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I found this on another forum....

http://411mania.com/wrestling/former-wwe-writer-says-vince-mcmahon-micromanages-everything-to-death/

- Former WWE creative writer Kevin Marshall called into Wrestling Observer Live and spoke about the WWE creative team process. Here are the highlights…

On Vince McMahon’s Involvement in The Creative Process: “Basically everything is micromanaged to death [by Vince] and I know there is a lot of talk of ‘they’ over there when we talk about the writing process for the show. It is no secret that the buck stops with Vince, but when I was there, and I guess that this started sometime before even I started there back last October, he was micromanaging everything to death. Basically you’re sitting there trying to write for him and you’re trying to figure out what he wants. The job became very quickly trying to figure out what Vince is thinking and then having him tell you he’s changed his mind. So when we talk about the show being rewritten as it’s happening, what I need people to know is that that show was likely written well in advance and there was an attempt at it, but either nothing was approved or everything got scrapped and rewritten by the man himself.”

On The Biggest Misconception Fans Have of The Creative Team: “Well, I think the biggest misconception is that we sit around and we decide who gets pushed and who doesn’t, that we sit there and lay out what the tent poles are going to be for the year, like ‘hey, John Cena should win the title, blah blah blah’. We don’t make those decisions, we don’t make those calls on finishes, we don’t sit there and hold talent back.

I think that’s the biggest misconception is the idea that we just sit around and we bury talent and we try to come up with ideas to make everybody look stupid. That’s certainly not the case! Just speaking from a writer’s perspective, I never met anybody who was in the business of trying to make somebody else look bad. I think it’s very easy when you watch our product, and I think just when you watch professional wrestling in general, to get the impression that wow, they’re really going out of their way to make this guy look stupid.

It’s really just a combination of things: 1) There’s a lot of politics that goes on behind the scenes that the creative team is not in control of; [and] 2) There are certain guys that probably are their own worst enemy, as we all are, myself included.

It’s a lot, lot harder than it looks, especially when you have a limited roster, which when you thumb through it on WWE.com that roster looks huge, [but] when you lay it down on a piece of paper and you have to fill like sixteen segments for Monday and then twelve for Tuesday, which is Smackdown, and then you have Main Event and Superstars and everything, it’s really, really hard.”
 
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I can't give Rollins enough props for how he pulled that off. The pregnant pause right after the slime hits him was what sold it: the combination of disbelief, realization, escalating rage and an attempt to re-compose himself was perfect.
 
Source: PWInsider Elite

We noted before that it appeared WWE was giving Luke Harper a push after airing new vignettes from The Wyatt Family on RAW where Bray Wyatt "set Harper free."

Word from backstage at RAW is that the group will indeed be going their separate ways.

It is not confirmed that any of The Wyatt Family members will be getting a big push out of the split. The only thing confirmed is that Bray, Harper and Erick Rowan will be working apart soon, instead of together. There's also no word on which, if any, Wyatt Family member will be turning babyface but there's been speculation on Bray making a turn.




Read more: http://www.WrestlingInc.com/wi/news...r-the-wyatt-family-and-the-new/#ixzz3Eu93Rfcj

If they handle Harper aka Bruiser Brodie Lee right then he can be something special as a singles star. Got a creepy intimidating look, Strong ring worker and he isn't bad on the mic from what Ive heard from him.
 
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I admit Eric Rowan is overall the weakest member of the Wyatt trio, but I still kind of like the guy. If Harper goes solo, and Wyatt turns face and kind of becomes the new Undertaker, is there a big hoss in development that can be Eric's tag team partner going forward?
 
I admit Eric Rowan is overall the weakest member of the Wyatt trio, but I still kind of like the guy. If Harper goes solo, and Wyatt turns face and kind of becomes the new Undertaker, is there a big hoss in development that can be Eric's tag team partner going forward?

Not exactly a hoss but maybe Baron Corbin would be a good foil for him in a tag team.
 
Hmm... on one hand, I'm glad that Harper might be getting a push out of this, but it does make me wonder where they're going with Wyatt and Rowan.

I feel like the strength of the Wyatt character is the influence he can exert over a group of followers, so it'd be a shame for him to fly completely solo. But he's a good enough promo that he can keep things entertaining on his own at least. Too bad we may never get to see a Raven's Flock type of deal though - it certainly would help give some other guys more direction.

As others have noted, Rowan seemingly has the weakest upside of the three. A tag team feels like the best route for a guy like him, or a bodyguard type of role for a little guy. It's a shame we have no idea what they're doing with Solomon Crowe since I feel they'd be a good fit together too.
 
Wait...they broke up the Wyatt family?
 
They have really been dropping the ball with Wyatt in general in recent months.
 
That Smackdown for like the 10th week in a row looks like major garbage
 
Not entirely, but now they've become just other guys on the roster. Or geeks.

*Sigh* Why does WWE keep ruining the things that have lots of potential? It's comical how often they shoot themselves in the foot.
 
*Sigh* Why does WWE keep ruining the things that have lots of potential? It's comical how often they shoot themselves in the foot.

When all 3 of those guys are made to look like dorks by John Cena one week and by Big Show the next, it's clear there is no direction for them.
 
They did fail horribly with The Wyatts. The first mistake was not putting the tag belts on Rowan and Harper and the second was feeding Bray to Cena like that. Both mistakes go squarely on the shoulders of Vince IMO.
 
Now they're just 3 other geeks on the roster. Way to go, creative!
 
They did fail horribly with The Wyatts. The first mistake was not putting the tag belts on Rowan and Harper and the second was feeding Bray to Cena like that. Both mistakes go squarely on the shoulders of Vince IMO.

Agreed.

The Wyatt's lost momentum when they lost back to back to the Usos.

Bray was sacrificed to professional thunder stealer John Cena. Vince wonders why he can't build new stars when anytime he has a potential star like Bray or Cesaro he kills their ascent by offering them up to guys who don't need the win.
 
To answer my own question regarding Imposing a 2 year plan to improve WWE's product, Here's my layout:

IMPROVING WWE: YEAR ONE

- Make sure to demote Vince and Kevin Dunn from using their stroke by forcing them to retire

This would be the most critical step one can make in improving WWE because those two are the biggest cancers to the product and have been for years now due to being out of touch, discriminatory and short sighted. Last thing we need is two racist old self serving a-holes ruining the chances of stars being made because their preferences aren't met by these talents. Talents such as Sheamus, Cesaro, and Paige in recent months/years have all been victims of being screwed over solely for being international, having accents, and not fitting Vince's mold. On top of that, it's like those two are a treasure trove of wasteful, unfunny comedy skits and convoluted scripts for the shows.

- Cutting Down The Writing Team

NXT is proof that a small creative team is ideal because of there not being too many cooks in the kitchen. If you have a head writer and a writer under him then it should all be fine for the most part.

Plus every year someone from creative seems to get fired anyway.


Giving More Freedom to The Wrestlers

When I say this I mean both on the mic and in the ring. For instance, instead of forcing wrestlers to follow scripted dialogue verbatim at the risk of sounding stiff, start giving them talking points but allowing them to say it their way. Not only that instead of micromanaging how the wrestlers work in the ring, I'd just give them a small list of safety hazard moves and tell them "Put on the best match you guys can put on for this amount of time". Some will say "Psychology is what really matters" but with the limitations championed by the main roster they are almost limited to only the most basic form of psychology. I understand making every move count but not every wrestler needs to follow the "punch.........kick.........punch........resthold........stomp.........resthold.....5 moves of doom" format to put on great matches. Same thing goes for not needing a Dean Malenko like arsenal. Just strike a balance between having a somewhat diverse arsenal and maintaining good in ring storytelling. Because when versatility and psychology is put together there are more possibilities for the types of stories that can be told in the ring. The said, the above outline may work for certain wrestlers but they usually need the right mannerisms for such a thing to work well and not everyone is Jake The Snake.

Which brings me to.....


RING TIME

This is something that can be saving grace to ANY wrestling show regardless of how weak the storylines may be because it's essentially the meat potatoes of the business. Call it "Sports Entertainment" if you want to but ultimately what the talents do is WRESTLE and when you let them wrestle good to great matches it can become a redeeming quality for a product because fans will know that have that to look forward to even when storylines become a mess. For example, when the booking went down the drain in the Fall/Winter of 2013, WWE had a great in ring product with several MOTY candidates happening throughout each week, either involving The Tag team division or whomever Punk and Bryan were wrestling. Along with Cena even adding to his own arsenal to fit in with what was going on.

Ultimately Good wrestling can be the glue than holds a show together because interestingly enough if you get a great promo but a weak match, everything will feel anticlimactic and disappointing but if you get Mediocre promos and story but a good-great match it'll feel like it's been redeemed.

Alongside that if every match on the shows are given 15 to 25 minutes. Raw is 3 hrs, that's just the right amount of time to put on good matches and develop all the necessary feuds simultaneously


3. Taking more risks with the Format of the show

One of WWE's biggest problems right now is the predictability regarding the show's structure. They often, open and close their shows the exact same way and we see the same type of segments throughout the show.

It's pretty much open the show with a lengthy promo, then have matches, backstage talking, run-ins to close the show. Rinse and repeat.

Why not begin the shows differently each week. One week a promo to open the show, next week a match opens the show, on a different week begin the show with a pre-taped "on-location" segment or a simple backstage ambush for example?

Hell....use on location segments more often in the show period.


Take the divas more seriously

This is one of the most aggravating aspects of the products, whether it's marginalizing the divas that can wrestle to emphasize the ones that can't, Total Divas, that ******ed looking championship belt or referring to them as "Divas" in the first place instead of letting them identify as Women WRESTLERS. The solution to this would be making every "Total Diva" not named Natalya or Summer Rae not wrestle and only be ambassadors for the division by appearing in Total Divas and promoting the product through interviews Etc. Not only that let divas like Paige, Charlotte, Natalya, AJ, Becky Lynch and the like be front and center in the divas division while having someone like Summer Rae or even Brie Bella be the stuck up girls that identify as divas and not wrestlers. But that would require referring to the division as the "Women's division" and bringing back the "women's title".

Alongside that let them be in wrestling oriented feuds and not daytime TV oriented feuds


Long term investment in developing an undercard

Instead of depleting the tag team division and treating the US and IC title divisions like they don't matter, they should be building up and letting more guys in those divisions get promo and ring time. No more random start and stop pushes and no more breaking up tag teams with no real plan in sight. The more sources of income/star power the better. People need a reason to care about THE WHOLE SHOW not just parts of the show.

More "Grounded" interview segments

These work well in UFC, NXT, and even feuds of WWE past because it not only allows the performers to be comfortable in their own skin but it gives the viewers a more intimate view of who these guys are or atleast gives off that impression.

Make Championship belt feuds revolve around the title

The simple storyline of "who is better" or "You have this belt and I want to take it" make's the belt feel more important because it shows how much the wrestlers want those belts and how important they are to them. As opposed to the belt just being a subplot in a feud revolving around a handful of other stuff.
 
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Im watching Monday Night War documentaries in a binge watch...Other then them using rehashed footage from prior documentaries to retell most of each episode...This is some great stuff.

I miss the attitude era so much man...I understand the company is public and gone back to a family friendly style for the most part...But I wish they found some middle ground, get something going...We are basically back to per-attitude era. I do think Triple H has alot to offer and his new game is to see online feedback and take suggestions from fans.

Which lets be honest can be better then some stressed out writers trying to find ways just to appease Vince.


Anyone know what Shane McMahon is up to nowadays?
 
IMPROVING WWE: YEAR TWO

Let the Midcard titles headline PPVs

This would be a good way to use positive momentum from Year One to resurrect the importance of the non World titles. These belts were at one point able to headline live events in their respective heydays(except the Women's title) and the IC title even closed a Summerslam once.

Not to mention that with the WWE Network, there is a significant amount of leeway to take more risks with PPV buys being less of a factor.

OFFSEASON for Performers

This is something that WWE has actually considered from time to time but don't have te star power to do but with the ideas from Year One that should be rectified. Which would also come into play with letting the other titles headline different PPVs. It not only recharges the wrestlers and reduces injury rate but it gives other talent chances to be in the spotlight and forces WWE to have put more effort into developing stars.

Have all Titles defended simultaneously only once a year

When I say once a year, I mean once at Summerslam and once at Mania during the new year, if this is done in this way, having all the titles defended with a new prestige will make these big PPVs feel that much more special and generate more revenue due to the fans that are into what each title has to offer all paying to see said events.


So what do you guys think about my "2 year plan"?
 
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Im watching Monday Night War documentaries in a binge watch...Other then them using rehashed footage from prior documentaries to retell most of each episode...This is some great stuff.

I miss the attitude era so much man...I understand the company is public and gone back to a family friendly style for the most part...But I wish they found some middle ground, get something going...We are basically back to per-attitude era. I do think Triple H has alot to offer and his new game is to see online feedback and take suggestions from fans.

Which lets be honest can be better then some stressed out writers trying to find ways just to appease Vince.


Anyone know what Shane McMahon is up to nowadays?

Not too sure about Shane but he was at a block party 5 min away from my house 2 weeks ago. I'm upset I didn't go but a friend of mine got a picture with him. I think he was buying a motorcycle? I'm not that sure.
 
I have no idea what anyone is talking about right now. After seeing Paige's rear end, words are just jumbled.....:hubba
 
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