The Wrestling Thread Says, "Wait Just A Second There, Playa!"

[Incrediblejeff]

People want all anti heroes now and Cena isn't that so he gets booed by SOME people, whats great is though he doesn't care and that only pisses them off more meaning all his matches have great crowd heat with dueling chants and plenty of atmosphere, hence no point in changing him to appease those stuck in 1999.

My 2 Cents,I think the problem with Cena is that he's corny.I think the day after he won his first WWE title.He got corny,and over the years it got worst and worst.It all started with the Deez Nuts line then came The Rap Album,Then he stopped rapping period,and became what alot of people don't want and that's Hulk Hogan part II.It just doesn't work in this era.

Instead of WWE trying to fix the problem and tweak his character,They ignore it and he gets shoved down people's throats.I can mentally hear Vince saying"Like him Dammit,He's gonna Puke"(I just alway hear Vince saying He's gonna Puke)
A character alteration worked well for The Rock so I think it could have done wonders for Cena.I'm not saying turn him heel.I just think they should have let him keep some of his edge.

 

[Metallo]

VIDEO: Arn Anderson Speaks to Live Crowd at 3/25 WWE Event

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[Kaleb]

VIDEO: Arn Anderson Speaks to Live Crowd at 3/25 WWE Event

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thanks for posting this, was hoping somone would.

 

[Metallo]

Its nice to know someone would appreciate what Double A had to say.

I know he can't get a laugh from some people who think corny prepubescent jokes about an anus or fruity pebbles are the greatest thing ever but I always though he was great.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Picture of the "WrestleMania 28" set being constructed.

Spoiler

 

[bullets]

I'd love to see Orton punt Rock on Raw after Mania and set up a match between the two at Summerslam. Another option we be a guy that would be elevated just by being in a feud with Rock, like Ziggler or maybe Cody who could play off the 3rd generation angle.

That would be a hell of a surprise. Either Ziggler or Cody Rhodes could also really benefit. I can just imagine Rock making fun of Vickie Guerrero. I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet. Also there's a built in feud with Punk

Orton went awol?just walked away from WWE or what??

Orton talks about it on his dvd. He was bullied throughout high school and then after joining he got harassed at his unit. It's shameful to go awol but considering he did it in the early stage of his military career I don't feel an ill will towards him. It's not for everybody and probably better he didn't choke on the battlefield.

 

[Kaleb]

This Sunday, April 1, beginning at 7:00 PM EST on pay-per-view, WWE presents the pinnacle of its year when WrestleMania XXVIII brings the world’s greatest gladiators together for the Showcase of the Immortals. Three days later on Wednesday, April 4, the two most powerful factions in the Marvel Universe kick off a war of their own as AVENGERS VS. X-MEN #1 hits stands and the Marvel Comics app.

To get set for both of these monumental collisions, we got some of WWE’s biggest Superstars and Fightin’ Fanboys to comment on their dates with destiny at WrestleMania as well as what they see coming to pass in AvX.
Up first, WWE Champion CM Punk, who will put his title on the line against Chris Jericho coming up Sunday, spoke up about his impending match, WrestleMania memories, belief in Captain America, plus much more, including his kinship to Tony Stark.

Marvel.com: With WrestleMania almost here, how are you feeling about the event?
CM Punk: You know, it’s the biggest show of the year for us, and with that, it’s packaged with all the hype [and] publicity that one would come to expect with an event like WrestleMania. Part of me is anxious to get it over with. But then there’s that part of me who is super excited to get in the ring and preform for all the fans [that] have been supporting me. I’ve done a few of these now, but this by far is my biggest one.

Marvel.com: If your WrestleMania match with Chris Jericho were a Marvel comic, how would you write it to play out?
CM Punk: Man, I don’t know. It’s me versus Chris Jericho, a legend in the business—I don’t think it could be contained in anything less than a 12-part series. I mean maybe something a bit smaller, but it would definitely need to have a giant-sized kick off and finale. But I can tell you what, the last panel has him taking a nap, me counting my money and surrounded by ladies. The end.

Marvel.com: What is your favorite WrestleMania match or moment of all-time?
CM Punk: WrestleMania 13, right in my backyard of Chicago. Bret “The Hitman” Hart vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin. I can remember every punch thrown, every bodyslam and every submission move. It’s just one of those perfect matches that told a story. There’s just so many to choose from, but this match is the one that sticks out the most.

Marvel.com: Which team are you supporting in Avengers Vs. X-Men? Why do you think they will win?
CM Punk: I’ve never been the biggest fan of mutants. They’re pretty damn powerful, y’know? But seriously, when you have Captain America, Thor and Iron Man together as a team, there’s no threat they can’t handle. In this super hero war, I’m with the Avengers

Marvel.com: Who do you think will win if Captain America battles Cyclops?
CM Punk: Captain America. Hands down. Nobody in the Marvel Universe has the experience he has, and he can definitely outwit, outsmart and outlast Cyke.

Marvel.com: Who do you think will win if Storm battles Thor?CM Punk: No contest: Thor. I mean, the guy is a god—how do you take someone like him down? Don’t get me wrong, Storm is one hell of a warrior, but Thor has taken on Ragnarok head on!

Marvel.com: Which side do you think Wolverine will choose? Which one should he choose?CM Punk: Ah, right; this is the tricky one. Personally, I think Wolverine is an X-Man through and through. Regardless of his differences with Cyclops, the guy grew up with the team, respects Xavier, and cares for the well-being and preservation of mutantkind. When it finally comes time to make a decision, I think he’s going home.

Marvel.com: Which X-Man or Avenger do you consider yourself most like?CM Punk: Tony Stark—without the alcohol, obviously. The guy has all the coolest toys in the toy-box.

Marvel.com: Let’s say Tony Stark were to come out during your match at WrestleMania, what music would he come out to?
CM Punk: [Frank] Sinatra; not the most exciting entrance, but that’s the kind of guy I think Tony is. Suave, sophisticated and obviously would have been a part of the Rat Pack.

source:marvel.com

 

[bullets]

Reason For Alberto Del Rio & Christian Aren't Booked For WrestleMania 28

Submitted by Michael Bluth on March 28, 2012 - 11:14am

WWE sources have confirmed that Christian was pulled from the WrestleMania 28 Team Laurinaitis vs. Team Long match because of issues with his ankle. There was hope that he'd be able to compete with the injury, but the decision to pull Christian from the card was made on Monday.
As for why Alberto Del Rio is not booked for the show, he was originally booked to be a member of Team Laurinaitis, but WWE officials felt the match was "below him" and not fitting for a former WWE Champion in line for a big push in the coming months. That said, it's worth noting that former champions Dolph Ziggler, Jack Swagger and The Miz are all in the match.
WWE is planning a dramatic return for Alberto Del Rio after WrestleMania and Randy Orton has been discussed as his next big feud.
Despite being pulled from the 12 man match, both Del Rio and Christian will be in attendance this Sunday and will likely appear on camera.








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[Nell2ThaIzzay]

This is just you trying to bait Metallo now, if you want to add some actual thoughts to the debate then do so as opposed to simply taking digs at a person.

I finished my piece in it last night, I quoted the fact that on record many top stars including Rock, HBK and Austin have all said they got over because their on screen character was just them with the volume turned up to 11, if some don't believe them then so be it.

I don't doubt that they turn certain personality traits up 9 notches, in fact that's what I like about these characters, but to say that these characters are fundamentally who these real people are is absurd.

You can turn your personality up to 11 while still being a fundamentally different and fictional character. Shawn Michaels isn't Shawn Michael Higgenbottom. Triple H isn't Paul Levesque. The Miz isn't Mike Mizanin. There are certainly shared traits that make the characters great, but they aren't fundamentally the same person.

 

[Metallo]

Marvel.com: Which X-Man or Avenger do you consider yourself most like?CM Punk: Tony Stark—without the alcohol, obviously. The guy has all the coolest toys in the toy-box.

source:marvel.com

Demon in a Pepsi Bottle.

Reason For Alberto Del Rio & Christian Aren't Booked For WrestleMania 28

Submitted by Michael Bluth on March 28, 2012 - 11:14am

WWE sources have confirmed that Christian was pulled from the WrestleMania 28 Team Laurinaitis vs. Team Long match because of issues with his ankle. There was hope that he'd be able to compete with the injury, but the decision to pull Christian from the card was made on Monday.
As for why Alberto Del Rio is not booked for the show, he was originally booked to be a member of Team Laurinaitis, but WWE officials felt the match was "below him" and not fitting for a former WWE Champion in line for a big push in the coming months. That said, it's worth noting that former champions Dolph Ziggler, Jack Swagger and The Miz are all in the match.
WWE is planning a dramatic return for Alberto Del Rio after WrestleMania and Randy Orton has been discussed as his next big feud.
Despite being pulled from the 12 man match, both Del Rio and Christian will be in attendance this Sunday and will likely appear on camera.

I figured they were holding off on Del Rios return because he was still injured but their reasoning makes sense. If they want a serious push for him I can understand something more tailored to him.

A dark match with Del Rio seems a little pointless if they want his return to be that big. Then again most wont even see it so it couldn't hurt a lot.

If this team match is going to be that silly I feel sorry for some of the participants. Especially Ziggler. At least they will be getting a spot on the Mania card and a big payday.

 

[Metallo]

I don't doubt that they turn certain personality traits up 9 notches, in fact that's what I like about these characters, but to say that these characters are fundamentally who these real people are is absurd.

You can turn your personality up to 11 while still being a fundamentally different and fictional character. Shawn Michaels isn't Shawn Michael Higgenbottom. Triple H isn't Paul Levesque. The Miz isn't Mike Mizanin. There are certainly shared traits that make the characters great, but they aren't fundamentally the same person.

Once again someone who missed the point of what I was trying to say. I never said they were the same people. I said parts of those people were at the core of those characters. They made up the foundation of those characters. Get a damn dictionary and look up the word fundamental.

If you stopped looking at your Rock poster long enough in your Attitude Era bedroom you might understand that. You think Miz's jokes are comedy genius so how the f*** could someone like you understand what I'm trying to say anyway?

You lapped it up when the Miz was world champion when THAT was fundamentally ******ed. While at the same time praising him for the same stuff you criticized others for.

Now you can continue crying like a b*** that people are ganging up on you again like you always do.

 

[spidey-dude]

Metallo I actually can't be bothered to keep going round in circles with this, you ignore quite alot of my points or miss them entirely - for instance the ammount of times I have said Mark incorporates certain traits into his Undertaker persona yet are still fundamentally different, naming one or 2 traits and then explaining to me how wrestlers use some personal things in their personas doesnt even contradict my point.... it is clear we are going to disagree because we are different types of fans, I mean hell you are so stubborn you can't even acknowledge that I am a casual fan (really whatever you choose to believe I am, I don't even watch whole episodes and I dont go on wrestling sites, just here as its a forum I frequent anyway and i like quite a few of the members in this thread like hunter vp and actually nell)

As for you saying I don't like Cena because they dont do what I want them to do with him - well yeah, although I wouldnt care if they didnt do what I would like to see (which is him as a heel as I think he would absolutely boss it, just like the Rock and Stone Cold did when they were heels) I just think that ALOT of people don't like him because he is stale

I finished my piece in it last night, I quoted the fact that on record many top stars including Rock, HBK and Austin have all said they got over because their on screen character was just them with the volume turned up to 11, if some don't believe them then so be it.

I agree with that, my original bit to you was simply that characters such as the undertaker, mankind, kane etc... are clearly not just the person ramped up to 11 and have been successful (obviously not as much as the ones you mentioned)


oh and on the whole Undertaker thing - never really cared for him tbh, even as a kid I thought the whole deadman thing was stupid.... now Biker Taker, I did like him

 

[spidey-dude]

My 2 Cents,I think the problem with Cena is that he's corny.I think the day after he won his first WWE title.He got corny,and over the years it got worst and worst.It all started with the Deez Nuts line then came The Rap Album,Then he stopped rapping period,and became what alot of people don't want and that's Hulk Hogan part II.It just doesn't work in this era.

Instead of WWE trying to fix the problem and tweak his character,They ignore it and he gets shoved down people's throats.I can mentally hear Vince saying"Like him Dammit,He's gonna Puke"(I just alway hear Vince saying He's gonna Puke)
A character alteration worked well for The Rock so I think it could have done wonders for Cena.I'm not saying turn him heel.I just think they should have let him keep some of his edge.

pretty muched summed up alot of my feelings toward Cena

 

[Incrediblejeff]

pretty muched summed up alot of my feelings toward Cena

Even the "He's gonna Puke" part?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I'm just gonna say - Hunter was sure to mention to me how I took a dig at Metallo, but I'm curious to see if hell remain consistent and impartial and do the same for Metallo calling me a ***** and calling my opinion "******ed", along with making inferences about me having a lesser opinion... "someone like you"

Anyways, i get that wrestlers are themselves ramped up to 11, but they are also fictional creations as well that are fundamentally different from the real person. Both things can be true.

 

[Metallo]

Metallo I actually can't be bothered to keep going round in circles with this, you ignore quite alot of my points or miss them entirely - for instance the ammount of times I have said Mark incorporates certain traits into his Undertaker persona yet are still fundamentally different, naming one or 2 traits and then explaining to me how wrestlers use some personal things in their personas doesnt even contradict my point.... it is clear we are going to disagree because we are different types of fans, I mean hell you are so stubborn you can't even acknowledge that I am a casual fan (really whatever you choose to believe I am, I don't even watch whole episodes and I dont go on wrestling sites, just here as its a forum I frequent anyway and i like quite a few of the members in this thread like hunter vp and actually nell)

I'm not ignoring anything you say You just refuse to explain what you mean when I've laid out the facts. You refuse to saw what the Undertaker IS at his core without the theatrics when I have no problem giving my view on it.

Maybe its because you're such a so called casual fan that you don't know how wrestling works You try to simplify it to a point thats just not accurate just to stubbornly try to prove some point. No matter what you WANT it to be that doesn't mean it is.

If anything you've repeatedly ignored or refused to acknowledge anything. Then you generalize what I say and put words in my mouth.

You won't even answer my questions! How hard is that? If you can write paragraph after paragraph surely you could write one more sentence and yet you stubbornly blow it off.

As for you saying I don't like Cena because they dont do what I want them to do with him - well yeah, although I wouldnt care if they didnt do what I would like to see (which is him as a heel as I think he would absolutely boss it, just like the Rock and Stone Cold did when they were heels) I just think that ALOT of people don't like him because he is stale

A lot of characters in WWE are stale but they don't get nearly the sh** Cena does. People have called Orton stale for years but wheres the backlash against him? its not so much about him being stale as a certain vocal segment of the fanbase wanting to amuse themselves by being a**holes. Some of those same smarks in the anti Cena shirts actually go to meet him at signings and meet and greats and shake his hand before or after they boo him out of the building.

If he was THAT stale they wouldn't care either way or wouldn't even go to the shows. Those anti establishment fans enjoy what they do.

 

[Metallo]

I'm just gonna say - Hunter was sure to mention to me how I took a dig at Metallo, but I'm curious to see if hell remain consistent and impartial and do the same for Metallo calling me a ***** and calling my opinion "******ed", along with making inferences about me having a lesser opinion... "someone like you"

Anyways, i get that wrestlers are themselves ramped up to 11, but they are also fictional creations as well that are fundamentally different from the real person. Both things can be true.

How was Michael Hickenbottom being an a**hole in the 90's fictitious? How is Austin being a beer drinking redneck guy from Texas fictitious. How is Rock being funny and confident or Flair being a party loving ladies man fictitious?

Maybe if you opened your eyes instead of looking down your nose at us so called IWC fans you MIGHT see something else.

How dare you play the victim when you label and criticize people in this thread all the damn time with your condescending "anti so called IWC" posts.

You expect anyone to see you as the victim when you come here and complain about how you HATE talking to people on this thread because you see wrestling different from most of us? You label us and generalize us and stereotype us. All the while you do the super fake "woe is me" act. Thats ridiculously pathetic.

Hunter can do what he wants but everybody here saw that you took a shot at me and I had said NOTHING to you. You just did it out of spite all the while making fun of me with a personal attack.

 

[spidey-dude]

I'm not ignoring anything you say You just refuse to explain what you mean when I've laid out the facts. You refuse to saw what the Undertaker IS at his core without the theatrics when I have no problem giving my view on it.

Maybe its because you're such a so called casual fan that you don't know how wrestling works You try to simplify it to a point thats just not accurate just to stubbornly try to prove some point. No matter what you WANT it to be that doesn't mean it is.

If anything you've repeatedly ignored or refused to acknowledge anything. Then you generalize what I say and put words in my mouth.

You won't even answer my questions! How hard is that? If you can write paragraph after paragraph surely you could write one more sentence and yet you stubbornly blow it off.

Fundamentally the undertaker (the character) is an undead supernatural being who is a proud warrior - my point is a character so elaborately OTT and ridiculous cannot be classed as fundamentally the same, you keep saying strip away all the theatrics, they are a fundamental part of the Undertaker though they are intrinsic to the persona - you keep stripping away fundamental parts of who he is until you have the most simplistic of traits, I have agreed they share traits but there are other fundamental aspects of the character which makes him different to the man Mark Calloway, but I have been repeating this time and time again which is why I think we should agree to disagree over it

A lot of characters in WWE are stale but they don't get nearly the sh** Cena does. People have called Orton stale for years but wheres the backlash against him? its not so much about him being stale as a certain vocal segment of the fanbase wanting to amuse themselves by being a**holes. Some of those same smarks in the anti Cena shirts actually go to meet him at signings and meet and greats and shake his hand before or after they boo him out of the building.

I actually really like Orton - although maybe its because I don't see him as often because he is on smackdown

 

[Metallo]

Fundamentally the undertaker (the character) is an undead supernatural being who is a proud warrior - my point is a character so elaborately OTT and ridiculous cannot be classed as fundamentally the same, you keep saying strip away all the theatrics, they are a fundamental part of the Undertaker though they are intrinsic to the persona - you keep stripping away fundamental parts of who he is until you have the most simplistic of traits, I have agreed they share traits but there are other fundamental aspects of the character which makes him different to the man Mark Calloway, but I have been repeating this time and time again which is why I think we should agree to disagree over it

Except your problem there is that since when has the Undertaker ALWAYS been undead? When were the American badass and Big Evil incarnations undead? He was still the Undertaker with a lot of the same traits. He didn't change his name and he still did most of the same moves! I'm not talking about POWERS but his personality. Even without the Deadman gimmick his character still has a personality.

Even when he became The American Badass he still had the EXACT same origin. Kane was STILL his brother. They didn't do some wholesale gimmick change that stripped everything away. The character is MORE than just his powers.

I actually really like Orton - although maybe its because I don't see him as often because he is on smackdown

But a lot of people HAVE watched him. And before he was on Smackdown he got plenty of airtime on Raw. Yet he has NEVER gotten the hate Cena has from the general WWE audience. Even the people that don't like Orton
don't boo him the way the Cena haters boo Cena. He's also never been as over as Cena.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Nope. Orton, while very popular, has never gotten the reaction Cena, or even Punk, gets.

Mainly because, even when he's a face, Orton fights like a heel so its kinda hard to get behind him as the face in a feud.

 

[Soapy]

Personally, I just think he's really boring. On the mic, in the ring, doesn't matter.

 

[TX85]

Cool Marvel interview with Punk!

 

[Metallo]

Nope. Orton, while very popular, has never gotten the reaction Cena, or even Punk, gets.

Mainly because, even when he's a face, Orton fights like a heel so its kinda hard to get behind him as the face in a feud.

Orton's a kind of anti hero most of the time when he's not a full blown heel. They made him the face/star of Smackdown but it seems like he's never really taken off in that role the way they expected.

He's mechanically sound in the ring but his work is at the same time robotic. The only time I feel he's ever really had some fire in the ring is as a heel because he gets to add more flare.

Some of us here have seen the same problems you point out with his "face" work. Faces don't do some of the things he does. At least not since the Attitude Era.

While some people see Orton as stale its never gotten his the kind of vitriol Cena gets. That tells me that MAYBE the Cena hate is about a lot more than his "staleness."

Even when Kurt Angle finally got over with the fans as a face they STILL did the stupid "you suck" chant to his music. WWE had to figure out a couple of ways to use that. Did Angle suck? of course not. The fans who did it just wanted to amuse themselves.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

T

I read that the deal is WWE will mention TNA on the broadcast.

lol "hey ric its great your back, by the way hows that tna thing going, isn't some kinda old mans strip club"

 

[Metallo]

lol "hey ric its great your back, by the way hows that tna thing going, isn't some kinda old mans strip club"

If Mickie, Brook Adams, and Velvet stripped for me I'd go there.