena.Me personally I'm a cynical bastard that hates almost everything,but I can see why people like him.

 

[Metallo]

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WWE has been negotiating with Brock Lesnar on a return to the company. There's been some discussion that the two sides have been talking about Brock returning at Wrestlemania this sunday and maybe getting involved with Cena and the Rock closing the show. The two sides are still talking and nothing set in stone

Damn that would be huge but I still don't want any interference in this....but that would be a big deal When they say "return" do they mean on a full time basis? Semi regular? Sporadically? Limited run ala Jericho?

A Brock run in solves the huge problem with the finish and would keep some people from being too angry at a dusty finish/DQ but a match like this built up this long should end clean.

 

[SpideyFan866]

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WWE has been negotiating with Brock Lesnar on a return to the company. There's been some discussion that the two sides have been talking about Brock returning at Wrestlemania this sunday and maybe getting involved with Cena and the Rock closing the show. The two sides are still talking and nothing set in stone

I read a rumor that, if he does return, they are making it an option of using him in a match against SC Steve Austin.

I think that feud would be better executed if Austin faced Punk w/ Lesnar as Special Guest referee/Special enforcer.

It would make sense considering that both Punk and Lesnar are both "Heyman Guys".

 

[Superark]

Damn that would be huge but I still don't want any interference in this....but that would be a big deal When they say "return" do they mean on a full time basis? Semi regular? Sporadically? Limited run ala Jericho?

They were talking like Brock would possibly come out after the match was over and layout both men.

It would most likely be sporadically. Brock has never had any desire to return full time, especially at this point in his life.

I read a rumor that, if he does return, they are making it an option of using him in a match against SC Steve Austin.

I think that feud would be better executed if Austin faced Punk w/ Lesnar as Special Guest referee/Special enforcer.

It would make sense considering that both Punk and Lesnar are both "Heyman Guys".

Brock would not be returning to face Austin. Austin would not risk his health returning to face a guy like Brock. His neck is in bad shape and he is going to wrestle a guy who is safe and he can trust in the ring to take care of him. Brock is not that guy. Austin would face Punk. Brock? No chance in hell!

 

[Hunter Rider]

WWE's logic over why Del Rio was left off the GM tag match would make sense if not for Miz being in the match. At any rate I think holding back his and Rey's return until after Mania is a good idea, along with the Lord Tensai debut and the full return of Christian it will add some freshness to the first couple of post-Mania months that are always difficult after the high, more so this year as 4 of the 5 guys most of the spotlight is on wont be around.

Thats a good point. And since most new guys debut as heels now anyway it takes even longer to get some solid faces. We're stuck with piss poor heels and they're afraid to debute classic babyfaces. Its really hard to get new talent over now. It seems like it took twice as long to elevate Sheamus properly.

Yeah I think it would just confuse the crowd since Rock won't be a heel and it would be lame to force Punk to turn heel. In he end they'd both get cheered...kinda. But if Rock doesn't like Cenas promo style he'd neve rbe able to handle Punks. I can't see Rock winning over as much of the crowd in a feud against Punk if both are babyfaces. Punk says stuff the way people wish they could and he looks the way a good chunk of the the crowds like to look.

This is why Punk talked about being unsure when he and Cena would work together again as Vince doesn't want to put fans in a choose position, because it's took WWE so long to get another face really over with the audience.

Sheamus face push has essentially seen him rebuilt from the ground up
, if you notice unlike with Ziggler and Swagger they don't often mention Sheamus was a former WWE champion, because they want those two runs in the distant memory given how they botched them so badly.

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WWE has been negotiating with Brock Lesnar on a return to the company. There's been some discussion that the two sides have been talking about Brock returning at Wrestlemania this sunday and maybe getting involved with Cena and the Rock closing the show. The two sides are still talking and nothing set in stone

Interesting, if Brock was back for more than just a match it would be cool, have it revealed Triple H had him help Cena win as it was good for business, then have fans wondering if Cena was in on it. Rock vs Brock at the 25th Anniversary of Summerslam, a decade on from their only other meeting would be cool.

I suppose so,I guess that's why most people like Cena.Me personally I'm a cynical bastard that hates almost everything,but I can see why people like him.

I'm somewhere in the middle.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Brock would not be returning to face Austin. Austin would not risk his health returning to face a guy like Brock. His neck is in bad shape and he is going to wrestle a guy who is safe and he can trust in the ring to take care of him. Brock is not that guy. Austin would face Punk. Brock? No chance in hell!

Hasn't Austin said he'd like to wrestle Brock just recently?

 

[Nightmare]

The ideas and potential for a Austin/Punk feud would be amazing!!!

Also, i think the little kid inside of me would explode if i saw brock lesnar return to a wwe ring.