They Say He Drinks Blood: The Rumours and Speculation Thread

[Sawyer]

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Bill has posted two Batman: The Imposter related tweets in the last few days. The second possibly suggesting Detective Blair Wong will be a character.

I seem to recall he posted a page/panel a few weeks back featuring that book’s Leslie Thompkins.

After The Penguin introduced Sofia and Oz’s mom to the mix, it would be nice if Part II had a variety of women, rather than Nolan’s method of “Okay, you get one girl. Two, if you behave yourselves.”

 

[NotToday]

With all this spec about Robin potentially joining the Reeves-verse;

• Do we actually have evidence of how RPattz is with child actors?
• What age for Dick Grayson? (I figure high school age -- 14-18 -- would be best.)
• Any fancasts for Dick/Robin? Or are we assuming it's going to be an relative unknown?

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There's some discussion about Robin's appearances and non-appearances in the main news thread, and my $0.02: I think the reason he's been mostly absent in the live-action movies has less to do with the character itself, or if writers/directors are interested in using him, but it's more about:
adding a child (and child actor) as a main character to these big budget action/VFX/"gritty" spectacles that are mainly aimed at adults.

Of course, it has and can be done, but clearly Hollywood doesn't think it's worth the trouble, considering how rarely it's been done -- looking at the top superhero/comic films.

 

[Pennywise]

As I mentioned in another thread, never heard of this site, take it with a huge grain of salt.

 

[SupermansPal]

As I mentioned in another thread, never heard of this site, take it with a huge grain of salt.

Inb4 the Snyderbros start saying "he's copying Affleck by featuring Arkham!11!1!!"

 

[Sawyer]

I believe nothing until I see Matt Reeves post a gif.

 

[J.Drangal]

I believe nothing until I see Matt Reeves post a gif.

Same.
But I have to say, it would be really funny if “Oz Cobb” was somehow a necessary change, while the sequel’s villain would be named “Amadeus Arkham"...

 

[Boom]

Watch it be Hugo Arkham.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Watch it be Hugo Arkham.

This would annoy me but I couldn’t validly complain about it because it makes so much narrative and lore sense.

They’re absolutely not calling a guy Hugo Strange. I don’t like that, I still think Oz Cobb was absurd, but it ain’t gonna happen.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This would annoy me but I couldn’t validly complain about it because it makes so much narrative and lore sense.

They’re absolutely not calling a guy Hugo Strange. I don’t like that, I still think Oz Cobb was absurd, but it ain’t gonna happen.

Imagine thinking Hugo Strange sounds "less read" then Oz Cobb. :funny;

 

[WayneMB]

dunno why people keep saying Oz Cobb, seems like it's self-destructive trying to force yourself to hate this nothing burger name change. his name is Oswald Cobb lol

 

[SupermansPal]

Strange is an actual surname, unlike Cobblepot.

 

[donuts]

Yeah, I don't get the name change in this case... At all.

 

[Boom]

I'm biased for obvious reasons, but Hugo Strange seems like a perfectly believable name.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

dunno why people keep saying Oz Cobb, seems like it's self-destructive trying to force yourself to hate this nothing burger name change. his name is Oswald Cobb lol

I am aware. I don't think its a huge deal, I just think its lame and pointless lol.

 

[solidsnake86]

I actually know someone with the last name Stranges.

 

[J.Drangal]

I am aware. I don't think its a huge deal, I just think its lame and pointless lol.

I don't know if it was my kidding remark that started the debate, but yeah, I agree.

I can understand that a name change could eventually serve a reinvention—like Cobb, which probably sounds less noble than Cobblepot—but when it comes to a supposed credibility, it seems like a pointless effort to me.
I mean, I know a gastroenterologist whose name, in my language, means “Guts” and an accountant whose name means “Bribe”. So I can live with "E.Nygma", "Victor Fries", "Harley Quinzel" and maybe even with a Two-Face who might be called "Harvey Flipcoin"...

However, if a creator is uncomfortable with a name, I would rather they change it than mock it through a sarcastic line within the story...

 

[Luke995]

Recently, I crossed with Gates of Gotham. I was quite surprised about the presence of Elliot Bridge, explicitly mentioned in The Penguin.
Plus, the bridge is in the Gotham's mark in Reevesverse.

I know that Reeves loves doing references, but by know I see as a fact that we will see Thomas Elliot, I'm still doubtful about Hush.

Plus, in that comic there are flasbacks about Edward Elliot, Cobblepot family, Waynes and Kanes.
I mean, if you take that, you change Kanes with Arkhams and Cobblepot with Cobbs from Court of Owls, and consider that william Cobb was a circus acrobat...
Mixing and changing stuffs you can have both a mystery that digs into Gotham history and involves Dick Grayson and some seeds for spinoff or maybe a plan by Oz to force a non-existent lineage (a bit like in Batman Returns).

I hope it won't be too much about the past: I trust in Reeves but I fear an Indiana Jones-effect. But if done properly and about a present history which has a basis in events that occurred between the 1980s and the 2000s (not XIX centuries), I'm fully in.

I have the feelings that it would be a very epic and large story (a big conspiracy thriller like in the comics has never been done in movies!) and I imagine why it's been so long to write to be coherent.

So, my guesses about the new characters at the moment are:
- Lincoln March or William Cobb (or mixed) --> Owlman or Talon
- Thomas Elliot
- Hugo Strange or Jeremiah Arkham (or mixed)
- Dick Grayson
- Leslie Thompkins
- Harvey Dent (role of the Oz's size in Part I).

 

[SupermansPal]

I honestly wouldn't mind if it was retconned that the Cobb(lepot)s were a wealthy family but one of Oz's ancestors screwed up and lost their fortune.

 

[Johnny Frost]

I honestly wouldn't mind if it was retconned that the Cobb(lepot)s were a wealthy family but one of Oz's ancestors screwed up and lost their fortune.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the backstory of the Elliot family.

 

[BigBatTheory]

please read my pdf uwu

 

[BigBatTheory]

Okay got some serious tinfoil hat speculation to share. We all know that the films Klute, and All The President's Men, were cited by Matt Reeves as inspiration for the first movie. Both of those films are part of the director Alan J. Pakula's "Paranoia Trilogy". I wouldn't be the first person to suggest that the third film from that collection of films, The Parallax View, might serve as inspiration for The Batman Part II. That film is about a corporation that brainwashes mentally unstable men, turning them into the fall guys for political assassinations; it'd be a great inspiration for a more grounded take on Hugo Strange and his Monster Men. I watched The Parallax View for the first time just a couple days ago to further develop my own theories on the matter, and when I reached the third act, my jaw DROPPED. The third act of that film involves the protagonist attempting to thwart the assassination of a political candidate, and the sequence plays out on the catwalk above the rehearsal for a political event and man did it feel familiar. So my theory is: Matt watched the entirety of the Paranoia trilogy while writing The Batman, and took distinct inspiration from that assassination sequence for his film. Further more, he has avoided mentioning the trilogy by name, and The Parallax View in particular, specifically because to mention it could spoil how he plans to take inspiration from it for Part II.

 

[Boom]

Yes please.