Age of Ultron Thor should be more powerful!!

[Ghostcrow13]

People are blowing he isn't powerful out of proportion, it's more like we have yet to see all his powers and he hasn't done anything mind blowing yet.

But has he been hurt yet? No, he has fought a 400% IM the Hulk Kurse Malekith (with Aether), been stabbed by an Asgardian dagger fallen thousands of feet to the ground and has barely broken a sweat, he was the only one not struggling at some point in the final battle in New York. He defeated the destroyer in about 5 seconds defeated loads of Frost Giants and he clearly spent between the Avengers and Thor 2 cleaning up the 9 realms.

 

[yllum]

He went right to his face and taunted him.
"...Is that all you got?"
He's not the man of steel, but he sure has balls of steel. And that kick didn't even kill him. That's bloody impressive.

on a sidenote. it means that cap will survive that kick too right? did the mcu show cap having enchanced healing?

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Enhanced healing is pretty much a given

 

[Brian Braddock]

There was a concerted effort [which is obvious to anyone who has watched the movie but Evans has actually confirmed it in interviews] to amp up Cap's fighting prowess [strength and agility etc] in the Winter Soldier. So successful was this effort that I then went and re-watched the Avengers and realised that Cap in the Avengers wasnt really depicted that impressively, action-wise [actually, Cap in The First Avenger was more impressive that the Cap in the Avengers].

Now, I would go so far as to say that the Avengers similiarly short-changed Thor [as they did have him going toe-to-toe with Hulk] but if I'm honest I dont think we've seen Thor given a feat worthy of the power that we know he should have, especially when you watch what Superman does in Man of Steel.

 

[melvintwj]

@yllum
It is unclear if the serum used on Rogers and Blonsky are the same. I'm thinking they are similar, but different (formula?). It's really hard to say if Capt is able to take that kind of impact/blow. Again, I'm under the assumption he can.

@Brian Braddock
Good point right there! Thor was strong in TA, but it wasn't up to (my) expectation. Like you mentioned, when I first watched MOS, I was disappointed that Thor in the MCU didn't have that kind of action scenes. We can feel the strength of MOS from the way he tanked the weaponry firing at him, and him doing all the heavy lifting.

 

[TheVision]

I thought the Super Soldier serum was given to Blonsky, hence him having Caps powers (fast running, healing ability etc). There was one difference, there was no Vita Ray treatment like Cap had. Not sure if that takes any side effects away.

An interesting thing about how Caps abilities were portrayed in FA and in TA. That may have been done on purpose as they wanted to give him a more 1940s related simple fighting style (closer to boxers like John Sullivan etc). After he was woken up in the late 2000s (following the Battle of NY) he would be trained in modern fighting by the best agents, thats why we see him using the Parkour and fast Bourne Identity type moves. At least that gives a reason why hes not as fast/skilled in FA/TA and it makes sense so you can watch em without it being a negative.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Having nothing else to do today, I decided to watch the Incredible Hulk again to see Blonsky in action, he did nothing I wouldn't expect Cap to be able to do vs Hulk a couple of dodges and a flip. He was hardly running circles around him.

 

[melvintwj]

Having nothing else to do today, I decided to watch the Incredible Hulk again to see Blonsky in action, he did nothing I wouldn't expect Cap to be able to do vs Hulk a couple of dodges and a flip. He was hardly running circles around him.

Hahaha I didn't mean running circles in a literal sense, if that's what you thought I meant. Hulk was obviously trying, but Blonsky was all over the place and Hulk just couldn't touch him.

Time to get back on track anyways. Let's talk about the mighty Thor

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Hahaha I didn't mean running circles in a literal sense, if that's what you thought I meant. Hulk was obviously trying, but Blonsky was all over the place and Hulk just couldn't touch him.

Time to get back on track anyways. Let's talk about the mighty Thor

I meant it in the sense you meant it But yeah back to moaning Thor has yet to destroy a planet in any of the films

 

[Vartha]

There was a concerted effort [which is obvious to anyone who has watched the movie but Evans has actually confirmed it in interviews] to amp up Cap's fighting prowess [strength and agility etc] in the Winter Soldier. So successful was this effort that I then went and re-watched the Avengers and realised that Cap in the Avengers wasnt really depicted that impressively, action-wise [actually, Cap in The First Avenger was more impressive that the Cap in the Avengers].

Now, I would go so far as to say that the Avengers similiarly short-changed Thor [as they did have him going toe-to-toe with Hulk] but if I'm honest I dont think we've seen Thor given a feat worthy of the power that we know he should have, especially when you watch what Superman does in Man of Steel.

With how excited Evans talks about playing Cap, you wouldn't think he would back out of the part.

 

[Vartha]

Haha, and yet Thor can still get stabbed by a dagger. Unless it's like....some enchanted dagger or something.

yes Loki's daggers are enchanted, made of URU like Thor's hammer. He was throwing daggers made of LIGHT in the Thor movie.

Not sure why he jumped out of the way when the Jet was firing on Hulk in the Hellicarrier tho. nobody ever said.

 

[Tony Stark]

There was a concerted effort [which is obvious to anyone who has watched the movie but Evans has actually confirmed it in interviews] to amp up Cap's fighting prowess [strength and agility etc] in the Winter Soldier. So successful was this effort that I then went and re-watched the Avengers and realised that Cap in the Avengers wasnt really depicted that impressively, action-wise [actually, Cap in The First Avenger was more impressive that the Cap in the Avengers].

Now, I would go so far as to say that the Avengers similiarly short-changed Thor [as they did have him going toe-to-toe with Hulk] but if I'm honest I dont think we've seen Thor given a feat worthy of the power that we know he should have, especially when you watch what Superman does in Man of Steel.

I know what you are saying, and I noticed it too. I still love Avengers, but TWS really made cap a soldier in every sense of the word. It's kind of the Jason Bourne thing, where the fighting is so rapid and amped up, you know it takes a special person to fight like that.

I really want to see this for all the characters. The best figting moment for me with Thor was in the first one when he was taking on all the frost giants. We got to see him display a multitude of powers, although I did like the scene of he and Hulk fighting the Chitauri on the back of the dragon thing.


I disagree about Man of Steel though. I thought that was done horribly. It just looked fake. I understand they are trying to figure out what a god like indestructible being would do, but MoS was just too over the top.

Winter Soldier was the perfect example of how to do fight scenes with the quick pace editing, and close up to the action to give it gravity. There was a great piece on CBS morning news where they were showing some of the stunt work on TWS. When you see Cap kick Bucky back into that SUV, the stunt man literally dented the SUV, that's not CGI or any camera trickery. They used a pully to pull him backwards but the stunt man was pulled back so hard it dented the car.

 

[metaphysician]

Interesting thread.

Another thing---is Thor bulletproof?

Even in comics, he always swings his hammer to deal with bullets.

I'm assuming he is because:
1) Loki in Avengers movie is - and Thor is heaps stronger than Loki
2) Weaker heros in comics are bulletproof - Wonder Man, Thing, Luke Cage etc

Yes, he's bulletproof, outside of one freaky weird incident that was probably an art error.

 

[metaphysician]

Haha, and yet Thor can still get stabbed by a dagger. Unless it's like....some enchanted dagger or something.

An Asgardian dagger wielded by a super strong opponent. Not really indicative, unless you hold the weird view that durability is all-or-nothing.

 

[metaphysician]

on a sidenote. it means that cap will survive that kick too right? did the mcu show cap having enchanced healing?

I'd say so, yes. He might even do a little better, as in when he hits the tree, he might still be capable of saying something and making a failed struggle to try and get up before losing consciousness.

 

[metaphysician]

yes Loki's daggers are enchanted, made of URU like Thor's hammer. He was throwing daggers made of LIGHT in the Thor movie.

Not sure why he jumped out of the way when the Jet was firing on Hulk in the Hellicarrier tho. nobody ever said.

Simple answer: reflex. Thor is used to fighting opponents who can hurt him, so he attempts to dodge or block attacks, even if they probably aren't powerful enough to do anything.

Same deal with Sif: she showed up in an episode of AoS, and blocked a lot of gunfire with her shield. When someone snuck up on her and shot her with a shotgun point blank in the side? Didn't really do anything.

 

[The Guard]

Thor, in the MCU, seems to be as strong or as powerful as the plot needs him to be.

How much stronger can you get?

I think someone else said it best...what matters more is his durability, his ability to get back up and into battle after being wounded and so forth.

 

[Incredible Hans]

Simple answer: reflex. Thor is used to fighting opponents who can hurt him, so he attempts to dodge or block attacks, even if they probably aren't powerful enough to do anything.

Same deal with Sif: she showed up in an episode of AoS, and blocked a lot of gunfire with her shield. When someone snuck up on her and shot her with a shotgun point blank in the side? Didn't really do anything.

Which makes a lot of sense.

You are on a foreign world. People are shooting at you. Of course you are dodging/blocking. You don't know for sure if they have weapons that can harm you.

 

[Rock Sexton]

People are blowing he isn't powerful out of proportion, it's more like we have yet to see all his powers and he hasn't done anything mind blowing yet.

But has he been hurt yet? No, he has fought a 400% IM the Hulk Kurse Malekith (with Aether), been stabbed by an Asgardian dagger fallen thousands of feet to the ground and has barely broken a sweat, he was the only one not struggling at some point in the final battle in New York. He defeated the destroyer in about 5 seconds defeated loads of Frost Giants and he clearly spent between the Avengers and Thor 2 cleaning up the 9 realms.

Said this before and I'll say it again .... they can't keep falling back on the durability card in order to show that he's on another level. Thor isn't supposed to be a bodyguard who simply absorbs hits from drunken patrons as they're dragged out the door. The guy can fly, jump high, and hit hard. They should be able to get more creative with that. .... he's also a guy who's led armies (not much unlike Cap in that regard). I want to see a better depiction of it all.

 

[CoherentChaos]

It'd be nice if Asgardians eventually learn this and start to not give a crap about conventional firearms. I'd like to see some criminal (in like an opening sequence that establishes Thor as a regular hero on Earth) try to threaten Thor with an assault rifle, only for Thor to just casually walk up to him. Gunner decides to empty the magazine, point blank on Thor, and Thor just kind of rolls his eyes. Ass kicking commences. Just a little 'tanking' moment from Thor is all I ask.

Now when the weapons that

Spoiler

Garret and friends

take from the Fridge start making their way to various armories, I can see Thor later encountering them and resorting back to the warrior instinct to defend himself, cause these things can actually hurt him, even if just marginally.

And yes, against stronger foes than just 'guys/aliens with guns", I want to see him unleash his powers and get creative with his fighting strategy.

 

[The Guard]

The guy can fly, jump high, and hit hard. They should be able to get more creative with that. .... he's also a guy who's led armies (not much unlike Cap in that regard). I want to see a better depiction of it all.

Better in what sense?

 

[Rock Sexton]

Better in what sense?

His overall fighting abilities. I'm the biggest MCU Thor fan there is, but honestly he's been a little one-note as of late.

 

[Incredible Hans]

His overall fighting abilities. I'm the biggest MCU Thor fan there is, but honestly he's been a little one-note as of late.

Don't say this. I said something similar some days ago and got trolled for hours by a certain member of this forum...

 

[The Endless]

It's pretty clear Thor hasn't been done justice when it comes to his powers and fighting ability. No director or choreographer has been able to figure out an effective looking fighting style for him.

And there is a severe lack of imagination when it comes to showing his abilities. They haven't even scratched the surface when it comes to Thor yet. All he seems to do is stand there hitting people with his hammer or throwing it. Or hitting them with bolts of lightning.

1. Why is he always grounded? I want to see him dog fighting like Superman or Iron Man
2. Why does he just whack people with Mjolnir or hit them with lightning? I want more weather manipulation, tornadoes, hurricanes, snow storms etc. Show us some energy manipulation or even have him create a dimensional rift/black hole like the comics. Imagine him creating a dimensional rift inside an active volcano and dumping it on Ultron or something? Cool as hell.

I think Hemsworth is great in the role. But he has been short changed just as much as we have i think. He needs to be more vocal like how Evans was with updating Cap's fighting abilities. I want to see the Thor from the comics... who is basically a much more versatile Superman.

 

[yllum]

His overall fightinig abilities. I'm the biggest MCU Thor fan there is, but honestly he's been a little one-note as of late.

Yes, great to see an thor fan agreeing with me that thor is short changed in MCU.

I feel that thor fight against the frost giant in thor 1 is his best fight so far. do you like that fight?