Age of Ultron Thor should be more powerful!!

[Vartha]

I really don't get why people struggle to grasp this!

Thor in the films is an alien from Asgard, who is equivalent super-human. He can't be too strong because otherwise, what's the point?

The thing is those of us Who DO understand this concept want to see where the myths were misunderstood by our ancestors.
I mean Fiege even said we will never See Hulk jump the way we see him in the comics, where he jumps half way across a state.
I can see a toned down Thor (compared to the comics) but he shouldn't be toned down to Human standards, or even more to Cap's level.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

But he's far more powerful than Cap. Could Cap hammer a wedge of Chitauri armour plating into the dragon thing and kill it? Even if he could pick up Myur Myur I doubt he'd have the strength. I also severely doubt Cap could go toe-to-toe with Hulk, or even Iron Man. Take his shield away and he is just quite strong, whereas Thor could still hold his own

 

[metaphysician]

Honestly, Thor is plenty powerful enough in the MCU in fact. He just needs more scenes that give him a chance to show off.

 

[BoredGuy]

^ What that guy said.

 

[Loki882]

If anything, I'd say that is power level isn't the problem so much as his fighting style. In the movies, he just kind of hits things. There's no real technique or tactical nature to how he fights. Since he's supposed to be a warrior prince with over a thousand years of combat experience, this sticks out. He should have a better fighting style than just "hit things until they fall down." Ironically, the best fight scene in terms of showing off Thor's skill was that scene where he (while depowered) beat up all of those SHIELD agents. Why can't they do more like that for him when he has his powers? Heck, people complained about Cap's fighting style in TFA and TA, then we get to TWS an he's uber-badass martial arts guy.

 

[Loki882]

The thing is those of us Who DO understand this concept want to see where the myths were misunderstood by our ancestors.
I mean Fiege even said we will never See Hulk jump the way we see him in the comics, where he jumps half way across a state.
I can see a toned down Thor (compared to the comics) but he shouldn't be toned down to Human standards, or even more to Cap's level.

I'm sorry, but anyone trying to argue that MCU Cap is even close to being on Thor's level is just silly. Thor was pretty much the only Avenger who didn't seem to be getting tired or injured after fighting the Chitauri. They even managed to take the Hulk down temporarily, but Thor was still going strong. Thor was taking Iron Man's armor apart like it was tin-foil. Cap, blocked one blow from Thor's hammer using a shield that's supposed to be nearly unbreakable. There's no comparison, Thor could squash Cap like a bug if he wanted to. Heck, Loki was throwing Cap around like a rag-doll and he's nowhere near as strong as Thor.

 

[Rock Sexton]

If anything, I'd say that is power level isn't the problem so much as his fighting style. In the movies, he just kind of hits things. There's no real technique or tactical nature to how he fights. Since he's supposed to be a warrior prince with over a thousand years of combat experience, this sticks out. He should have a better fighting style than just "hit things until they fall down." Ironically, the best fight scene in terms of showing off Thor's skill was that scene where he (while depowered) beat up all of those SHIELD agents. Why can't they do more like that for him when he has his powers? Heck, people complained about Cap's fighting style in TFA and TA, then we get to TWS an he's uber-badass martial arts guy.

Exactly. They need to grow his abilities. Can't go another movie simply watching his hammer get thrown and then have it fly back to him, along with a few scattered punch/kicks.

 

[jaqua99]

Honestly, on a technical note.... I don't think the MCU version of Thor is weak at all.

I believe that it's just a matter of "how" his powers have been presented on screen that have given the impression to some that he is "weak".

Likes others have said, when Thor fought against Iron Man and the Hulk, he was holding back. He didn't fight either of them with the intent to kill. The fact that he could rip off Iron Man's mask like tin foil (as shown when he has to remove Iron Man's mask in order to check up on his condition at the end of the New York City battle) but chose not to, clearly shows that he could really take out Iron Man if he really wanted to.

And in regards to Hulk, keep in mind that Thor's intent was to contain the damage that the Hulk was causing in his rampage. Thor had no intention in fighting Hulk in a battle to the death. The fact that Thor didn't even try to use any of his lightning attacks shows that as well.

Thor also took out two of those flying dragon creatures within the Avengers as well, and he was like the only one that wasn't placed in a position where he was getting the short end of the stick when going up against the Chitauri.

Everyone else were pushed to their breaking points where they were all being ganged up and nearly tied down. However, Thor was like the only one to hold onto his own still.

Honestly, it's just a matter of case where the people in charge of Thor, within the MCU, need to be more creative in both how they write and present his powers on screen.

It's really not that different from the comics. USUALLY in Avengers comics Thor is toned down. To an extent (though not as much recently, which is awesome)

The same thing happened in the movie. But really looking at it, Hulk was the wow factor, but I think Whedon made it kind of clear that Thor is really the trump card for the Avengers.

Uuuh... that hurt.

I don't know what your problem is. I don't care. But I'm sure that the other users are not very much interested in reading a hundred postings or so about a pointless dispute.

You said something about Thor's power level in comparison to Hulk's power level. That statement was wrong. The comics say something different. I took the liberty of informing you about that fact. That's the whole story. Obviously you are one of those guys who can't stand being criticized. Who cares? That's your problem. As I said, no one wants to read such stuff. So take my advice and stop embarrassing yourself any further.

I won't discuss that with you any further. Sorry. That's not what this forum ist about.

In his defense, rarely has thor cut loose against the Hulk in the comics. Generally, and I speak generally, a normal hulk fighting a normal thor, going all out, I would imagine Thor takes him more often than not. I mean, look at their fights against the Surfer. I can't recall the surfer ever really getting the better of thor, and the surfer usually handles Hulk.

But this isn't a battle forum, so I rest. :P

It's not even just Cap. We've routinely see IM's fighting abilities and major feats of heroism upped with every movie.

The more I think about it, the more it appears like Thor has gotten the "cosmic bodyguard" treament. Usually bodyguards are huge and could break you open over their knee, but they always have to maintain a degree of self-restraint in order to prevent lawsuits.

If I really sit and think about it the most badass fighting he's done took place in Jotunheim and we've seen him in 2 movies since. We got to see him take on all those Jotuns by himself. We saw that big blast that darn near leveled everything in sight. We saw him chart right through the Jotunheim beast. I really can't recall moments that have topped that.

Btw, IMO they really do not take enough advantage of his flying abilities.

[YT]p-BNpS63KI4[/YT]

Agree 100%. In fact, that scene from the Thor movie flies under the radar. That scene fighting the frost giants was the biggest display of power we've seen in the MCU.

Kind of far and away too.

 

[Incredible Hans]

In his defense, rarely has thor cut loose against the Hulk in the comics. Generally, and I speak generally, a normal hulk fighting a normal thor, going all out, I would imagine Thor takes him more often than not. I mean, look at their fights against the Surfer. I can't recall the surfer ever really getting the better of thor, and the surfer usually handles Hulk.

Let's say superhero X defeats superhero Y.

And superhero Y defeats superhero Z.

That doesn't necessarily mean that X defeats Z.

Surfer has good chances against Hulk because he can control all kinds of radiation. So he is able take the gamma radiation from the Hulk, turning him back into Bruce Banner. He cannot do something similar to Thor. So what does that tell us about how a fight between Thor and Hulk will end? Nothing.

Here's a guy who analysed Thor/Hulk battles from the comics that weren't interrupted or broken off... that is, battles that had a deceisive winner:

http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulksmashes.html

Here's his conclusion:
"WINNER: And most decisively... Hulk, SCORE: Hulk 5, Thor 2"
(http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk2001-3.html)

 

[Loki882]

The thing with Hulk of course is that he gets stronger the angrier that he gets, and the more that you fight him, the angrier that he gets. So trying to fight him is pretty much the worst thing that you could possibly do, it only makes him stronger. The longer the fight goes on, the more and more that the Hulk starts to gain the advantage.

 

[yllum]

Exactly. They need to grow his abilities. Can't go another movie simply watching his hammer get thrown and then have it fly back to him, along with a few scattered punch/kicks.

Yes!! This!

I think having more variety in term of his fighting is key! There would certainly be the element of surprise!! Audience will go "wow thor can do thay! "

 

[Stringer]

Thor stringing together some actual combos with and without the hammer would be a start.

 

[Loki882]

Like he did when he didn't have powers and was still plowing through SHIELD agents like it was nothing.

 

[melvintwj]

But he's far more powerful than Cap. Could Cap hammer a wedge of Chitauri armour plating into the dragon thing and kill it? Even if he could pick up Myur Myur I doubt he'd have the strength. I also severely doubt Cap could go toe-to-toe with Hulk, or even Iron Man. Take his shield away and he is just quite strong, whereas Thor could still hold his own

Well when Blonsky took a super soldier serum in TIH, he pretty much ran circles around the Hulk. I believe Captain is able to do the same, but being the humble man he is, he wouldn't even attempt to, maybe?

 

[terry78]

Basically you have to nerf Thor in a lot of media because he'd become a deus ex machina.

 

[metaphysician]

Well when Blonsky took a super soldier serum in TIH, he pretty much ran circles around the Hulk. I believe Captain is able to do the same, but being the humble man he is, he wouldn't even attempt to, maybe?

Its more that, so you can run circles around the Hulk. This. . . doesn't actually achieve you anything if you can't hurt him in any way.

That said, it shouldn't really ever be necessary for Cap to fight the Hulk, since he's now one of the good guys, and should remain so.

 

[melvintwj]

Its more that, so you can run circles around the Hulk. This. . . doesn't actually achieve you anything if you can't hurt him in any way.

That said, it shouldn't really ever be necessary for Cap to fight the Hulk, since he's now one of the good guys, and should remain so.

Well the way I see it, running around the Hulk without letting him touch you is pretty darn amazing for a human (and, even a superhuman). He can't exactly go "toe-to-toe" with the Hulk of course. Remove his shield, he's still one of the best fighters around, and a professional strategist. Hey, he's the captain!

 

[terry78]

Hulk is said to be pretty fast and have pretty decent reaction time. Only ones that can really avoid him are Spider-Man and guys in that level.

 

[Loki882]

Yeah, Blonsky ran circles around the Hulk, and then one kick from the Hulk broke every bone in his body and put him in the hospital.

 

[Herolee10]

I'm actually just more concerned about how involved Thor is going to be with the plot rather than how powerful he'll be portrayed as.

So far, Thor is like the ONLY Avenger where we have seen NOTHING for from the all of the spy photos that we've gotten.

We've seen the Hulk Statue/Figure that was used at the start of production (along with a concept art of him going at it against a Hulkbuster), we've seen the Iron Man Armor show up on set, we've seen photos of Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Captain America in action.

But as for Thor, we've seen absolutely nothing for in regards to the character.

And what's worse is that all of his scenes are going to only be shot in London, which I'm assuming is both on location and inside the studios. If that's the case, then we know he won't be traveling nearly as much as the other Avengers.

Frankly, I'm afraid that he'll be the one getting the original "Hawkeye" treatment this time around, which really sucks since he didn't have much of a good outing in his last solo film due to bad writing, editing, and Loki taking up too much of the spotlight.

 

[samwise]

Interesting thread.

Another thing---is Thor bulletproof?

Even in comics, he always swings his hammer to deal with bullets.

I'm assuming he is because:
1) Loki in Avengers movie is - and Thor is heaps stronger than Loki
2) Weaker heros in comics are bulletproof - Wonder Man, Thing, Luke Cage etc

 

[melvintwj]

Yeah, Blonsky ran circles around the Hulk, and then one kick from the Hulk broke every bone in his body and put him in the hospital.

He went right to his face and taunted him.
"...Is that all you got?"
He's not the man of steel, but he sure has balls of steel. And that kick didn't even kill him. That's bloody impressive.

@samwise
Interesting thought. I don't think we've really seen him deal with bullets though. I'm assuming he is based on the fact that he withstood a unibeam + 2 repulsor rays at 400% power.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

If Thor is gonna just be there for action scenes he should get the coolest action scenes otherwise he is pointless. Think of it like Legolas in the original LOTR films, not a lot of lines, not a lot of character development but he had most of the best action scenes especially in the latter two films.

As for bulletproofness will he should be, someone who has received several punches by the Hulk, Kurse, taken blasts by IM, smashed into the ground after falling from the hellicarrier should be able to take bullets like nothing.

I dunno if Loki actually took bullets or it was his armor, Sif's armor took a shotgun bullet from like a foot away in AoS

 

[guy66657]

Interesting thread.

Another thing---is Thor bulletproof?

Even in comics, he always swings his hammer to deal with bullets.

I'm assuming he is because:
1) Loki in Avengers movie is - and Thor is heaps stronger than Loki
2) Weaker heros in comics are bulletproof - Wonder Man, Thing, Luke Cage etc

Haha, and yet Thor can still get stabbed by a dagger. Unless it's like....some enchanted dagger or something.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Haha, and yet Thor can still get stabbed by a dagger. Unless it's like....some enchanted dagger or something.

Yeah but he barely even flinched, just pulled it out and went back to work