Homecoming The Zendaya is Mary Jane thread

[Web-Head]

I highly doubt she'll even have red hair guys and I'm more than okay with that

 

[SuperAl]

weird casting, i feel like if your gonna diversify your cast and least try casting someone other than a white or black. Add an asian or hispanic in a major role.

 

[Flint Marko]

That doesn't make the casting any less bad than it was. Doesn't get a pass because the Marvel of then isn't the Marvel of today. And what's worse is that Norton and Tyler, among other examples like Rourke or Natalie Portman in Thor 2, have shown they have prowess. Less so in some Marvel Studios' films.

I really don't care to split hairs here. Their casting department hits the nail on the head far, far more often than not to the point where they can easily be called one of, if not the, best casting departments in all of Hollywood, especially when you compare it to some of the dreck turned out by competing studios with superhero properties, and they've only gotten better since acquiring more clout and resources. That's the main point here.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Spider-Man fans remind of that kid in the sand box who doesn't want to share with the other kids.

 

[harryoscop]

WRONG.

They all cite The Wrap/Umberto Gonzalez


PROOF



Marvelous Realm-

Is citing Vulture in their tweet

https://***********/MarvelousRealm/status/766443900986728448


Vulture in their article cite The Wrap/Umberto Gonzalez

Now, after a report from the Wrap, it appears that Zendaya's real role has come to light.

http://www.vulture.com/2016/08/zendaya-is-playing-an-iconic-spider-man-role.html


Devin Faraci is also citing The Wrap/Umberto Gonzalez

Teen star Zendaya has been cast in Spider-Man: Homecoming, but it's not been clear what character she's playing. Now a report from The Wrap indicates that her role is an incredibly familiar one

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/08/18/zendayas-spider-man-role-could-break-the-internet


and New York Magazine is the parent company of Vulture. Vulture is their entertainment news.

See for yourself, here is the link to NYM's movie section http://nymag.com/movies/ click the Mary Jane/Zendaya link it directs you to The Vulture article that cites The Wrap/Umberto Gonzalez



So none of these are other independent sources, they all cite The Wrap/Umberto Gonzalez

Wrong about Vulture. You missed this part:

According to Vulture's own sources, Michelle's real identity was a twist meant to be confirmed near the end of the film when she would finally invite Peter to call her "M.J.,"

They're citing their OWN sources. The part about MJ being a reveal at the end of the movie was never mentioned in TW article, they're reporting that independently of the Mayimbe article. And New York Magazine is indeed the parent company of Vulture but it's a HUGE Tabloid site which lends to their credibility.

 

[Flint Marko]

weird casting, i feel like if your gonna diversify your cast and least try casting someone other than a white or black. Add an asian or hispanic in a major role.

I believe there are several Asian and Hispanic people in the cast. Whether or not their role is sizable remains to be seen, but I think one of Peter's closest friends will be an Asian.

Spider-Man fans remind of that kid in the sand box who doesn't want to share with the other kids.

Yup.

 

[NotNickFury]

I really don't care to split hairs here. Their casting department hits the nail on the head far, far more often than not to the point where they can easily be called one of, if not the, best casting departments in all of Hollywood, especially when you compare it to some of the dreck turned out by competing studios with superhero properties, and they've only gotten better since acquiring more clout and resources. That's the main point here.

Here's the thing: we're not comparing them to other studios here. That's not the point. We're talking about this studio and this one alone. I'm not disagreeing that Marvel Studios makes some excellent casting choices. But when they stumble and fail, they stumble hard. Hell, Mickey Rourke's bird in Iron Man 2 was more memorable than he was.

 

[Chesterfield]

Ganke Ned Lee says hi.

I'll give you that one.

 

[Mad Ones]

Honestly, I'm less enthused about Vulture being the villain in the movie than the MJ casting. But hey, he's an old white guy so he's automatically less controversial.

 

[JC00]

One of the standard rules of journalism is to "corroborate and confirm", but that hasn't been happening... hence why I think jumping on this "Zendaya is MJ" train is premature.

Seriously. People need to read up on what corroboration is, because there has been absolutely none.

All this has been is figurative retweeting of The Wrap info.


When I see Deadline post "Deadline has learned" or THR post "The Hollywood Reporter has learned" then i'll believe this holds water. But right now given who it is and his history I don't believe it.

 

[harryoscop]

Also, I disagree about Don Cheadle. I vastly prefer him in the role over Terrance Howard. He plays off of RDJ's Stark wayy better with him being more serious & stoic while RDJ is playful & jokey. I love seeing them bicker and argue, lol. (Same with Gwyneth Paltrow's Pepper) TH was too similar to Tony Stark himself imo.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Here's the thing: we're not comparing them to other studios here. That's not the point. We're talking about this studio and this one alone. I'm not disagreeing that Marvel Studios makes some excellent casting choices. But when they stumble and fail, they stumble hard. Hell, Mickey Rourke's bird in Iron Man 2 was more memorable than he was.

Your bringing up a one off villain from 6 years ago.


How bout this when Sony last casted MJ she got cut from the movie. Now that is the definition of bad casting

 

[NotNickFury]

Also, I disagree about Don Cheadle. I vastly prefer him in the role over Terrance Howard. He plays off of RDJ's Stark wayy better with him being more serious & stoic while RDJ is playful & jokey. I love seeing them bicker and argue, lol. (Same with Gwyneth Paltrow's Pepper) TH was too similar to Tony Stark himself imo.

I think Howard was more fun to be around, but Cheadle seemed a lot more militant in the role, which is preferable, given his role.

 

[harryoscop]

Seriously. People need to read up on what corroboration is, because there has been absolutely none.

All this has been is figurative retweeting of The Wrap info.


When I see Deadline post "Deadline has learned" or THR post "The Hollywood Reporter has learned" then i'll believe this holds water. But right now given who it is and his history I don't believe it.

Except there has been corroboration. See my post above yours

 

[Flint Marko]

Here's the thing: we're not comparing them to other studios here. That's not the point. We're talking about this studio and this one alone. I'm not disagreeing that Marvel Studios makes some excellent casting choices. But when they stumble and fail, they stumble hard. Hell, Mickey Rourke's bird in Iron Man 2 was more memorable than he was.

The problem with that character wasn't the casting, but the amount of screen time he didn't have.

And I'll again remind you that every example you have cited was ten films ago. You can insist it doesn't matter, but it totally does.

 

[NotNickFury]

Your bringing up a one off villain from 6 years ago.


How bout this when Sony last casted MJ she got cut from the movie. Now that is the definition of bad casting

One off or not is still part of the Marvel universe. Also, I wouldn't call Shailene Woodley bad casting. I think she's a good actress and might have been good had we seen her performance for ourselves. Not her fault that she got cut from the movie altogether. Amazing Spider-Man 2 had a whole host of problems, but I've yet to find any source saying Mary Jane was cut from the film because of Woodley herself. And I doubt you could, either. As far as I can tell, Webb cut MJ out to focus on the Peter and Gwen stuff.

 

[NotNickFury]

The problem with that character wasn't the casting, but the amount of screen time he didn't have.

And I'll again remind you that every example you have cited was ten films ago. You can insist it doesn't matter, but it totally does.

Well, we'll disagree on the casting, then. And by the way, numbers. Thor 2 was merely three years ago. Iron Man 2- six years. Incredible Hulk- eight. None of those examples are 10 years old. But semantics. Thanks for playing.

 

[harryoscop]

I thought Mickey Rourke was pretty memorable. I mean, I can still remember a lot of his lines from the movie.

 

[DigificWriter]

Except there has been corroboration. See my post above yours

When you corroborate something, you do not just "recycle" what others have reported... and every article I have seen - including the ones you linked to - simply cites The Wrap's reporting without adding any mention of having done their own follow-up research on said report.

I should know, BTW, because I studied journalism in HS.

 

[DrCosmic]

The problem with that character wasn't the casting, but the amount of screen time he didn't have.

And I'll again remind you that every example you have cited was ten films ago. You can insist it doesn't matter, but it totally does.

Agreed. Rourke's performance was great. What ended up on screen? Meh. Like Leto's Joker

You do realize that a person's body is somewhat connected to them? If my friends transforms into a purple dinosaur I'm going to be concerned. The body of a character is certainly part of the character. You can argue how important it is, or a percentage of what makes the character, but it is definitely part of them. Your body is part of you. Good luck getting by without it.

We are not at the point where a character's appearance is not part of their character. It is.

If your friend turns into a dinosaur, if you actually care about them, you'll be immediately concerned about things other than their appearance: i.e. how are they going to get through the door!? Are they gonna break something!? Your critique of their appearance has to do with something other than their appearance because you don't *just* care about their appearance.

This is not that. This is a purely-superficial concern, and what's worse, coupled with a mischaracterization of MJ as a whole.

 

[Flint Marko]

Well, we'll disagree on the casting, then. And by the way, numbers. Thor 2 was merely three years ago. Iron Man 2- six years. Incredible Hulk- eight. None of those examples are 10 years old. But semantics. Thanks for playing.

Hmmm....

And I'll again remind you that every example you have cited was ten films ago.

Thanks for playing.

 

[SuperAl]

Here's the thing: we're not comparing them to other studios here. That's not the point. We're talking about this studio and this one alone. I'm not disagreeing that Marvel Studios makes some excellent casting choices. But when they stumble and fail, they stumble hard. Hell, Mickey Rourke's bird in Iron Man 2 was more memorable than he was.

Christopher Eccleston was also completely wasted in Thor the dark world.

 

[harryoscop]

When you corroborate something, you do not just "recycle" what others have reported... and every article I have seen - including the ones you linked to - simply cites The Wrap's reporting without adding any mention of having done their own follow-up research on said report.

I should know, BTW, because I studied journalism in HS.

Vulture's article CLEARLY does not. They add credibility to Mayimbe's report by citing that they've heard from their own sources that it's true, and they even gave an extra tidbit of info (that wasn't even present in the Wrap's article) that she's revealed at the end of the movie.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

You do realize that a person's body is somewhat connected to them? If my friends transforms into a purple dinosaur I'm going to be concerned. The body of a character is certainly part of the character. You can argue how important it is, or a percentage of what makes the character, but it is definitely part of them. Your body is part of you. Good luck getting by without it.

We are not at the point where a character's appearance is not part of their character. It is.

And you realize Mary Jane's ethnicity comes up only once in 50 years of stories? A stand alone which may not even be canon.

Vulture's article CLEARLY does not. They add credibility to Mayimbe's report by citing that they've heard from their own sources that it's true, and they even gave an extra tidbit of info (that wasn't present in the Wrap's article) that she's revealed at thr end of the movie.

Forget it, Jake, it's DigificWriter.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Prior to this movie, casting is something Marvel has always gotten 110%. right.

I disagree.