Discussion in 'DC Comics Films' started by Chris Wallace, Mar 23, 2006.
Anybody know why his name wasn't listed in the credits? Did he just not approve?
He had his name removed, because he didn't approve.
Trouble arose when producer Martin Poll and screenwriter Larry Cohen filed a lawsuit against 20th Century Fox, alleging that the film The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen plagiarized their script entitled Cast of Characters. Although the two scripts bear many similarities, most of them are elements that were added for the film and do not originate in Moore's comics. According to Moore, "they seemed to believe that the head of 20th Century Fox called me up and persuaded me to steal this screenplay, turning it into a comic book which they could then adapt back into a movie, to camouflage petty larceny." Moore testified in court hearings, a process so painful that he surmised he would have been better treated had he "molested and murdered a busload of ******ed children after giving them heroin." Fox's settlement of the case insulted Moore, who interpreted it as an admission of guilt.
Moore's reaction was to divorce himself from the film world: he would refuse to allow film adaptations of anything to which he owned full copyright. In cases where others owned the rights, he would withdraw his name from the credits and refuse to accept payment, instead requesting that the money go to his collaborators (i.e. the artists). This was the arrangement used for the film Constantine.
The last straw came when producer Joel Silver misquoted Moore at a press conference for the upcoming V for Vendetta, produced by Warner Brothers (which also owns DC Comics). Silver stated that producer Larry Wachowski had talked with Moore, and that "he [Moore] was very excited about what Larry had to say." Moore, who claims that he told Wachowski "I didn't want anything to do with films... I wasn't interested in Hollywood," demanded that DC and Warner Brothers issue a retraction and apology for Silver's "blatant lies." No retraction or apology appeared, and in response Moore announced his departure from Wildstorm/DC/Warner Bros. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: Dark Dossier, a hardcover graphic novel, will be his last work for the publisher. Future installments of LoEG will be published by Top Shelf Productions and Knockabout Comics. Moore has also stated that he wishes his name to be "Alan Smitheed" from comic work that he does not own.
That's a bit extreme, IMO.
so is his hair and beard...
What is? His reaction to 20th Century Fox settling out of court on LXG, or his reaction to WB not retracting Joel Silver's comment regarding Moore?
Don't act like Hollywood excretes 24kt gold turds
Well, fans and creators are shaking their heads at him.
Because he has the gall to have "a different opinion about something he created"?!
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No, just that it comes off as very pretentious.
I wouldn't call standing up for what you believe in pretentious. it would have been pretentious had he had these opinions and still taken his 12 silver pieces from WB.
If any one here had creacted a script, book, comic or whatever, for publishers/ producers to change the story beyond all recognition. you would be pissed off. pissed off enough to take no credit? pissed off enough to refuse hefty sums of money? pissed off enougn to threaten never to share your talent with anyone again?
i don't think so. just give the bloke some credit for standing100% by his feelings.
Alan Moore is brilliant, but he's also insane. Did he really expect the movie version to be verbatim of the novel? I read the novel and I think the movie is a great take on it.
All I'm saying is, if you have a bad experience w/one of your works crossing over into another medium, getting sour on the industry isn't the answer. There's always the option of-oh, getting more involved in future projects so that as much of your vision is preserved as possible. Did he even look at the script for "V", or talk-seriously talk-to anyone involved in the production before writing it off?
Yeah, he read the script. That's what turned him off to the movie.
See now I'm gonna have to read the GN & find out once & for all whether or not his vision was preserved.
It's pretentious because he act's like they did some horrible disservice to his story, but the underlying message and story is still there. And they didn't change it "beyond recognition". He flipped out about "eggy in a basket", gimme a break here.
As far as anything I ever made being "worked over", and not taking credit for it, Im an artist, scenic sculptor by trade, and I am mature and realistic enough to know that when my work has other hands touching it, it may not turned out the exact way I wanted it to. But I know I'll enjoy that paycheck, and the funding it allows me to do my own private work.
I can respect feelings and right to have an opinion, however I cannot respect turning your back and throwing your hands up in the air damning the ones because it's not a 100% translation. What Moore is doing is to me, as an Artist, the very definition of Pretentious. At least creators like Mike Mignola, J. O'Barr, Frank Miller, Dave Stevens, Bob Kane, and Stan Lee were on set to see translations of their characters with their own eyes.
All in all, it's just my opinion on all this.
The thing is, Alan Moore believes that he's said what he's had to say in his comics. He's a writer of comic books who has no interest in making film adaptations of his works. After the entire LXG situation with Fox, he wanted to be removed entirely from the process and have the money due him go to the artists involved.
He knows there's going to be movies made of the works that he doesn't have full ownership of. He wants nothing to do with them since he's not interested in making movies.
Why the **** is that a problem?
I can respect that, but it sounds like he's throwing hissy fits needlessly. I simply don't agree w/his viewpoint. Comics can & often do benefit from being made into movies, & I don't just mean money. Let's face it; a lot of us so-called serious comic fans were lured in by either a cartoon, a TV show or a movie. Multimedia shouldn't be viewed as a curse; it creates awareness of your creation & that can attract new readers.
His viewpoint is applying only to HIS WORKS. He's said what he had to say in his comics. He sees no need to go back and help out a movie adaptation. And some people are saying, "But we're making a movie based on your work. You have to help us because some other writer did when a movie was made that was based on his work." That has nothing to do with audience being lured in.
He doesn't have a right to complain if they changed things from the book that he didn't like. They offered him a chance to help them make it and he said no. If he doesn't like it, it's partially his fault and he needs to put up with it.
Bone up on your reading skills, and try my last post again...
I don't see what point you're trying to make. I didn't say that he had to help, just didn't have a right to complain about them changing his work if he didn't want to assist them. I don't see how listing the reasons he didn't want to help make the film makes my viewpoint any less valid.
I can see where Moore is coming from but I still think he's a jerk.
The point is- he's said what he wanted to say with the comic and has no intention of making a movie about it. He's moved on to write other comics.
Along comes a movie writer, who decides to write a movie version of one of Moore's comics. Why should Moore help with it?
I don't see what the problem is when a writer doesn't automatically love every movie adaption of his work.
Because it would stay truer to his original work and he wouldn't have to get mad about how they destroyed his story.