Homecoming The Zendaya is Mary Jane thread

[harryoscop]

I disagree.

Maybe not 110% but more like 90%. I think they've done a phenomenal job at casting characters for their movies so far in the last eight years or so.

 

[Flint Marko]

I disagree.

Who would you say is miscast? I'd say Liv Tyler and Edward Norton were, as they did nothing interesting with the role. I'd also say Natalie Portman was miscast simply because she clearly didn't care to be there. I'd say Foggy Nelson in Daredevil as well, but I think the actor grew into the role in season 2 and from what I'd heard, he filled in for someone else mere days before season 1 started shooting.

I'd like to point out that there is a difference between misused and miscast - I'd argue that Christopher Eccleston and Mickey Rourke gave fine performances, but the finished film just underutilized them.

I don't think they have a 100% flawless track record but they have the closest thing to it one can reasonably expect.

 

[DigificWriter]

Vulture's article CLEARLY does not. They add credibility to Mayimbe's report by citing that they've heard from their own sources that it's true, and they even gave an extra tidbit of info (that wasn't even present in the Wrap's article) that she's revealed at the end of the movie.

One "corroborating source" is not enough. You need at least two... which is why I wait to see if at least two of the major Hollywood trades report on something using their own internal resources before choosing to believe the validity of said thing.

The fact that THR, Variety, and Deadline - which are the 3 most respected and well-connected 'trades' z- haven't, to my knowledge, touched this 'rumor' speaks volumes, IMO.

 

[Web-Head]

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[Web-Head]

One "corroborating source" is not enough. You need at least two... which is why I wait to see if at least two of the major Hollywood trades report on something using their own internal resources before choosing to believe the validity of said thing.

The fact that THR, Variety, and Deadline - which are the 3 most respected and well-connected 'trades' z- haven't, to my knowledge, touched this 'rumor' speaks volumes, IMO.

This we can agree on

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Who would you say is miscast?

I'd like to point out that there is a difference between misused and miscast - I'd argue that Christopher Eccleston and Mickey Rourke gave fine performances, but the finished film just underutilized them.

I don't think they have a 100% flawless track record but they have the closest thing to it one can reasonably expect.

I didn't like Portman in Thor, didn't care for her performance and I don't believe that she had chemistry with Hemsworth. Thought Norton and Tyler weren't quite right for their roles, don't care for Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye either and think I think Aaron Taylor-Johnson is a poor actor who was miscast.

 

[Flint Marko]

I didn't like Portman in Thor, didn't care for her performance and I don't believe that she had chemistry with Hemsworth. Thought Norton and Tyler weren't quite right for their roles, don't care for Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye either and think I think Aaron Taylor-Johnson is a poor actor who was miscast.

I don't agree with Renner, but yeah I completely forgot about Aaron Taylor-Johnson. I appreciated the way they led up to Quicksilver's demise in AoU, from a story-telling perspective I thought it was great, but an actor with more screen presence and charm could really have made that land.

 

[KalvinEllis]

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I honestly don't know why they would try to make this a "surprise" reveal. Who is going to be surprised by this, that's what everyone's been saying since she was cast. Same age as Holland, cast right after him, would have a bigger role in sequels, there have been plenty of signs that this could not be some random character.

 

[JC00]

Wrong about Vulture. You missed this part:

They're citing their OWN sources. The part about MJ being a reveal at the end of the movie was never mentioned in TW article, they're reporting that independently of the Mayimbe article. And New York Magazine is indeed the parent company of Vulture but it's a HUGE Tabloid site which lends to their credibility.

So you expect me to believe Vulture had this info and sat on it?


If this is true the cat's out of the bag and yet Variety, Deadline and THR still haven't uttered a peep about it.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ It wouldn't take long to corroborate something, especially for the major Hollywood trades or a site that isn't one of the "major trades" but still has well-established connections in Hollywood, so Vulture wouldn't have had to "have had this info and sat on it". They could easily have reached out to people once The Wrap 'broke' the news and corroborated it themselves.

However, as I noted, it takes more than one corroborating source for something to be taken as being credible (something that, again, I learned from my HS journalism classes).

 

[harryoscop]

One "corroborating source" is not enough. You need at least two... which is why I wait to see if at least two of the major Hollywood trades report on something using their own internal resources before choosing to believe the validity of said thing.

The fact that THR, Variety, and Deadline - which are the 3 most respected and well-connected 'trades' z- haven't, to my knowledge, touched this 'rumor' speaks volumes, IMO.

The Trades usually don't deal with Story tidbits, they usually only report the casting itself (giving a name if it's available). I actually find the fact that Sony declined to comment and that a lot of the guys who work for Trades have been quite as a mouse a lot more telling then other Trades not reporting on it. (Yet) because we know every time there's a false rumor (and especially one that got as much traction yesterday) they ALWAYS debunk and call it out. But not now. Uh, uh. Not now. We haven't heard so much as a peep from them. I actually think a few them are scared to confirm it considering this is something Marvel didn't want people to know until they saw the film.

 

[childeroland]

How reliable is The Wrap? If they let Mayimbe run the news there, isn't there a good chance this pans out?

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

So you expect me to believe Vulture had this info and sat on it?

The Vulture article says it was suppose to be a surprise. I don't remember the trades leaking the Cyclops and Jean Grey cameos in DOFP.

 

[DigificWriter]

When you're a journalist, you don't "stay silent" on something if it has even the slightest bit of relevancy or truth to it. You reach out, confirm, and report on it yourself.

The major Trades aren't going to "leak" something that they're told shouldn't be leaked, but if something's been put out there already, they're not going to let it just 'sit out there' without doing their own internal research to confirm its validity.

So I guarantee that THR, Variety, and Deadline reached out to Sony, Feige, etc. when this 'news' broke, and if they felt or were told that it had any validity and weren't told to keep silent, they would've reported on it themselves and confirmed/corroborated what was being reported, so, again, the fact that we haven't heard a peep out of them is pretty much a guarantee that, if nothing else, it's premature to jump on The Wrap and Vulture's reporting as definitive concrete confirmation.

 

[harryoscop]

How reliable is The Wrap? If they let Mayimbe run the news there, isn't there a good chance this pans out?

They're in the same rank as Variety, Deadline, THR. As i've said before, no way they'd let Mayimbe run the article if they didn't check with their in-house source.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The Trades usually don't deal with Story tidbits, they usually only report the casting itself (giving a name if it's available). I actually find the fact that Sony declined to comment and that a lot of the guys who work for Trades have been quite as a mouse a lot more telling then other Trades not reporting on it. (Yet) because we know every time there's a false rumor (and especially one that got as much traction yesterday) they ALWAYS debunk and call it out. But not now. Uh, uh. Not now. We haven't heard so much as a peep from them. I actually think a few them are scared to confirm it considering this is something Marvel didn't want people to know until they saw the film.

This.

The story is true, the people in denial are funny.

 

[DigificWriter]

They're in the same rank as Variety, Deadline, THR. As i've said before, no way they'd let Mayimbe run the article if they didn't check with their in-house source.

The fact that they may have possibly let a reporter working for them "leak" something that may not have been supposed to be leaked says that they're not actually on the same level - at least in terms of professionalism - as THR, Deadline, and Variety.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

The story is true, the people in denial are funny.

Seems so.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Ugh, are we still going to debate Zendaya not actually being MJ? The ones bringing it up are also the ones that never really wanted her in the role, so I mean that's pretty telling.

• You don't cast an actress like Zendaya right after you cast both Peter Parker and Aunt May if she's not going to be someone noteworthy like a random 'Michele'.
  
• You don't cast a bi-racial actress and have her play Michele Gonzales, as that defeats the purpose entirely.
  
• You don't cite (or at least I would think you wouldn't) Ultimate Spider-Man and Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane if you don't intend on using Mary Jane. Seems like a really bizarre choice.

Add in the fact she was supposed to be kept under wraps and revealed as Mary Jane in the film..

 

[harryoscop]

The fact that they may have possibly let a reporter working for them "leak" something that may not have been supposed to be leaked says that they're not actually on the same level - at least in terms of professionalism - as THR, Deadline, and Variety.

In terms of professionalism? I don't know. But in terms of reliability, they're on-par for sure. They broke the first shortlist for the movie, broke Laura's casting, and confirmed that the side villain would be a person of color. (Confirmed to be Shocker)- in the past they were also the ones who broke Chris Zylka's casting and later confirmed he was Flash Thompson -- Also broke Kelsey Chow's casting as Sally (which was who she was originally intended to be)

And that's just from what I can remember.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Ugh, are we still going to debate Zendaya not actually being MJ? The ones bringing it up are also the ones that never really wanted her in the role, so I mean that's pretty telling.

• You don't cast an actress like Zendaya right after you cast both Peter Parker and Aunt May if she's not going to be someone noteworthy like a random 'Michele'.
• You don't cast a bi-racial actress and have her play Michele Gonzales, as that defeats the purpose entirely.
• You don't cite (or at least I would think you wouldn't) Ultimate Spider-Man and Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane if you don't intend on using Mary Jane. Seems like a really bizarre choice.

Add in the fact she was supposed to be kept under wraps and revealed as Mary Jane in the film..

Yeah, the casting after Peter and Aunt May, and the "bi-racial Michelle" is what gave it away for me months ago. Like I said, they should've never tried to keep this a secret, it's beyond obvious. I'm honestly expecting an official confirmation soon. They can't try to pretend this "leak" didn't happen. Maybe Umberto burned a lot of bridges with Marvel/Sony though. lol Still, the guy has guts, you gotta give him that.

 

[BatsDC]

I wonder if they'll drop the surprise ending and call her Mary or something now that the cats out of the bag. Although that would probably be a big headache

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

As has been said before Variety and The Hollywood Reporter rarely report on story bits. If this story were not true, the two guys who write for those trades who are on twitter would have debunked the report. They are not afraid to debunk reports.

 

[X Knight]

I wonder if they'll drop the surprise ending and call her Mary or something now that the cats out of the bag. Although that would probably be a big headache

yeah. it would be really stupid if they went out of the way to avoid calling her by her name in the movie to try to have that big "reveal" at the end.

 

[harryoscop]

As has been said before Variety and The Hollywood Reporter rarely report on story bits. If this story were not true, the two guys who write for those trades who are on twitter would have debunked the report. They are not afraid to debunk reports.

They do it all the time.