The Dark Knight Rises This Would Make an Awesome Batmobile!

[UA-Archangel]

I don't think that's it at all. They grew up with a streamlined Batmobile with wings, & comic fans are NOTORIOUS for being resistant to change. (Organic webbing, leather X-suits, black Kingpin-I could go on & on.) Now after all these years, I've come to prefer a wingless Batmobile as the wings serve no purpose & the bat-logos seem to depict vanity. But neither side is 100% right.

Not to mention that Batman is supposed to be stealthy and having such an obvious vehicle ruins that.

 

[Crook]

The Batmobile is the most obvious vehicle on the damn street. Can you tell me ANY Batmobile that can successfully blend in an urban environment?

If you're for the Tumbler, you're either not for a stealthy vehicle, or you're hypocritical. And let's please not bring up the "stealth" feature since every modern Batmobile has that. Not to mention it is rarely used anyway.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Not to mention that Batman is supposed to be stealthy and having such an obvious vehicle ruins that.

I brought that point up a few posts ago; but which are you referring to as obvious? The Tumbler or the traditional look?

 

[Chris Wallace]

The Batmobile is the most obvious vehicle on the damn street. Can you tell me ANY Batmobile that can successfully blend in an urban environment?

If you're for the Tumbler, you're either not for a stealthy vehicle, or you're hypocritical. And let's please not bring up the "stealth" feature since every modern Batmobile has that. Not to mention it is rarely used anyway.

I do see the Tumbler as a more tactical vehicle (don't try to tell other people what they think) but more importantly, as I said before, putting wings on something that doesn't fly is gratuitous & vain. That's time, money & resources that can be better put to reinforcing the vehicle itself, rather than wasting it on useless decorations. Hell, he might as well put fur all over it & put fangs in the girll if he's gonna do that.

 

[Crook]

I do see the Tumbler as a more tactical vehicle (don't try to tell other people what they think)

I'm pointing out the blatant double-standard behind the "I like the Tumbler, I don't want an obvious vehicle" opinion. It's absolutely hypocritical and I don't see how that can be argued. It's the equivalent of remarking how a tank is inconspicuous.

but more importantly, as I said before, putting wings on something that doesn't fly is gratuitous & vain. That's time, money & resources that can be better put to reinforcing the vehicle itself, rather than wasting it on useless decorations. Hell, he might as well put fur all over it & put fangs in the girll if he's gonna do that.

I don't see the point of bringing this up to me, especially after you at least conceded my preference for a Batmobile isn't remotely as outrageous and ridiculous as what you're imagining.

 

[DeaDheaD]

So now we don't like the Tumbler? I thought it had flaps(wings, if you will) that opened before his "rampant jump"........the only thing I would change would be how Batman gets in and out of the Tumbler, he's completely exposed unless he always shows up like he did at the parking garage in TDK.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I'm pointing out the blatant double-standard behind the "I like the Tumbler, I don't want an obvious vehicle" opinion. It's absolutely hypocritical and I don't see how that can be argued. It's the equivalent of remarking how a tank is inconspicuous.


I don't see the point of bringing this up to me, especially after you at least conceded my preference for a Batmobile isn't remotely as outrageous and ridiculous as what you're imagining.

That part wasn't really directed at you.

 

[UA-Archangel]

I do see the Tumbler as a more tactical vehicle (don't try to tell other people what they think) but more importantly, as I said before, putting wings on something that doesn't fly is gratuitous & vain. That's time, money & resources that can be better put to reinforcing the vehicle itself, rather than wasting it on useless decorations. Hell, he might as well put fur all over it & put fangs in the girll if he's gonna do that.

I do like the Tumbler, because it symbolizes to the Underworld that Batman is an overwhelming force and if you see it, better scat.

I also like it, because I share Nolan's interpretation of who Batman really should be, that being this really angry guy who is going to hurt you if you're out to hurt others.

Batman really shouldn't be about flash and bling-bling.

 

[IceVenom]

The tumbler was great, but each movie is gonna bring an evolution of sorts. Its the way Nolan has set it up.

BB has the beginning usage of theatrics and mob bosses for villains

TDK changed the way a criminal is adding even more theatrics and gadgets.

BB3 will do the same, adding more theatrical freak like criminals and more gadgets.

It looks like Batman's vehicle will evolve as well into a more traditional looking batman.

I would prefer a smooth transition. Something like the concept above that blends the tumbler and a more traditional batman mobile. I also predict the new wayne manor and Batcave introduction.

Nolan has just done such a great job setting the movies up. Its like he planned for plenty of batman movies and hasn't rushed any concepts, yet if they decided to never make another batman movie after tdk, it would still hold its own and be timeless.

 

[Chris Wallace]

It would have to be a smooth transition. A radical switch would be met with all kinds of outrage from fans, I guarantee it. It'd be like putting him in the Adam West suit out of the blue.

 

[UA-Archangel]

It would have to be a smooth transition. A radical switch would be met with all kinds of outrage from fans, I guarantee it. It'd be like putting him in the Adam West suit out of the blue.

I think most fans, now that Nolan has had two movies that the uber-fan can respect, will cut Nolan a break for the third movie.

We know that Nolan is going to respect the franchise and any surprises or unknowns are going to be pleasent ones.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Nolan has the fans' trust, because he has earned it. That doesn't mean he can throw us a curve ball & we'll all just roll with it. Not that I expect he will.

 

[Melkay]

And the cape? Shurikens?

A black cape is FUNCTIONAL ("today is base jumping") and adds fear effect for is wings-like form. It makes harder for the enemy to define the shape of the body and being dark and not reflective, it's actually better for hiding in the shadows by covering the armor. And the shurikens are TOO functional... Batman uses weapons that do not kill, and therefore he doesn't use guns. He was trained in ninja weapons and that's why he uses the shurikens. It's functional and can be easily taken by a criminal (Batman Begins)... that's why it keeps the shape. It's sending the message of his presence.

You have a narrow definition of stylization. It does not at all necessitate pleasantness or any of that goody-goody stuff. Schumacher's Gotham is an example of stylization on one end that looks crazy and non-threatening. His Batmobiles represent that as well. Burton's Gotham is on the other side of that spectrum. Would you consider his city pleasant looking?

Oh, yeah, very. It's dark but romantic and has lots of visual designs in his buildings that are only for ornamental uses: art deco, gargoyles.... What is funny that Burton's CAR was VERY stylized and VERY non-threatening.., when you compare it to the Tumbler.
Or, coming back to the city, which was more pleasant looking? Burton's Gotham?... or the Narrows?

No, I said it's functionality was faithful to the books. I still want a car that looks like a Batmobile.

But the Tumbler reflects Batman's methods and persona MORE than the original batmobile... why then?

I am not talking about the inside because that has nothing to do with the Batmobile's outer appearance. And I already mentioned the turbines as one of the things Nolan succcessfully adapted.

We never said Outer, and you should’ve given me the turbines point, I was just listing, not saying what you failed to mention.

Those seemed pretty final? They never happened and obviously never will because they went completely in another direction.

You're averting the point here. While BB saved the car, TDK didn't. As per the original plan, the Batmobile is destroyed. Instead of occurring in the first film, it's delayed to happen in the second. Not at all comparable to your examples.

That’s still no proof whatsoever that they’re bringing another one. You’re presuming that they’re sticking to the original plan, when original ideas have been canceled several times already. If Nolan decided to keep the Tumbler in TDK, now that Goyer’s not in the franchise and he has the TDK’s successful box-office numbers to support him, what prevents him with doing again what he prefers and actually keeping the Tumbler?

I've already responded to you in the recast thread a few days ago. It's your turn to reply.

Haha, god, you know I’ve replied to each one of your posts? Even quoted them, not missing a single sentence?
Self-denial is not bad at all, but it’s a dead end for debates.

The only reason why people are still bringing her up, is because of the comparisons with Maggie. If Rachel were not in TDK, we wouldn't even be hearing about Katie's name at all.

Or so you think. If TDK still had proven how better it was as a movie, lots of people would blame the character of Rachel and Holmes’ acting as one of the main reasons of that difference. Gyllenhall proved that it had nothing to do with the character and all with the actress. That’s why people are still talking about Holmes… she was proven to be a liability.

There is nothing here to be proven wrong on. You are free to check my posts on the subject. I was an advocate of permawhite because I believe it to be the best representation of the character. I never said a thing about it deterring from Ledger's performance or how the character was to be written (given he had no origin). So no, not wrong. I didn't put myself in a place where I was going to be wrong nor right.

And yet, this is the case. You’re not arguing that the batmobile would be bad for the movie and its representation… you’re arguing that is a bad idea to stray away from the original source. The Batmobile ain’t like the Joker, and it shouldn’t be…
But… why change what is RIGHT already. You don’t like it, I get it, but you didn’t like the white make-up either, and yet you admitted that it wouldn’t hurt neither the interpretation nor the dramaturgy of the movie… so how is that different from this?

Do you need a dictionary?

Building means to form, to create, to construct. What the hell do you think designing is? Do not flatter yourself to think I'm grasping at anything to hold a discussion with you.

Design…
–verb (used with object) 1. to prepare the preliminary sketch or the plans for (a work to be executed), esp. to plan the form and structure of: to design a new bridge.
2. to plan and fashion artistically or skillfully.
3. to intend for a definite purpose: a scholarship designed for foreign students.
4. to form or conceive in the mind; contrive; plan: The prisoner designed an intricate escape.
–verb (used without object) 7. to make drawings, preliminary sketches, or plans.
8. to plan and fashion the form and structure of an object, work of art, decorative scheme, etc. –verb (used with object) 1. to prepare the preliminary sketch or the plans for (a work to be executed), esp. to plan the form and structure of: to design a new bridge.
2. to plan and fashion artistically or skillfully.
3. to intend for a definite purpose: a scholarship designed for foreign students.
4. to form or conceive in the mind; contrive; plan: The prisoner designed an intricate escape.
5. to assign in thought or intention; purpose: He designed to be a doctor.
6. Obsolete. to mark out, as by a sign; indicate.
–verb (used without object) 7. to make drawings, preliminary sketches, or plans.
8. to plan and fashion the form and structure of an object, work of art, decorative scheme, etc.

It’s never to create, but to plan the creation… only to create the idea, but not the object. Semantics? Not really. There’s a vast difference there.
It’s in moments like this that I feel like a bully. I hate those moments.

There have been several Batmobiles, and yet DKR is the only example people can bring up that looks anything like the Tumbler (which it doesn't, asides from the tires). Not exactly very convincing that Tumbler is faithful to the look of the car.

It’s NOT very faithful. The most common and traditional batmobile has nothing to do with the Tumbler. And, ironically, as many here have pointed out… nothing to do with Batman either.

You've described the Tumbler. That doesn't need to apply to a Batmobile, and it never has.

And yet you failed to miss the very obvious point… I was describing the Tumbler… AND Batman. Not the batmobile. It’s the best point for keeping the Tumbler… the traditional batmobiles do not reflect Batman’s nature as Nolan’s vehicle has.
Purism is a very tricky thing… not everything in the comics has been created for a good and sound reason… Robin is the most common example.

I'm not arguing that the vehicles Nolan made look interesting and fit thematically. But I also don't think that would be the only means of bringing the Batmobile to life. You seem to think I want a Lamborghini-like car or something very very sports-flashy. That is incorrect. I'm completely against that idea as you can see in my very first post of this thread.

So… you want to bring a modified Tumbler… but not a Batmobile… interesting. And you call everybody else here hypocritical? What’s the point? I’ve already seen that sketch that you proposed… why do you want to make that? Is obviously shaped to be slower, it’s more tank-like, less stealth…. And EVEN less shaped like a bat.

What are the Tumbler qualities that you’re trying to improve with THAT?

Hmmm…

Take a thing into consideration… giving it a stealth quality AND making it deliver the message: “Batman is here!” is a contradictory thing…. The most stealth car is a Ford, not a bat-shaped and flashy black car, which in turn would be the most faithful of the two.
And a with your sketch your actually OVERPLAYING the things that you’re complaining about the Tumbler.

Sorry, you don’t get to call anyone hypocritical by those standards. Go somewhere to meditate.

I do not want a Batmobile to look like any other modified car around. I want it to stand on it's own as Batman's car, and no one else's. I want it to keep a more traditional design ala long body and maybe hints of fin-like structures at the back. That doesn't mean I don't want it to look other-wordly or intimidating. Quite the opposite.

The Tumbler achieved that, except the traditional look… want to know why? Because the traditional look just says: “This is a superhero’s car” instead “This is Batman’s car”… the Tumbler reflects Batman’s nature more… plus, it’s more plausible and has a better origin.

Once again, I don’t know who’s being hypocritical here. Maybe you’re just contradicting yourself.

 

[crazyrabbits]

http://flickr.com/photos/stasiuwong/2356916244/

Nah. Part of the reason why the Tumbler is so cool is that it's incredibly durable. I couldn't imagine that vehicle smashing into a garbage truck at full speed, and not only surviving, but totalling the vehicle it just drove into.

That car in the photo, while sleek, would rip apart like tinfoil if it crashed into another vehicle. I'm all for reinvention, but if they keep the Tumbler, that's fine by me. That's my take, for what it's worth.

 

[Chris Wallace]

It doesn't look very durable; it says to me that it would crumple at the first real impact. I got this same impression of the Kilmer & Clooney-mobiles.

 

[Melkay]

It doesn't look very durable; it says to me that it would crumple at the first real impact. I got this same impression of the Kilmer & Clooney-mobiles.

Hmm, maybe you don't see it... but the thing DID smash a garbage truck (and drove under it... and lifted it up and the collision) and went through a road division of cement in Begins. And even managed to launch the batpod after getting blown-up by a RMD. Durable? Holy f***ing durable, the way I saw it.

The Burton-mobile? Well, it got hijacked and blown up way more severely than the Tumbler. But Burton didn't really care about his vehicles... after all, the Bat-plane crashed because of a "really long gun" shot.

At least Nolan doesn't make his vehicles disposable.

 

[Chris Wallace]

No, no, no-I meant the proposed design from this thread, not the Tumbler. I wouldn't ever compare the Tumbler to the car that Penguin easily hacked into, & which Batman was able to punch through-nor the other 2.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

how about something like this...

...only in black

edit: http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8252/image2zl5.jpg

 

[Fitzwilliam]

At least Nolan doesn't make his vehicles disposable.

Apart from the Tumbler, the Lamborghini, the Truck, hundreds of cars, swat trucks, police cars, school bus, helicopter, trains, boats, you have a point.

 

[Chris Wallace]

how about something like this...

...only in black

edit: http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8252/image2zl5.jpg

Maybe. It's not a bad starting point.

 

[Hole Shot]

I think the Batmobile should be Prius and the Bat-pod a bicycle that he keeps on the Batmobile's roof racks. It will send a better message to kids about green living.

 

[Chris Wallace]

 

[Chris Wallace]

 

[Steelsheen]

http://flickr.com/photos/stasiuwong/2356916244/

I like it, but I love the Tumbler more. Reminds me os "The Batman" cartoon This looks like a car Bruce Wayne could ride. However...

this looks sweet! very not like the Tumbler, but if this be the last movie we need to have the Batmobile looking a lot more sophisticated than a miniaturized tank.

 

[Chris Wallace]

It's unlikely that they'll go that route.