Age of Ultron Thor should be more powerful!!

[CoherentChaos]

It's neat, yes, but I don't know how they could avoid it being OP. Plus they'd have to have him acquire the ability somehow, or else all the "oh no the Bifrost was blown up" drama was for naught. Maybe after all of the portal shenanigans in Dark World, Thor looks into implementing that into Mjolnir?

 

[The Endless]

I don't necessarily expect all those powers from the comics transferred to the films. I'm just noting the potential for Thor. The film makers haven't even scratched the surface yet.

I mean, how can anyone be truly happy with his portrayal? The guy barely even flies. It's like in the Kurse fight he repeatedly just throws his hammer at him or tries to go toe to toe with him even though he is clearly physically outmatched.

I mean what, is Thor a ****ing idiot or something? Has he forgotten he can manipulate the weather and fly?

His actual fighting style also leaves a lot to be desired. He's supposed to be a veteran of countless battles spanning millenia.

There is a distinct lack of imagination and creativity when it comes to Thor himself. He has not been done justice. Loki has been done more justice than Thor. Who denies this?

 

[Herolee10]

Loki has been done more justice than Thor. Who denies this?

I don't know about that...

I mean at least Thor has most of his powers within the MCU. It's really just been the lack of creativity that's prevented the character from displaying all of those abilities properly on screen.

Loki on the other hand, as far as his MCU counterpart goes, has really been downgraded when it comes to his powers.

The last time that I checked, the Loki from the comics didn't need a magical weapon in order to create energy blasts and was able to use more magical abilities than simply creating/casting illusions.

 

[The Endless]

Oh Loki has been nerfed a bit too sure. All the Asgardians have. It's understandable to some extent.

But i mean overall. Loki just seems to have had more emphasis than Thor, in terms of characterization etc. Ironically, it's Thor standing in Loki's shadow most of the time.

 

[Herolee10]

Oh Loki has been nerfed a bit too sure. All the Asgardians have. It's understandable to some extent.

But i mean overall. Loki just seems to have had more emphasis than Thor, in terms of characterization etc. Ironically, it's Thor standing in Loki's shadow most of the time.

You can thank the power of Tumblr for that.lol

Yeah, I don't know about anyone else, but "Thor: TDW" especially felt more like a love letter to Tom's and Loki's fans in general than it did as an actual Thor sequel given the emphasis and attention that Loki got.

Thor was mostly there to fill up the action quota, but Loki was the one that took up the character development/arc part.

I think the first Thor film is like the only time where I feel like both characters got a equal treatment in action sequences, attention, and character arcs in a MCU film...and it was definitely the film with their best performances imho.

 

[The Endless]

Yea i totally agree. They both had some great character moments in the first one.

 

[BoredGuy]

The first Thor is very underrated in terms of the MCU films
Outside of the fight with The Destroyer being too short, I thought that movie was damn near perfect, better than Cap 1, IM2, or TIH, and miles above Thor 2

Now if only they can make Thor 3 more inventive and fun and less grey and somber like TDW, we'll be in good shape.

Maybe the Big 3 just have to all get through one crappy movie to come out better for it

 

[Joeyjojo72]

So what do you guys think would be a satisfying arc for Thor in this movie?

 

[Ghostcrow13]

^ I'm not sure if there needs to be specific arcs for the characters apart from Hulk and Hawkeye, the character arcs should be group arcs if you know what I mean?

In which case I would like to see a stronger bond forming between Cap and Thor, and some Thor vs Stark science vs magic talk, and Thor and Hulks special bond where it kind of appears they hate each other but actually respect each other.

 

[Figs]

The first Thor is very underrated in terms of the MCU films
Outside of the fight with The Destroyer being too short, I thought that movie was damn near perfect, better than Cap 1, IM2, or TIH, and miles above Thor 2

Now if only they can make Thor 3 more inventive and fun and less grey and somber like TDW, we'll be in good shape.

Maybe the Big 3 just have to all get through one crappy movie to come out better for it

I guess you missed all the complaints that TDW had too much humor, and a lot of it wasn't good. So many people want Thor to be more powerful or show off more of his powers in these next few films. That's perfectly understandable and I do agree but my main want in Thor 3 is to not have Darcy or any other waste of time side characters from Earth.

 

[BoredGuy]

^Oh I agree
I mean, I want there to be humor, but I want it to actually be good next time

and by "fun" I moreso mean that I want it to look like the filmmakers and the cast are actually enjoying themselves.
Cap:TWS, for instance, had much less forced humor than Thor:TDW, but at the same time, you could see how much energy and fun everyone involved brought to it

 

[Figs]

^Oh I agree
I mean, I want there to be humor, but I want it to actually be good next time

and by "fun" I moreso mean that I want it to look like the filmmakers and the cast are actually enjoying themselves.
Cap:TWS, for instance, had much less forced humor than Thor:TDW, but at the same time, you could see how much energy and fun everyone involved brought to it

I'm hoping in the next Thor film they really stay away from Earth. I know he's supposed to be Earth's protector but they were full of **** last time when they said TDW was going to explore the other realms.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I really want Thor and his power set to be a big part of the team taking on Ultron. The power of Asgard SHOULD be beyond the experience of a newly created Ultron. Not to mention Thor is one of the biggest guns the team has traditionally had. He should be a hell of a trump card to pull out. I've felt that they still have not done as good a job as they could have in showcasing his power levels. He should be someone that the public should think of as in the MOS-Superman/A1 Hulk level of strength. He should be, but outside of his fight with IRON MAN that's not particularly evident. And I don't think adding in all the omni-powers that the hammer had back in the day from the comics is the answer, though some of it would be nice. The problem then is that it would reinforce the notion in the general audience that Thor's true physical power is dependent on the hammer. He needs to be shown doing monumental (like literally lifting or destroying a monument ) while the hammer is flying about away from his hands, or something, to get through how powerful he is. I always liked the end to the LAST VIKING story by Simonson because Thor lifts Fafnir up and tosses the body. Hauling up a mini Godzilla aint nothing to sneeze at. If they aren't careful Thor exhibiting that level of strength in future films will be seen as deus ex machina by the audience. Establish his physical bona fides soon Marvel. And yeah, let's see some of Mjolnir's more exotic powers too.

 

[The Endless]

Imagine Thor flying up into the atmosphere, creating some kind of hurricane or storm, then absorbing it into Mjolnir. Mjolnir now contains the full force of a hurricane... then have Thor unleash it in one concentrated blow to Ultron's head. BOOOOM!

I'd also like to see him flying more. Some actual dog fighting like Iron Man.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I'd love it if expectations were flipped on it's head, and say, Banner/Hulk get injured and it's Thor that's tasked with going toe to toe physically with Ultron. Have him do that in the middle of a cyclone Thor's made, hitting Ultron with fists and hammer strikes. Sorry, but this is an area that Marvel Studios needs improvement with. Back in the day there was genuine rivalry when it came to strength between Thor and Hulk. Make it so for the live action films I say.

PS: Again, it's not that Thor has not had power moments, but they feel inconsistent. Frustratingly so. He's powerful enough to smash the Bifrost in a couple of blows, or tear through IM's armor like tissue paper one moment, but seems just kinda strong in others, kinda invulnerable... It drives me crazy a little.

 

[The Endless]

Yea, there hasn't been a consistent portrayal of his abilities so far.

I think out of the main Avengers they clearly haven't nailed down Thor's characterization and abilities like they have the others.

Like in the first Thor, he unleashes a blast that destroys a huge chunk of Jotenheim. At the end he literally one shots the Destroyer.

But in the subsequent films he hasn't really done anything on that level. Although him using the Chrysler building as a super lightning conductor in The Avengers was pretty awesome.

 

[Herolee10]

Heck, in the first Thor film, we saw him sending several Frost Giants flying whenever he landed a hit on them with his hammer and yet in TDW, he only sends them falling onto the ground.

I think that if we had gotten a Thor film where it had the budget of TDW and Alan Taylor as its DP, with Kenneth as its Director again, then we would get a much better Thor film because Kenneth definitely understands the characters and mythology better than Taylor does imho. The only things that were really working against Kenneth, imho, were the budget for the first Thor film and the time frame that he had to work with.

Plus, Thor was the one character perhaps back then where the executives at Marvel Studios were least confident in bringing successfully to life on the big screen due to the character's unique mythology when compared to the more Earth-Based heroes that they were working with, so it's not surprising that Thor wouldn't be given the required budget and time needed to really make his world come to life.

 

[jaqua99]

I really want Thor and his power set to be a big part of the team taking on Ultron. The power of Asgard SHOULD be beyond the experience of a newly created Ultron. Not to mention Thor is one of the biggest guns the team has traditionally had. He should be a hell of a trump card to pull out. I've felt that they still have not done as good a job as they could have in showcasing his power levels. He should be someone that the public should think of as in the MOS-Superman/A1 Hulk level of strength. He should be, but outside of his fight with IRON MAN that's not particularly evident. And I don't think adding in all the omni-powers that the hammer had back in the day from the comics is the answer, though some of it would be nice. The problem then is that it would reinforce the notion in the general audience that Thor's true physical power is dependent on the hammer. He needs to be shown doing monumental (like literally lifting or destroying a monument ) while the hammer is flying about away from his hands, or something, to get through how powerful he is. I always liked the end to the LAST VIKING story by Simonson because Thor lifts Fafnir up and tosses the body. Hauling up a mini Godzilla aint nothing to sneeze at. If they aren't careful Thor exhibiting that level of strength in future films will be seen as deus ex machina by the audience. Establish his physical bona fides soon Marvel. And yeah, let's see some of Mjolnir's more exotic powers too.

Idk. Look at the fight with Hulk. An angry Hulk, probably was trying to kill Thor. Thor was dominating the fight, physically, while holding back, mind you. the ONLY advantage Hulk had at all in the fight was because they went into a room that was hardly bigger than Hulk, giving thor an extreme limit when it comes to moving and fighting, if he had, given the potential collateral damage.

The fact that in the final battle that every avenger was struggling at some point, except thor, and his insane level of durability shows a lot. Look at his fight with Kurse. Kurse' strength was clearly dwarfing anything we saw from Hulk. And he was pummeling Thor, who remained conscious.

Yes, Thor's feats have left a bit to be desired, but man, it seems pretty damn clear to me that in terms of heroes, Thor rather obviously above everyone, including Hulk.

 

[Giesteira]

Regarding the comments about the Asgardians being aliens (in the first page of the topic), in fact they are, but I was thinking that this could disrupt the story of Ragnarök...

Ragnarök would then be something random?

 

[terry78]

Hulk's strength comes from science whereas Thor's is more mystical, though the books have been trying to imply the former's is just as mystical.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Idk. Look at the fight with Hulk. An angry Hulk, probably was trying to kill Thor. Thor was dominating the fight, physically, while holding back, mind you. the ONLY advantage Hulk had at all in the fight was because they went into a room that was hardly bigger than Hulk, giving thor an extreme limit when it comes to moving and fighting, if he had, given the potential collateral damage.

The fact that in the final battle that every avenger was struggling at some point, except thor, and his insane level of durability shows a lot. Look at his fight with Kurse. Kurse' strength was clearly dwarfing anything we saw from Hulk. And he was pummeling Thor, who remained conscious.

Yes, Thor's feats have left a bit to be desired, but man, it seems pretty damn clear to me that in terms of heroes, Thor rather obviously above everyone, including Hulk.

We'll agree to disagree to a certain degree.

While I am half way with you with the carrier fight between Thor and Hulk (it was a great scene for both characters) I don't feel that Thor dominated that fight in the least, and again, to me, he comes off as obviously stronger than say Iron Man's suit, but not at Hulk level strength or durability. And he should be. As great as it was seeing him call Mjolnir to him and uppercut Hulk with it, again, that could easily be seen to reinforce the idea that he's dependent on the hammer. Had he, say, flipped or thrown Hulk off his feet, slammed him into the floor while holding onto a limb or the like, it would get the message across very well about his strength in comparison to ole Jade Jaws. As for Kurse... I don't want to start a TDW debate. I will just say... Yeah, nothing about that character in TDW impressed me in the least, and to me he sure as hell didn't come off like anything approaching Ang Lee/Incredible/A1 Hulk strength in the the least. Let's be honest, comic Thor is just as capable of smashing that incoming Leviathan with his bare fists as movie or comic book Hulk. I just would like to see something approaching that in the films in a definitive way.

 

[iambranded]

This is all i need to see and hear...and get super excited

 

[TheUnknownX]

I still want Thor to yell "For Midgard!" I was hoping he'd say it on the Avengers.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

I was just thinking, I reckon we are gonna see Ronan's Universal Weapon appear far more powerful than Mjolnir.

 

[metaphysician]

I rather doubt it. We saw some extremely high end performances in Thor 1 and Avengers. The Universal Weapon would pretty much have to nuke a city instantly in order to come off as more powerful.