Apocalypse These Timelines Are So Confusing. Continuity Errors.

[Mr.T]

Not sure if this is a timeline problem, but just how did Wolverine end up at Alkali Lake this time? As we saw at the end of DOFP, that wasn't actually Stryker who pulled him out of the water, but Mystique. So what the hell happened there? Did she set him free and just get caught up in a turn of events that led him to become Weapon X anyway?

Mystique was going around saving mutants at the beginning of DoFP & XA. My guess is she saved Wolverine and left which is what she does in both movies. Also, in DoFP, Hank mentions a theory regarding time travel that the river will continue to flow regardless of the rocks you throw in it causing ripples. Of course, this is a logical theory when you consider time travel but Wolverine is obviously destined to be in the weapon X program and his life is tied to Stryker's. And yes, Hank's theory goes out the window when Mystique fails to kill Trask......who knows. The timelines are very convoluted.....

I do agree with an earlier post. It would've made more sense had Stryker been the one to pull Wolverine out of the water, not Mystique.....

 

[CyclopsSummers]

She told Jean she was around her age on her first mission. That puts her at 18-20 in FC and not 30.

Big error

Hank, Alex, Banshee were around the same age of Jean in FC but not Mystique.

She was 6 when Xavier was 12 in 1944. In 1962, Xavier=30, Raven=24.

Maybe she considered the full team and made an average

 

[Kanon]

this is one of the reasons why the X-men franchise fails to resonate with people. Its gotten way too confusing for the general public and DOFP made it even more confusing and convoluted. Those "incorrect" timelines dont help matters

So true, and the worst part is that all those timelines exercises are the work of fans. The producers have no idea of what they are doing and couldn't explain the continuity to save their lives

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

1944
Raven 6 (but doesnt know her actual age?)
Charles 10
Erik 11

1962
Raven 24 (still doesn't know her exact age, but ages slower than most, feels/looks 18)
Charles 28
Erik 29
Alex 16
Hank 18
Moira 26

1973
Raven 35
Charles 39
Erik 40
Alex 27
Hank 29
Moira 37
Stryker 30
Jean 7

1983
Raven 45
Charles 49
Erik 50
Alex 37
Hank 39 (also has Mystique's DNA in him, maybe it affects his aging)
Moira 47
Stryker 40
Jean 17
Scott 16
Ororo 18

2001 - 2003
Charles 67 - 69
Erik 68 - 70
Hank 57 - 59
Jean 35 - 37
Scott 34 - 36
Ororo 36 -38
Rogue 16 - 18
Bobby 16 - 18
Kitty 16 - 18

2023 (its the future we can believe realistically that 50 is the new 30 I guess.)
Charles 89
Erik 90
Ororo 58
Kitty 38 (ugh)
Bobby 38 (with that beard, sure)

Alt 2023
Jean 57
Scott 56
Hank 79

All of this is my assumptions. If someone thinks I'm wrong here, let me know. I think the knowledge that Erik/Charles are 30/31 in 1962 was from sources other than the film itself.

 

[Mutant 77]

1944
Raven 6 (but doesnt know her actual age?)

1962
Charles 28
Erik 29
Alex 14
Hank 18
Moira 26


All of this is my assumptions. If someone thinks I'm wrong here, let me know. I think the knowledge that Erik/Charles are 30/31 in 1962 was from sources other than the film itself.

Erik and Charles are both born in 1932.
Raven was 10 in 1944, according to the credits.
Alex 14 in FC? No way. I would say 18?

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Erik and Charles are both born in 1932.
Raven was 10 in 1944, according to the credits.
Alex 14 in FC? No way. I would say 18?

I mean, you can say whatever you like. I'm just trying to figure out what makes most sense to me. I could live with 15 or 16.

"Erik and Charles are both born in 1932." Where do they say that?

 

[Havok83]

Alex came across early 20s to me.

 

[Flint Marko]

The high school teacher in Apocalypse said that everyone in her class would have been around 7 at the time of the Washington DC event. This makes Scott a 40 year old man in the first X-men film.

 

[fallenAngel]

Mystique referring to the group as the X-men isn't really a continuity error. Hank said the term X-men earlier in the movie and she wasn't like "what's that?" so either at some point they'd had a conversation about it, or she just went with it.

Many things exist long before they are specifically named, and especially when telling a twenty-year-old story to someone who wasn't alive then, it's easiest to simplify.

I guess they just felt they had to include Archangel (or Angel in the movie) because he's Apocalypse's most famous horseman and they wanted to do the metal wings. It's a shame his entire story didn't play out, but I feel like most modern writers even in the comics don't know what to do with the character any more - he's a little old fashioned.

That being said, I thought Warren was better represented in TLS. Here he was really just there

 

[Mutant 77]

The high school teacher in Apocalypse said that everyone in her class would have been around 7 at the time of the Washington DC event. This makes Scott a 40 year old man in the first X-men film.

I think his birthday has changed.
Origins was set in 1979 and he was about 17/18 years old in there.

 

[Weather Witch]

How about this one:
In First Class only part of Moira's memory has been wiped, but in Apocalypse she doesn't even know she's ever met Charles and none of her colleagues seem to have mentioned it either.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

As maddening as this seems to be to a lot of people, I kind of enjoy trying to figure it all out. :P

The state of the universe (with time travel, telepathy, and altered genetics) seems to lend itself well to a little confusion on this front.

It's very clear the writers care less/don't bother as much as the MCU writers do with cohesion. But it's still kind of intriguing.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Mystique referring to the group as the X-men isn't really a continuity error. Hank said the term X-men earlier in the movie and she wasn't like "what's that?" so either at some point they'd had a conversation about it, or she just went with it.

I can't be sure but i believe while they were standing around the jet hank mentions to raven about them having been X-Men he says "as we always talked about" or something to that degree as if in 1963 when they were training up they talked about forming the X-Men.

its a tough one because they didn't call themselves X-Men, it could have happened off screen but we didn't see it so it does feel like a continuity error.

 

[henzINNIT]

How about this one:
In First Class only part of Moira's memory has been wiped, but in Apocalypse she doesn't even know she's ever met Charles and none of her colleagues seem to have mentioned it either.

Yeah, stupid. It is literally impossible that Moira could have lived 20 years past "First Class" completely oblivious to their meeting. They didn't meet in private. She still works at the CIA.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

The high school teacher in Apocalypse said that everyone in her class would have been around 7 at the time of the Washington DC event. This makes Scott a 40 year old man in the first X-men film.

well, Marsden was kinda the odd man out in that cast being nearly 10 years younger then Famke an Berry...

but, his (or any other characters) age were never said in the movie so, simply saying he looks young for his age isn't really a continuity error

how old his character looked is a matter of opinion not fact

I mean he is 40+ now, an I wouldn't say he's aged drastically in the last 10-15 years

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Has anyone addressed why Apoc woke up in this timeline but not in the original timeline?

 

[Legion]

Has anyone addressed why Apoc woke up in this timeline but not in the original timeline?

I guess the idea is that the mutant revelation in dofp gave rise to mutant cults that discovered apocalypse.

 

[ciscostudent561]

I guess the idea is that the mutant revelation in dofp gave rise to mutant cults that discovered apocalypse.

she said so in the trailer

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Ohh... I avoid trailers.

Is that line in the movie? Didn't remember it, but it seems like one of those ones that might've slipped past me.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

Has anyone addressed why Apoc woke up in this timeline but not in the original timeline?

who says he didn't?

I have this theory that they already faced Apocalypse in the original timeline

bear with him on this one cause were about go on a crazy ride...

in fact this theory suggests that not only did Apocalypse awaken he was nearly successful in his transference to Xavier, at least on some level Xavier still believe he had full control, but, Apocalypse was controlling him on subconscious level

clues in the OT to this...

bald Xavier? (in this movie we see that Xavier still had a full head of hair in the 80's) but, in the flashbacks in X3 he's bald, walking and has his powers... how did he go bald in the original timeline? if not the same way

and what was one of the first thing he does, goes recruiting Jean (only to mentally suppress her full power) with Magneto

how did Magneto get out of jail in the original timeline? (without Wolverine/Quicksilver to help) Apocalypse recruited him as a horsemen

this could also be used to explain another question
how did Sabretooth go from this...to that

he was also a Horsemen
(why not? super strength, nearly immortal, seems like a suitable horsemen)
his power upgrade however left him more feral/dimwitted/and forgetful of his past

further evidence...

before dying Xavier transfers his subconscious mind to another body (just like Apocalypse does) that's probably where he got the idea

maybe the coma patient was Apocalypse's original body (in the original timeline they weren't able to actually defeat Apocalypse only putting his body in a comatose state, and Xavier trapped his subconscious mind within his own) after a intense mental battle

or strike that what if Xavier allowed Apocalypse into his mind only to take over Apocalypse's body (pulling the ole switch-a-roo on him) but, left his own body in the comatose state with apocalypse trapped in his mind
(which would be why the coma patient was Xavier's twin)

if the coma patient was Apocalypse's original body/or Apocalypse's mind trapped in Xavier original body, it would explain why Moira would be the one taking care of him (to keep an eye on him) I know why wouldn't they just destroy the body? but, technically the body was just a host, an was an innocent victim in all this (also near indestructible)

ok, that's the end of my crazy rant
(Just something I been thinking about lately)

 

[Havok83]

LOL...you had alot of time on your hands

 

[Mad Ones]

That's a pretty fun fan theory haha

 

[Legion]

she said so in the trailer

The line in the trailer doesn't place a date on when the world found out about mutants nor does it tell you what or who was responsible for Apocalypse's awakening.

 

[Mutant 77]

Spider-Fan, great theory!

Maybe that happened in Timeline Prime B, not Timeline Prime A? Or maybe in both.

 

[CyclopsSummers]

1944
Raven 6 (but doesnt know her actual age?)
Charles 10
Erik 11

1962
Raven 24 (still doesn't know her exact age, but ages slower than most, feels/looks 18)
Charles 28
Erik 29
Alex 16
Hank 18
Moira 26

1973
Raven 35
Charles 39
Erik 40
Alex 27
Hank 29
Moira 37
Stryker 30
Jean 7

1983
Raven 45
Charles 49
Erik 50
Alex 37
Hank 39 (also has Mystique's DNA in him, maybe it affects his aging)
Moira 47
Stryker 40
Jean 17
Scott 16
Ororo 18

2001 - 2003
Charles 67 - 69
Erik 68 - 70
Hank 57 - 59
Jean 35 - 37
Scott 34 - 36
Ororo 36 -38
Rogue 16 - 18
Bobby 16 - 18
Kitty 16 - 18

2023 (its the future we can believe realistically that 50 is the new 30 I guess.)
Charles 89
Erik 90
Ororo 58
Kitty 38 (ugh)
Bobby 38 (with that beard, sure)

Alt 2023
Jean 57
Scott 56
Hank 79

All of this is my assumptions. If someone thinks I'm wrong here, let me know. I think the knowledge that Erik/Charles are 30/31 in 1962 was from sources other than the film itself.

That is only your suppositions

We just know Raven = 6 Xavier = 12 Erik = 14 in 1962. Scott =16,17 in 1983