Third Film Curse: Victims and Conquerers

[SpiderByte]

Ah, the famous 3rd film curse.
Victims:

Spider-Man (to an extent)

Batman

Superman (I think)

Conquerors:

Toy Story 3


Feel free to add/discuss.

 

[Catman]

Conquerors:
Goldfinger
The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
Return of the Jedi (despite its flaws it's not a bad movie)
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
Back to the Future, Part III (debatable)

 

[Jick]

Conqueror:
Lord of The Rings - Return Of The King
Toy Story 3
Star Wars III: Revenge of The Sith
These are the few I remember now, and I really think Rush Hour 3 deserves a spot, too.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Conquerors:

Revenge of the Sith - say what you want about the PT (I loved them all) this was easily the best of the series and arguably as great as the OT.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Conquerors:
Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
Return of the Pink Panther (depends on whether you count the Alan Arkin version as being official or not)
Die Hard with a Vengeance
The ones Catman listed (I agree with all five)

 

[livrule]

Conquerors:

Revenge of the Sith - say what you want about the PT (I loved them all) this was easily the best of the series and arguably as great as the OT.

I used to agree but the more I watch it the more it seems to disappoint me ...

The best of a very bad bunch.

 

[Ipodman]

I'm still going back and forth whether Bourne Identity or Ultimatum is better...

 

[Spider-Vader]

Conquerors:
Star Wars (Original & Prequel)
Indiana Jones
Toy Story
Die Hard
Back to the Future

 

[jmc]

As far as I'm concerned you can't count Return of the King due to the nature in which it was filmed, LOTR is essentially one movie divided into three 3-hours acts, they're all of equal footing more or less so to me that cancels ROTK out. In time much like the book, LOTR trilogy will be considered a single entity, in fact the trilogy was voted number one favourite film in a TV special down here a few years back.

 

[Ipodman]

As far as LOTR is concerned... it IS three separate films in the cinemas... and the third one DID win a Best Picture Oscar...

If we cancel out ROTK, then Back to the Future would be invalid also because Part 2 and 3 were filmed together right? Btw, I still prefer Part 1 over the rest by a huge margin.

 

[jmc]

As were the books at one stage but that changed, in time so will the films. Let's be honest, ROTK winning was for the whole series, not for that film, FOTR was the better movie of the series and frankly should have won for best picture. As far as I'm concerned BTTF 2 and 3 are invalid simply because they're not as good or even equal to film one.

 

[Sawyer]

Conqueror: Nolan's Batman 3.

 

[david icke]

I am probably the only person on here who prefers Batman Forever to the two Burton movies. I prefer it because the character of Bruce Wayne/Batman feels more like the comicbook version, and the Robin origin and relationship is well done. Also, Batman has a stronger presence throughout the film, and Carrey was a good Riddler. Two-Face was wasted though, but he got a damn good opening sequence and some good interplay here and there with Carrey.

Spider-man 3, is not as well made as the other two, but is still good enough to stand side by side with them.

Die Hard with a Vengence is the best DH movie apart from the 1st one.

Revenge of the Sith is , unsurprisingly the best of the prequels by a large margin, unsurprising because George put most of his original plan into that movie, whereas the other two were padded out with filler like the Podrace(he has said this himself).

Back to the Future III is very good, but not as good as the first two. I find BTTF II as enjoyable as the first one, but I do consider the first one the classic film of the series, while II is just a very good time travel movie.

IJ and the Last Crusade is not as good as the first two. The Connery/Ford interplay makes it a good film though, the movie is more slapstick and less scary than the first two, toned down a fair bit, so less effective. The Nazis seem more comedic in this, whereas in the first movie they felt like soldiers from a serious war movie.

The third Harry Potter movie is probably the best one, this is not surprising as the director is leagues above the Home alone guy.

 

[TheVileOne]

Conquerors:

The Bourne Ultimatum

Rocky 3

Victims:

Rambo 3

Scream 3

Halloween 3

The Matrix 3


How could all of you forget The Bourne Ultimatum?

 

[bullets]

victim
Jurassic Park 3
Scary Movie 3 ( I thought at least the first 2 were funny)
TMNT 3
Scream 3
Spider-man 3
X-Men 3
Terminator 3
Blade 3
Rambo 3
Home Alone 3
conquerers
Predators
Mission Impossible 3
Toy Story 3
The Bourne Ultimatum
Saw 3
Return of the Jedi
Harold Potter 3
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
Army of Darkness
Austin Powers 3 ( although I'm on the fence about it )
American Wedding
A Nightmare on Elm st : Dream Warriors
Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift (better than 2 fast 2 furious)
LOTR: Return of the King

 

[TheVileOne]

MI:3 tanked. It doesn't count.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Scream 3's not a victim. Despite it's killer's motives and backstory, the rest of it is a solid, funny slasher.

 

[SpiderByte]

Ah, BTTF. A timeless series if I ever saw one.

What about Transporter?

 

[Ipodman]

Ah, BTTF. A timeless series if I ever saw one.

What about Transporter?

Transporter 3 is pretty good...

 

[david icke]

MI:3 tanked. It doesn't count.

It's Box Office? I didn't know that, but who cares, I think we are talking creatively victorious here. I would have put it on my list if I had remembered it, it's my fav out of the series and the only one i have on dvd.

I agree with you on Rocky 3, I always forget that one in these kind of lists. Rocky 1 is the best of the series by far, but two is a bit of a let down, it's a bit of a drag, just ok.
3 was a blast, Hulk Hogan, MrT, great soundtrack, it rocked.

Star Trek 3: the Search for Spock was pretty good too. Much better than the long drawn out, boring first one.

 

[Jochimus]

Star Trek 3: the Search for Spock was pretty good too. Much better than the long drawn out, boring first one.

I'm partial to STIII myself (since it also happens to be the first Trek movie I saw in a theater), though I'd still say it's more victim than conqueror of the third movie curse since STII was arguably a better movie. Sure, it has some great moments and concepts (the theft and subsequent sacrifice of the Enterprise, McCoy carrying Spock's persona, the Promethean aspect of Project Genesis finally coming into play), but STIII is still lacking in a lot of places, too, and it shows - even at its best, it's really little more than the dot connector between STII and STIV, must as BTTFII is to Parts I and III.

And it's for that same reason that I've come to prefer BTTF Part III over Part II, all the way up to the end - I don't give a damn how silly everybody else thinks the flying train is. Honestly, was it GOING to come anywhere close to Part I? Were either of them? Zemeckis and Gale have maintained they never had any intention of making any sequels when they made the first one, and watching Parts II and III, I'm actually inclined to agree (Part II even more so).

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Halloween stayed pretty consistent, apart from the remakes which I HATE!

 

[david icke]

I'm partial to STIII myself (since it also happens to be the first Trek movie I saw in a theater), though I'd still say it's more victim than conqueror of the third movie curse since STII was arguably a better movie. Sure, it has some great moments and concepts (the theft and subsequent sacrifice of the Enterprise, McCoy carrying Spock's persona, the Promethean aspect of Project Genesis finally coming into play), but STIII is still lacking in a lot of places, too, and it shows - even at its best, it's really little more than the dot connector between STII and STIV, must as BTTFII is to Parts I and III.

And it's for that same reason that I've come to prefer BTTF Part III over Part II, all the way up to the end - I don't give a damn how silly everybody else thinks the flying train is. Honestly, was it GOING to come anywhere close to Part I? Were either of them? Zemeckis and Gale have maintained they never had any intention of making any sequels when they made the first one, and watching Parts II and III, I'm actually inclined to agree (Part II even more so).

I agree with you about STIII being a bit of a connecting part for the superior II and IV, there's nothing wrong with the movie per se, it's just not really got the epic feeling a movie like that should have.

I think BTTF II is more than a connective tissue though, it's a great time travel movie/thriller that actually manages to keep you on your seat through the whole of the movie, lots of tense moments, and a lot of fun, it's jam packed, unlike STIII.

 

[bullets]

It's Box Office? I didn't know that, but who cares, I think we are talking creatively victorious here. I would have put it on my list if I had remembered it, it's my fav out of the series and the only one i have on dvd.

I agree with you on Rocky 3, I always forget that one in these kind of lists. Rocky 1 is the best of the series by far, but two is a bit of a let down, it's a bit of a drag, just ok.
3 was a blast, Hulk Hogan, MrT, great soundtrack, it rocked.
.

Mission Impossible 3 was great for me and I can pretend MI2 doesn't exist. I'm hoping they make a fourth.

Rocky 3 , I should of put that on the list. The film was campy in the begining but Clubber Lang was greatness.

Scream 3's not a victim. Despite it's killer's motives and backstory, the rest of it is a solid, funny slasher.

It wasn't horrible but personally I just felt it didn't match up to the first two in some areas. I actually didnt mind the backstory so much as the scenes with the stab cast didnt work for me.

 

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