Apocalypse These Timelines Are So Confusing. Continuity Errors.

[dax]

Cinematic mutants age a bit slower and much better than humans.

That only applies to Wolverine, Sabertooth, Mystique, and Lady Deathstrike. However, that excuse shouldn't work on other mutants like Xavier or Magneto because they eventually become old men by X1 even with the timeline change. Hell, they should've looked like Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen at this point in Apocalypse.

 

[Warhammer]

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Yes, the solution is a system with three timelines. It allows to connect everything together, even the viral marketing stuff (25moments, TheBentBullet, etc).

I think the breaking point is in 1963 (when Azazel and Tempest are murdered by Project WideAwake, a team appointed by President Kennedy to study the mutant question. Other mutants are killed by the population. It's 'The Summer of Hate'. => Mystique goes crazy => Apocalyptic Timeline ≠ Original Timeline).

X-Men Origins: Wolverine was unofficially ignored by X-Men: First Class and X-Men: Days of Future Past. That single film contradicts X-Men, X-Men: First Class, and X-Men: Days of Future Past.

It's simple:

First timeline

Origins (1979), X1 (2004), X2 (2004), X3 (2005).

Then a mutant travels back to the past, say 1913. He alters the timeline.

Second timeline

First Class (1962), Revised Origins, Revised X1/X2/X3, The Wolverine (2013), DOFP (2023).

Then Wolverine travels back to the past of the second timeline.

Third timeline

First Class (1962), DOFP (1973), Apocalypse (1983), Deadpool (2016), New Future (2023), Wolverine 3(?).

http://x-continuity.blogspot.it/p/essential-timeline.html

What is the Zero Event and who is Unknown?

 

[Havok83]

That only applies to Wolverine, Sabertooth, Mystique, and Lady Deathstrike. However, that excuse shouldn't work on other mutants like Xavier or Magneto because they eventually become old men by X1 even with the timeline change. Hell, they should've looked like Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen at this point in Apocalypse.

. Not really. Magneto and Xavier are about 50 in this film. Fassbender and McAvoy are 39 and 37 respectively, so just a little over 10 years younger than the characters they play. Stewart and McKellan are both mid 70s. I think its easier to buy the former as 50 then those two older guys. The problem with the film is that they didnt do much to physically age them which shouldnt have been too hard considering they arent that far removed from the characters

 

[Slushy]

What the heck happened here?

The Last Stand never happened. Same with Origins. Problem solved.

 

[dax]

The Last Stand never happened. Same with Origins. Problem solved.

Technically, Origins did still happened just in a different way now. Some segments of the film still exist in the new timeline like:

-Wolverine killing his biological dad as a child in 1845.
-him running away from home with Sabertooth.
-him fighting in the civil war, world war 1 & 2, and the vietnam war with Sabertooth (despite Days of Future Past placing Wolverine in New York in 1973).
-him meeting William Stryker (only briefly and not in prison this time).
-him going into the weapon X experiment.
-him going on a violent rampage and escaping from Alkali lake.
-Cyclops blasting a hole through his high school roof.
-Wolverine helping Cyclops and other mutants escape from Stryker's base.
And
-Cyclops meeting Prof. Xavier.

As for X3, the film may not have happened anymore but neither did X1 nor X2.

 

[Mutant 77]

X-Men Origins: Wolverine was unofficially ignored by X-Men: First Class and X-Men: Days of Future Past. That single film contradicts X-Men, X-Men: First Class, and X-Men: Days of Future Past.



What is the Zero Event and who is Unknown?

Origins is canon. It belongs to Timeline Prime A. Without Timeline Prime A, you wouldn't get Timeline Prime B (First Class, Wolverine, DOFP). Without Timeline Prime B, you wouldn't get Timeline Sigma (DOFP, Apocalypse).

"Zero Event" and "Unknown", just two names I thrown in there. Someone went back in time and changed the timeline much earlier than the events of "First Class".

 

[Donner]

The age of Mystique doesn't work. She's supposed to be around 10 in the scene in First Class in the kitchen. So that would make her 30ish in the later part of the movie. But in Apocalypse, she tells Jean she was around her age on her first mission, putting her age in FC at 18ish.

 

[Mutant 77]

The age of Mystique doesn't work. She's supposed to be around 10 in the scene in First Class in the kitchen. So that would make her 30ish in the later part of the movie. But in Apocalypse, she tells Jean she was around her age on her first mission, putting her age in FC at 18ish.

Nice catch.

The kitchen scene was set in 1944.

Maybe she was lying to Jean.

 

[Flint Marko]

I hope I age as well in 20 years as the X-men.

 

[Mutant 77]

I hope I age as well in 20 years as the X-men.

Lmao. Are you a cinematic mutant?

 

[Havok83]

The age of Mystique doesn't work. She's supposed to be around 10 in the scene in First Class in the kitchen. So that would make her 30ish in the later part of the movie. But in Apocalypse, she tells Jean she was around her age on her first mission, putting her age in FC at 18ish.

she said "we" were around your age, meaning the collecting group of FC recruits, which had a wide age range going from as young as Banshee, whom I beleive was around 15 or 16 to her 30. It was a bad line nonetheless. Likely said to ease Jean's fears and give her someone to relate to

 

[Donner]

she said "we" were around your age, meaning the collecting group of FC recruits, which had a wide age range going from as young as Banshee, whom I beleive was around 15 or 16 to her 30. It was a bad line nonetheless. Likely said to ease Jean's fears and give her someone to relate to

She doesn't say "we." She was talking about how she was scared on her first mission, that she was on a plane with her friends, "about" your age, she says.

I don't believe Mystique was ever supposed to be 30 in FC.

 

[Havok83]

She doesn't say "we." She was talking about how she was scared on her first mission, that she was on a plane with her friends, "about" your age, she says.

I don't believe Mystique was ever supposed to be 30 in FC.

well she was. She clearly wasnt Jean's despite inconsistent writing

 

[X-Maniac]

In actual years, Mystique was 28 at the end of X-Men: First Class (she was aged 10 in the 1944 opening sequence as an intruder in Xavier's house) but she ages at about half the normal rate... So she would appear/act around 14.

All the mutant recruits on that first mission were teens to early 20s, I would say.

There's no problem with that line. It's the fact she says they called themselves the X-Men that doesn't jive...

 

[Havok83]

In actual years, Mystique was 28 at the end of X-Men: First Class (she was aged 10 in the 1944 opening sequence as an intruder in Xavier's house) but she ages at about half the normal rate... So she would appear/act around 14.

All the mutant recruits on that first mission were teens to early 20s, I would say.

There's no problem with that line. It's the fact she says they called themselves the X-Men that doesn't jive...

where did you get this info from?

 

[Donner]

Just call a spade a spade. It's lazy writing. Mystique was clearly meant to be young in FC (18-20ish), but obviously that doesn't add up with the age she was when she first met Charles.

They needed Mystique to be old enough to converse with Charles in 1944, but young enough in 1963 to justify her acting immaturely, being told not to drink alcohol, and accepting herself. And this comes full circle in her conversation with Jean.

The writers overlooked the issue of basic math with Mystique's age in these movies. It's so obvious.

 

[Donner]

Mystique's appearance doesn't age the same way the rest of ours does, but what evidence is there that her mind also doesn't age as quickly? That makes zero sense.

She looks younger, but never once was it ever implied that she also acts younger. She may look like she's 20 when she's 40, but she has the mind of a 40 year old.

 

[Havok83]

Just call a spade a spade. It's lazy writing. Mystique was clearly meant to be young in FC (18-20ish), but obviously that doesn't add up with the age she was when she first met Charles.

They needed Mystique to be old enough to converse with Charles in 1944, but young enough in 1963 to justify her acting immaturely, being told not to drink alcohol, and accepting herself. And this comes full circle in her conversation with Jean.

The writers overlooked the issue of basic math with Mystique's age in these movies. It's so obvious.

when did I claim otherwise? Ive always maintained that the writing is a mess

 

[Donner]

I'm saying that Mystique is not 30 in FC and it's because of lazy writing. You maintain that Mystique was 30 in FC. I say it's clearly obvious from how she acts and what she says to Jean that she was younger.

The writers overlooked the math and probably figured we would, too. They just made her an older child in 1944 in order to establish the relationship with Charles, but all other evidence suggests that she's meant to be younger in 1963.

 

[Havok83]

What are you arguing now? You are talking yourself in circles for no reason. I say the writing is a mess; you say its lazy....take your pick. We both agree that the writing is inconsistent and has caused confusion and continuity errors

 

[CyclopsSummers]

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They added Deadpool for new timeleine

But for Me Original Timeline and Apocalyptic timeline are the same

Empire and MTV have released their version of X-men timeline too but they were wrong all the both

 

[Havok83]

this is one of the reasons why the X-men franchise fails to resonate with people. Its gotten way too confusing for the general public and DOFP made it even more confusing and convoluted. Those "incorrect" timelines dont help matters

 

[Donner]

What are you arguing now? You are talking yourself in circles for no reason. I say the writing is a mess; you say its lazy....take your pick. We both agree that the writing is inconsistent and has caused confusion and continuity errors

I'm arguing for Mystique being 18-20 in FC.

The calling a spade a spade thing was more directed at X-Maniac.

 

[The Guard]

I really don't think the general public endlessly compares individual films and their continuities...

 

[Havok83]

I really don't think the general public endlessly compares individual films and their continuities...

no instead they just skip it

I'm arguing for Mystique being 18-20 in FC.

The calling a spade a spade thing was more directed at X-Maniac.

which is moot bc again we both agree that the writing is shoddy