The Year 2012 (Merged)

So you don't believe in the validity of the Bible?

I'm just curious to know why people who profess their particular religion can at the same time reject some parts of their scripture while accepting others?

Ok, I never said that...

I'm Catholic, I go to catholic school, I go to mass everyday (yes in my school I have to) I don't reject God, Jesus, or the Bible. You do understand though every word in the Bible shouldn't be taken to heart. Am I really supposed to believe that the world is going to end exactly the way Revelation says it is? No, because it isn't. It represents the time when Nero was persecuting Catholics.
 
Ok, I never said that...


I know. That was an assumption on my part

I'm Catholic, I go to catholic school, I go to mass everyday (yes in my school I have to) I don't reject God, Jesus, or the Bible. You do understand though every word in the Bible shouldn't be taken to heart. Am I really supposed to believe that the world is going to end exactly the way Revelation says it is? No, because it isn't. It represents the time when Nero was persecuting Catholics.

So can it be said that you don't always take a literal interpretation of the bible?
 
So can it be said that you don't always take a literal interpretation of the bible?

Not always. I'd like to believe most of it really happened the way it was written but the fact that there are so many different translations and versions that you can't take every word to heart.
 
Not always. I'd like to believe most of it really happened the way it was written but the fact that there are so many different translations and versions that you can't take every word to heart.

I understand and I agree.
 
I think 2012 as the end of the world is bs too but that doesn't mean that something highly significant won't happen.

Raybia, how come you quoted me twice? Just wondering.

Well Jesus and god are two seperate entity's. Don't quote me on this but Jesus himself says only "The father knows" when the world will end....

The way I look at it is like this. The relationship of the Holy Trinity is a paradox. They are all the same entity, and they are not the same entity. God, the Father, was there since the beginning. He was the creator. He split himself into two other forms. The Son, and the Holy Ghost/Spirit. Technically, they are all the same, and technically, they are different. It'd be like if you were Multiple Man (:o), and you split yourself into two other versions of yourself. They are 100% you, but they are also their own entity.

Anyway, I think that Jesus would know. I mean, Jesus is chillin' up there sitting next to his Dad. Why wouldn't He know?

You are mistaken.



He said: "The Shadow knows..."

:up:

Not always. I'd like to believe most of it really happened the way it was written but the fact that there are so many different translations and versions that you can't take every word to heart.

You're right. The Bible has been around for a long time. Just like core Christianity (that started once Jesus ascended back into Heaven), it has been diluted with every generation and it continues to get diluted. The Bible has been through so much. For all we know, we may have had many other books by many other prophets, or more books from Paul, John, etc. Maybe their were more Psalms? This is also why with my understanding of Christianity, I don't follow it by the book, so to speak. I take Christianity, and I make it my own, too. For example, in the creation, maybe it wasn't in seven days. I mean that in the days that we know. Maybe a day was more figurative, you know? Same with who goes to Heaven. I don't believe that only Christians go to Heaven. I believe (and hope) that even Muslims, Buddhists, (etc.) can get into Heaven (I created a thread about this about two years ago that some might remember). I take the book of Revelation and look at it figuratively. I don't really think that a monster is going to come out of the sea and have ten horns on it's head, etc. I believe that the Bible was left for us to interpret. It was left figurative, so we can make it what it possibly could be.

That's just me...
 
I'm 75% sure that in sometime late in the year 2011, we'll definitely be aware of something to come. I've watched and read dozens of articles about Planet X, Nibiru, Mayan and Nostradamus prophecies and other of the sort, and I must say, no other year, not even the year 2000 has had as much religious and more important SCIENTIFIC significance around it than 2012. When 2010 comes, I'm definitely going to take steps to prepare, because I believe it'll be worth the hassle in the long run. Heck, if not the magnetic pole reversal, the galaxial equator, Planet X, comets, whatever, we still have a nuclear war to be weary of.

We all know that's gonna happen pretty soon.

-TNC
 
can't believe this is still going..but

personally

I think we'll just go through some world-wide human conciousness transcending all boundries of our world time, space, sub-concious etc...


if not then.....

idk but The Mayas, Ancient Egyptians, Aztecs they all knew something we don't ...obviously just on the engineering(pyramids) we cannot duplicate their precision I doubt we even have the mind capable of even understanding what they were trying to calculate to.
 
I'm 75% sure that in sometime late in the year 2011, we'll definitely be aware of something to come. I've watched and read dozens of articles about Planet X, Nibiru, Mayan and Nostradamus prophecies and other of the sort, and I must say, no other year, not even the year 2000 has had as much religious and more important SCIENTIFIC significance around it than 2012. When 2010 comes, I'm definitely going to take steps to prepare, because I believe it'll be worth the hassle in the long run. Heck, if not the magnetic pole reversal, the galaxial equator, Planet X, comets, whatever, we still have a nuclear war to be weary of.

We all know that's gonna happen pretty soon.

-TNC

The thing that scares me is that we don't know. I believe that 2012 is bs, but we don't know for sure.
 
The way I see it, I don't have any proof against the dozens and dozens of articles and documentaries that talk about this stuff, so I should take what they say at least with some respect and regard. Heck, it reminds me of all of those other times in the past where philosophers and prophets were deemed crazy with their theories until they were proven otherwise afterwards and now we follow and know these discoveries to be scientific fact.

I highly suggest that any of you that aren't sure about this to take a stroll on Google.com or Youtube. There's a lot of information out there about it.

-TNC
 
i believe the mayan calender is cyclic, like a clock. if a clock strikes 12 people don't think the world is going to end tho.
 
But it's not just the Mayan calendar...It's a lot of other celestial stuff that's supposed to converge around that time..

-TNC
 
the calender is based on the celestial stuff getting to a point of repetition. like if we cycled through all the ages of the zodiac. you're getting into planets aligning having significance like stuff tho.
 
I don't want the world to end therefore I refuse to believe it will :o
 
In the bible, it says that NOBODY will know when the world shall end, not even Jesus, or any of the prophets, or any man...so this is B.S.

1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."
3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"
4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,(most understand this to be when the anti-Christ declares himself to be god in the holy of holies of the third temple/tabernacle) spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.
26"So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29"Immediately after the distress of those days
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[c]
30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
32"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[d]is near, right at the door. 34I tell you the truth, this generation[e] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Matthew 24: 1-35


So we will not know the day, but we will know the season. Israel has been reborn, the bible says that when Israel blooms that its a sign that the end is near. In 1948, Israel became a state once again after thousands of years in diaspora. Truly a miracle. The gospel has been translated into 98% of the languages of the world. So, we can't say for sure when, but I firmly believe that we are pretty close. Closer than ever before, anyway.
 
IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT!!!
AND I FEEL FINE.

I'm going to go out risking my life through various odd stunts and singing at the top of my lungs.

Okay maybe not the singing part- but u get the general idea.
 
It's amazing how some sap's will cherry pick nonsensical evidence to foist goofy theories on gullible people. There is no scientific evidence for any of this. Those youtube videos on this subject are a laugh and half.

This thread has made my day!
 
It's amazing how some sap's will cherry pick nonsensical evidence to foist goofy theories on gullible people. There is no scientific evidence for any of this. Those youtube videos on this subject are a laugh and half.

This thread has made my day!
It's interesting how the Bible and scientific evidence is being discussed in this thread, hmm?

-TNC
 
It's interesting how the Bible and scientific evidence is being discussed in this thread, hmm?

-TNC

I'm not surprised.

Predictions based on an interpretation of ancient texts, which itself has no basis to be interpreted that way other than the wishful thinking of the interpreter has no place in a scientific discussion. Why should the Mayan calendar be considered a credible source for making predictions about new planets or earthly events, anyways?

Listen, I'm not looking to stir up trouble. If people want to be set on having the world end 2012, then I'm not going to stop them. But when the world does continue to exist after that, and they go about their daily business wondering what they were thinking, then what? When will the next supposed apocalypse come?
 
can't believe this is still going..but

personally

I think we'll just go through some world-wide human conciousness transcending all boundries of our world time, space, sub-concious etc...

Amazing as that is exactly what I tend to believe as well!
 
I'm not surprised.

Predictions based on an interpretation of ancient texts, which itself has no basis to be interpreted that way other than the wishful thinking of the interpreter has no place in a scientific discussion. Why should the Mayan calendar be considered a credible source for making predictions about new planets or earthly events, anyways?
Uh, because it's been accurate for thousands of years? It's just a coincidence that their calendar ends at the alignment of the midwinter solstice and the Milky Way galactic center.

Now, I'm not saying there is a definitely yes or no answer here. This is just a friendly open discussion and none of us HAVE to take sides. All I'm saying is that there IS proof here that does connect ancient texts with scientific evidence.

-TNC
 

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