Rise of the Silver Surfer THING/Michael Chiklis DISCUSSION

[Vartha]

Wow, you can see the brow being bigger in this pic. I can't wait to see more of Ben & Alica sceens. There just wasn't enough in the 1st film.

 

[SeverianB]

If he was allowed input then I'd hope he at least told them what a tame effort it was, but I seriously doubt if Chiklis would have much say in the design of the costume in the end: his job is to play the role, not design the way it looks.

Actually, he did have a lot of input. He said he wouldn't have played the role if they did it CGI like the Hulk. He hated that.
So... all the fanboys whining about how they didn't use CGI to make him bigger/more inhuman/blah blah blah.... you can now start shatting on Chiklis, too. I think that will make you happy... another person to ***** to. LOL.

I personally really liked his potrayal and the way the suit let him express his emotions. In my opinion, any CGI would have had a detrimental effect. The thing was one of the high points of the movie.

I hope the fanboi-requested brow they added doesn't inpinge on the actors ability to emote. Then the fanbois will scream "He's too wooden!!!" Dip*****s.

 

[Vartha]

Yeah we've said it in the past, you can't please everyone all the time, and there are fans out there that have a favorite Thing, and there are a lot of different versions over the years.
I'm easy to please, I knew what they were going for in the 1st film, and I think they did a great job.

 

[wobbly]

Actually, he did have a lot of input. He said he wouldn't have played the role if they did it CGI like the Hulk. He hated that.
So... all the fanboys whining about how they didn't use CGI to make him bigger/more inhuman/blah blah blah.... you can now start shatting on Chiklis, too. I think that will make you happy... another person to ***** to. LOL.

I personally really liked his potrayal and the way the suit let him express his emotions. In my opinion, any CGI would have had a detrimental effect. The thing was one of the high points of the movie.

I hope the fanboi-requested brow they added doesn't inpinge on the actors ability to emote. Then the fanbois will scream "He's too wooden!!!" Dip*****s.

No need to go and be deliberately inflammatary in your post. So you liked the muted design they came up with? that's fine, but trying to insult or provoke those who think it's a tame effort (and it is) is not called for.

And fyi, Chiklis refusing to take the role if it was gonna be CGI doesn't mean he had any input in the design of the rubber suit itself beyond being a catalyst in the use of one.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Dip*****s.

Wow, you're really passionate about dried macaroni rubber circus peanut burn victim man.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

BTW, I wanted to mention, the mantra about how it had to be make up on Chiklis' face so he could convey emotion?

Horsecrap.

Are any of the people who incessantly repeat this falsehood actually going to sit there and tell me that they felt no emotional impact from Darth Vader, C3PO or even R2D2?

No emotion successfully conveyed by Gollum?
That's preposterous.
I picked up the "emotions" on the characters in Monsters, Inc. Looking For Nemo and even the Kermit the Frog puppet.

So please, stop saying that. It's silly.

Gollum was a billion times more heart-rending and emotionally complex than The Thing was in the movie, and part of the reason is BECAUSE he was CGI......it's too difficult for a man to manipulate pounds of rubber with his facial muscles (especially when the rubber is designed to resemble rock), but it's effortless with CGI.

If it had been CGI, instead of puppeting rubber from insde, each individual rocky SCALE could've interacted, which would've been totally impossible to do practically.

He could've HAD the comicbook eyebrow and he could've raised one eyebrow, it could've gone like this "^" or like this "V" or whatever, while STILL looking more like real rock.

lol, I marvel at how clueless some people are regarding this.


You didn't like the Hulk CG?
Guess what, it was 'cause of the design, not because it was CG.
Everyone knows very well that in a Hulk movie, he should be picking up and swinging army tanks.
Guess what, SO should the Thing.
Now, imagine how laughably ******ed it would've looked to have a normal, Human muscle man, with rubber muscles, picking up and flinging a tank. puhLEASE

Well, that's what they did in the F4 movie, and sorry, it sucked.
Ass.

 

[Carp Man]

Wilhelm. When I saw you posted in this thread, I almost knew what it was about. You don't like the Thing. Admit it and move on. No CGI for the Thing, they found an actor who was willing to take him on, and did a fantastic job by the way. Take your CGI Thing idea and stick it. There is no way in hell a CGI charactor can display the range of emotions like an actor can. Long live The Thing. Thank you Michele for bringing him to life. Wilhelm, get your a** in that suit 12 hours a day, and let us see if you could do better. You know I am passionate when it comes to the Thing. And I do not apoligise for it.

 

[Hunter Rider]

BTW, I wanted to mention, the mantra about how it had to be make up on Chiklis' face so he could convey emotion?

Horsecrap.

Are any of the people who incessantly repeat this falsehood actually going to sit there and tell me that they felt no emotional impact from Darth Vader, C3PO or even R2D2?

.

I have to agree with this,plenty of characters can convey emotion without even having facial features and with CGI now they can get amazing emotion out of characters,even the dino's in JP

Not that i personally had a huge problem with Thing other than that he looked rubbery in several scenes where you could see folds but on this point Wil is right their isn't a counter argument

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Wilhelm. When I saw you posted in this thread, I almost knew what it was about. You don't like the Thing. Admit it and move on. No CGI for the Thing, they found an actor who was willing to take him on, and did a fantastic job by the way. Take your CGI Thing idea and stick it. There is no way in hell a CGI charactor can display the range of emotions like an actor can. Long live The Thing. Thank you Michele for bringing him to life. Wilhelm, get your a** in that suit 12 hours a day, and let us see if you could do better. You know I am passionate when it comes to the Thing. And I do not apoligise for it.

I'm sorry, I was simply responding to SeverianB who said that people who didn't like costume Thing were:

Dip*****s.

Again, the eternal double standard, chastize and persecute those who express their opinion that the suit looked bad, and give carte blanche to those who did like it to yowl just as long and hard about liking it, only without being told to "stick it", and with no consequences for making personal attacks, such as when SeverianB said that people who have a different opinion are

Dip*****s.

lol, Well, at least there's a lot of consistency here.

 

[TripleF]

Actually, he did have a lot of input. He said he wouldn't have played the role if they did it CGI like the Hulk. He hated that.
So... all the fanboys whining about how they didn't use CGI to make him bigger/more inhuman/blah blah blah.... you can now start shatting on Chiklis, too. I think that will make you happy... another person to ***** to. LOL.

I personally really liked his potrayal and the way the suit let him express his emotions. In my opinion, any CGI would have had a detrimental effect. The thing was one of the high points of the movie.

I hope the fanboi-requested brow they added doesn't inpinge on the actors ability to emote. Then the fanbois will scream "He's too wooden!!!" Dip*****s.

Yeah, ya might want to chill alittle bit. Name calling is still name calling whether ya got the **** in there or not. It's all opinion, man. Go with yours, read others, its all good. No need to flame.

 

[TripleF]

Wilhelm. When I saw you posted in this thread, I almost knew what it was about. You don't like the Thing. Admit it and move on. No CGI for the Thing, they found an actor who was willing to take him on, and did a fantastic job by the way. Take your CGI Thing idea and stick it. There is no way in hell a CGI charactor can display the range of emotions like an actor can. Long live The Thing. Thank you Michele for bringing him to life. Wilhelm, get your a** in that suit 12 hours a day, and let us see if you could do better. You know I am passionate when it comes to the Thing. And I do not apoligise for it.

Why should he move on? If people continue to say it looked great, why shouldn't people be able to say that it didn't? You move on from personal attacks, flame wars etc. You don't necessarily have to move on from your opinion.

Stop with the flame crap, man. It's his opinion. Let him have his opinion and you have yours. Debate it man, don't flame it.

 

[TripleF]

I'm sorry, I was simply responding to SeverianB who said that people who didn't like costume Thing were:


Again, the eternal double standard, chastize and persecute those who express their opinion that the suit looked bad, and give carte blanche to those who did like it to yowl just as long and hard about liking it, only without being told to "stick it", and with no consequences for making personal attacks, such as when SeverianB said that people who have a different opinion are

lol, Well, at least there's a lot of consistency here.

Ya gotta give us time to come and post. Just because no one jumps to it within minutes doesn't mean we don't see where you are coming from.

Give your opinion without the "my right's are being taken away" crap. No one is persecuting you, good lord.

Look at the source. Sev, up there, not sure what got into him. But, come on Carpy up there is simply a flamer. Not worth the time typing.

@Carpy, Since when did a girl named Michele play Ben? EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO BE PASSIONATE. Not just YOU.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

At least we can all agree that Michael Chiklis was amazingly perfect, right?
I've never heard a single person who didn't think he was awesome.
So that provides some warm+fuzzies. *shrug*

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Give your opinion without the "my right's are being taken away" crap. No one is persecuting you, good lord.

Yeah, I'm just coming from the perspective of someone who's been here since before the first movie.
If, in one of my rants back then, and I suspect now, I said Carp Man is a "Dip****" who should take his goofy, rubber Thing costume and "Stick It".
*p00f!*
I'd be banned like "THAT".
True story.

 

[TripleF]

At least we can all agree that Michael Chiklis was amazingly perfect, right?
I've never heard a single person who didn't think he was awesome.
So that provides some warm+fuzzies. *shrug*

Yep, I thought he did a great job. I thought all did a great job, just not all had great writing for them. Even Ben's part would have been better had parts not been cut. Hmmmm. nope, no warm fuzzy feeling for me on that one. Just an agreement.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

so no group-hug?

 

[Carp Man]

I'm sorry, I was simply responding to SeverianB who said that people who didn't like costume Thing were:


Again, the eternal double standard, chastize and persecute those who express their opinion that the suit looked bad, and give carte blanche to those who did like it to yowl just as long and hard about liking it, only without being told to "stick it", and with no consequences for making personal attacks, such as when SeverianB said that people who have a different opinion are

lol, Well, at least there's a lot of consistency here.

Well I would not put it in those terms. You would perfer a CGI ( Hulk ) type Thing, and thats ok, but not for many of us. Chilkis performance was outstanding. And should be even better for the sequel, because of the experience of the 1st film. All of the actors should be better in their respective parts. We've had some spirited arguments, but I respect your opinion.

 

[TripleF]

Yeah, I'm just coming from the perspective of someone who's been here since before the first movie.
If, in one of my rants back then, and I suspect now, I said Carp Man is a "Dip****" who should take his goofy, rubber Thing costume and "Stick It".
*p00f!*
I'd be banned like "THAT".
True story.

Nah, I was reading long before Fishboy over there got here. I remember names thrown around like "plebeian", "cheerleaders", "plants", "tools", "sheep". Remember those?

Honestly, good or bad, depending on how ya look at it. Looks to me like a simple, "what goes around comes around". The scales of "loud voices" has simply moved to the other side.

When you are looking in from the outside, you tend to see alot more.

As for me, doesn't matter the opinion, what matters is the respect of the opinion. I respect your opinion WS. I really do.

 

[Carp Man]

Yeah, I'm just coming from the perspective of someone who's been here since before the first movie.
If, in one of my rants back then, and I suspect now, I said Carp Man is a "Dip****" who should take his goofy, rubber Thing costume and "Stick It".
*p00f!*
I'd be banned like "THAT".
True story.

Hey if you want to tell me to take the Thing costume and shove it, that's cool. Just if you dish it out be ready to take it. I respect all opinions, unless someone wants to be a jerk about it. I'm very passonite and defensive when it comes to the FF in general, and The Thing in particular. t:

 

[mikebatho]

CGI is a bad idea, no matter how you put it. It wasn't because the thing was a costume that it failed, it was because the people behind it were incompetent.

Look at Jim Henson's company, or, for a better exemple, the costumes of the turtles in the original teenage mutant ninja turtles. Masterpieces, all of them. 20 years before what we got with the thing. Or look at Dark crystal, or the legend, or any of the big Jim Henson movies. Wonderful, all of them.

Heck, look at mr. Hyde from LXG. Make a thing as big as that (or rather, as wide, small in high, but wide) using those kinds of makeup, and give him elbrows, and the right kind of noise, and we might actually get something good next time.

CGI is the worst idea though... Never believable, and cost way too much. Bleh.

Hyde from LXG Looked terrible. Running around swinging huge, rubber arms, with no real ability to flex or manipulate them under scrutiny.

If they're going with the suit, then we're stuck with it the way it is - by means of size. As it's already been said on here, they made it as big as was possible the first time to still allow free movement with MC.

There's only so much you can do with a guy in a suit, and you have to take that on board before you view these movies, or subscribe to a total CG thing. An animatronic mask would allow for the bigger, more thuggish head features, but on the body of a guy in a suit, how much bigger can it be without dwarfing the body?

I don't want to see a movie where they shoot different parts of the body seperately, like an animatronic head, more realistic hands, then you see a less sophistocated thing as the full body shot, and I think using a CG body with MC made-up will be a mistake. There are still many problems matching CG with real time filming - look at how bad King Kong looked whenever CG Kong was in contact with the real life girl....

Forgive thing his on screen limitations, let them cover up wrinkles where they can, and be grateful that we're seeing an actor at work....

I do agree that the filming around him could indicate much more weight......

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

THAT'S what I'm talkin' about.

 

[Carp Man]

THAT'S what I'm talkin' about.

Every time you post a comment about the Thing, I must look. You can not have that look without CGI. And it is not happening. A Thing CG charactor is not happening, should not happen, and thank you Michale Chilkis it is not happening.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm sorry but i have to agree with Wilhelm here, CGI can convey just as much if not more emotion than someone's face covered by rubber. Just look at Hulk, Gollum or King Kong. ALL of them expressed more emotions in thier respective movies than The Thing did in FF IMO. Just look at one scene in the Hulk were he lands outside his old house, looks at it and gulps with a saddened look on his face. It looked so real and i doubt Chiklis could have conveyed the same emotions in a suite in a similar scene.

 

[fantastic fifth]

Just look at one scene in the Hulk were he lands outside his old house, looks at it and gulps with a saddened look on his face. It looked so real and i doubt Chiklis could have conveyed the same emotions in a suite in a similar scene.

Personally, I thought nothing about the Hulk in that movie looked real.