Rise of the Silver Surfer THING/Michael Chiklis DISCUSSION

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Really? When was the last time you watched it?

Anyway even so, just look at Gollum and King Kong.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Personally, I thought nothing about the Hulk in that movie looked real.

Yeah, when I watch a comicbook movie, I like to see a comicbook "come to life".


I see:

and I see:

aaaaaaaand, I'm gonna have to go with the first one.

 

[SeverianB]

Look at the source. Sev, up there, not sure what got into him.

Probably Beer and Vodka. Combine that with annoyance from the repeated fanboi whining, and you get a Kramer-like: "dips**ts"
My apologies to all those offended. I'm not a racist, that's the crazy thing.

The Thing worked for me. The Hulk didn't. Gollum was ok, and I'm hoping Silver Surfer is even better. The more fantastic the character, the better CGI works, IMHO. Because of this, I feel the Silver Surfer may be the perfect CGI character.

Oh, and I'll have to go with Lou over the CGI Hulk. To each their own. Oh, and have you seen Lou recently? He still looks like he could put on some green paint and smash some stuff.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

But the real Hulk can easily pick up and swing army tanks.
Do you have any idea how comical, preposterous and ******ed it would look to see an effects set piece where Lou Ferrigno appeared to pick up an army tank and hoist it over his head?

If you don't want to even have a modicum of faithfulness to the characters, why even make the movie?

 

[fantastic fifth]

I do see your point, but as for The Hulk CGI movie (in my opinion) - he looked fake against everything else looking so real. Does that make sense? And no, I would not pick the Hulk TV series over the movie either. Now, the octopus-face dude in Pirates of the Carribean did look real to me and didn't sharply contrast with his surroundings. Maybe it just depends on how it is done and by whom.

 

[SeverianB]

But the real Hulk can easily pick up and swing army tanks.
Do you have any idea how comical, preposterous and ******ed it would look to see an effects set piece where Lou Ferrigno appeared to pick up an army tank and hoist it over his head?

If you don't want to even have a modicum of faithfulness to the characters, why even make the movie?

Well, the question we should be asking is: What looks better? The CGI Hulk, picking up a CGI tank, or a "real" Hulk picking up a CGI tank? Or a combo of CGI and "real"? For me, the CGI isn't there yet for the human-like characters, like the Hulk. I liked the Thing better than the Hulk. Simple as that.

To me, seeing an obviously CGI Hulk throwing stuff around in a real world situation was "comical, preposterous and ******ed". I'm not the only one.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, when I watch a comicbook movie, I like to see a comicbook "come to life".


I see:

and I see:

aaaaaaaand, I'm gonna have to go with the first one.

Yeah me too, the CGI Hulk is closer to the comic and more believable in the feats he achieves IMO.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

People forget, if you saw a giant green man, in real life, lifting a tank, it would look "fake" to you.

I have seen so many real, actual decayed human corpses that look SO much more fake than corpses you'll see in big-budget Horror movies, CSI, etc.

I hated the design of the Hulk, 'cause Ang was so concerned with humanizing him that he said "Don't make him look like a big green ape.", but that's what he LOOKS like! So there were shots where he had a BABY-FACE.

But as far as "fake-looking", the only parts that looked really fake to me were when he was a little spec "flying" after a jump.
Thing is though, that's what it would look like, if you ever saw a giant green man flying through the sky.


But all of this is irrelevant. I think most agree that Gollum looked amazing and was at least cooler than a skinny guy in a scuba suit with an animatronic mask on, and EVERYone seems to agree that the squidhead in the pirate movie looked really real (I don't watch pirate movies, so...)

And I never said, "They should've done the Thing with CRAPPY or sometimes PRETTY PASSABLE CGI!"
I'm saying that you can't do the character effectively without superb, state-of-the-art CGI.
If you can't afford it, don't make the movie. Wait till technology improves and gets cheaper.*shrug*

To finally see the Thing in a movie, stretching and fiddling with his rubber fingers, and with puny human proportions was heart-breaking.

 

[Carp Man]

That's what makes it a world, everyone has different tasts. As for the CGI Hulk in the movie, CGI was needed. The Hulk can do more things then The Thing. His leaping ability for one. The Thing could life a tank, but as far as swinging it ? Hasn't been shown. So For the movie CGI Hulk, yes. For FF, CGI Thing, NO. Just like Story said about the Surfer, CGI was way to go because no human could acomplish the things the Surfer can. So CGI Surfer, yes.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

That's what makes it a world, everyone has different tasts. As for the CGI Hulk in the movie, CGI was needed. The Hulk can do more things then The Thing. His leaping ability for one. The Thing could life a tank, but as far as swinging it ? Hasn't been shown. So For the movie CGI Hulk, yes. For FF, CGI Thing, NO. Just like Story said about the Surfer, CGI was way to go because no human could acomplish the things the Surfer can. So CGI Surfer, yes.

Heh, 40 years of comics.

The Thing has been shown lifting an entire apartment building off of the ground and his rivalry with the Hulk has been going for decades.

He's a little smaller than the Hulk but has held his own and he can easily throw a tank.


Only way to do the Hulk justice is CGI.
Only way to do the Thing justice is CGI.
End of story.

 

[Carp Man]

The question for the ages. Who is stronger ? Never be an answer. t:

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Heh, 40 years of comics.

The Thing has been shown lifting an entire apartment building off of the ground and his rivalry with the Hulk has been going for decades.

He's a little smaller than the Hulk but has held his own and he can easily throw a tank.


Only way to do the Hulk justice is CGI.
Only way to do the Thing justice is CGI.
End of story.

Totally agree with all of this.

 

[Felix]

I think this would be more bingo with those sadly human proportions..

Augh!

I completely forgot I did this!

*painful flashback of hours spent on this kind of stuff*

 

[Malus]

The question for the ages. Who is stronger ? Never be an answer. t:

I'm pretty sure Hulk is officially stronger. I'm sure someone out there has Marvels' official stats on that.
But Ben is smarter, which is why he's always held his own and come real close to cleaning the Hulk's clock a couple of times.
I hope someday they'll let Ben win outright by outwitting him.

 

[terry78]

Strength Level: The Hulk possesses superhuman strength of the Class 100 level, enabling him to lift (press) in excess of 100 tons. The Hulk only attains this strength level when he is enraged. In a totally, calm state his functional strength is significantly less, perhaps in the 70 ton range. In human form Bruce Banner possesses the normal human strength of a man of his age, height, and build who engages in no regular exercise.

Strength Level: The Thing possesses superhuman strength, enabling him to lift (press) 85 tons. The Thing's strength grew considerably over the initial years of his career. At one early point in his life as the Thing, for example, he could only lift (press) 5 tons.


Depends on how pissed Hulk is. If he's trying to fight, then Thing gets taken down. If he's just chilling, then The Thing has the upper hand.

 

[Carp Man]

I'm pretty sure Hulk is officially stronger. I'm sure someone out there has Marvels' official stats on that.
But Ben is smarter, which is why he's always held his own and come real close to cleaning the Hulk's clock a couple of times.
I hope someday they'll let Ben win outright by outwitting him.

The Hulk is stronger, but the Thing, is smarter, and more agile then the Hulk. When Bruce Banner becomes the Hulk, the Hulk is just all brute force, no brains. So what the Thing lacks in brute force, he compensates in other ways. He can outthink, and outmanuver the Hulk.

 

[highguard]

Strength Level: The Hulk possesses superhuman strength of the Class 100 level, enabling him to lift (press) in excess of 100 tons. The Hulk only attains this strength level when he is enraged. In a totally, calm state his functional strength is significantly less, perhaps in the 70 ton range. In human form Bruce Banner possesses the normal human strength of a man of his age, height, and build who engages in no regular exercise.

Strength Level: The Thing possesses superhuman strength, enabling him to lift (press) 85 tons. The Thing's strength grew considerably over the initial years of his career. At one early point in his life as the Thing, for example, he could only lift (press) 5 tons.


Depends on how pissed Hulk is. If he's trying to fight, then Thing gets taken down. If he's just chilling, then The Thing has the upper hand.

I think this is about right, however in the ultimate universe, the thing is significantly stronger and as demonstrated when he went up against the zombie Hulk, Thing seems to be stronger in the ultimate universe.

And by the way Namor is significantly stronger than both of them in the ultimate world.

 

[Norm3]

I hope the movie Hulk never meets the movie Thing, because with the Hulk at a ******ed 15 ft tall & an under 6ft Thing, its no contest. Infact it would look ridiculous!

 

[Felix]

I hope the movie Hulk never meets the movie Thing, because with the Hulk at a ******ed 15 ft tall & an under 6ft Thing, its no contest. Infact it would look ridiculous!

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[Norm3]

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Exactly!

 

[wobbly]

I made this one quite a while back now but at least here the proportions of the Hulk & Thing are about right:

For anyone wanting to see a rematch with Ben getting some payback I have started on one...may be while before I get it finished tho' (too much seasonal cheer and morning afters to contend with atm).

 

[Malus]

Strength Level: The Hulk possesses superhuman strength of the Class 100 level, enabling him to lift (press) in excess of 100 tons. The Hulk only attains this strength level when he is enraged. In a totally, calm state his functional strength is significantly less, perhaps in the 70 ton range. In human form Bruce Banner possesses the normal human strength of a man of his age, height, and build who engages in no regular exercise.

Strength Level: The Thing possesses superhuman strength, enabling him to lift (press) 85 tons. The Thing's strength grew considerably over the initial years of his career. At one early point in his life as the Thing, for example, he could only lift (press) 5 tons.


Depends on how pissed Hulk is. If he's trying to fight, then Thing gets taken down. If he's just chilling, then The Thing has the upper hand.

That assumption is entirely based on strength levels. Hulk may be at his mightiest when enraged, but if he's like most people I know, the madder he gets the stupider and more careless he also gets. But Ben Grimm keeps his composure (and humor) under just about any circumstances, including battling an enraged Hulk.
It's always been a draw in the past, but under the right circumstances, I give Ben the edge. The only time Hulk ever defeated him outright was when Ben was distracted by Alicia's concerned voice in FF #112.

Personally, I don't think we'll ever get a definitive outcome on this one.

 

[Vartha]

hehehe I personally Can't wait to see Hank pym pee his pants when Hulk returns, cuz that's when the real THOR returns at the end of WWH.

 

[Franklin Richards]

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Wow, in all those representations of the Thing, spanning decades...from the 60's, to the 70's, to the 80's, 90's and into the 2000's...I'm noticing a prominent characteristic...kind of like how you can look at a thousand different Batman's, from the 40's, to the smiling 50's, to the campy TV show, to the Neal Adams 70's, to Frank Miller in the 80's, the Michael Keaton, the Val Kilmer, the animated show or the Christian Bale and always see some version of the little pointy Bat-Ears......

Hmmm.....he's always orange, rocky-looking...and, there's something else...what is it?