Thousands rally for the Jena 6

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Give me a source that hasn't shown any bias.

Well, there is a different between biased news and blatantly extremist news.

Yes, and?

And nothing.

It's not about deflecting responsibility but recognizing a pattern.

If that was the case at all, they wouldn't be trying to get those 6 off completely. They want them to be set FREE!

Well obviously there is some misinformation involved in the case(one of the six is being charged severely because he already has a criminal record), but this one case isn't something new to Jena, and there seems to be a history of unfair treatment that at least on the surface is race-related, and one can see why people are upset.

These people that are upset don't understand the legal system and just want to have a reason to be upset.

 

[Abaddon]

and it's pretty damn easy to find one.

 

[BlackLantern]

I have to agree with MGS a little....apparently one of these kids is a troublemaker....lets say these kids get set free and one of them gets in even more trouble later on.....will the same people be wanting him set free and not held accountable for his actions yet again???

 

[chaseter]

If some of the mayonaise society in here justifies the noose hanging as freedom of speech then clearly not.

And people wonder where they got the idea that you were giving off a racist vibe That is the double standard sh** I am tired of.

 

[terry78]

Maybe we should just separate the Hype into the white Hype and the black Hype. Let the latinos and asians decide where they wanna go.

 

[chaseter]

Maybe we should just separate the Hype into the white Hype and the black Hype. Let the latinos and asians decide where they wanna go.

Or we can have a Hype Race Convention like on the Chapelle Show

 

[bell110]

The hypocrisy

Your source is a little bias.

Here's something I found from a less bias source: http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007707310322

A black youth was attacked by a gang of white kids at a party. Those responsible received no punishment.

On Dec. 1, there was a private, invitation-only birthday party at the Fair Barn. Around 11 p.m., five black students tried to come into the party but were told by a woman that they weren't allowed inside without an invitation. The boys persisted, saying they had friends inside. A white man then jumped in front of the woman, and a fight started.

A group broke the two up, and the woman asked the white man, not a student, and the black students to leave the party. Once outside, another fight started between a group of white men, not students, and the black students. Police were called, and a white man was arrested. He pleaded guilty to simple battery. Even though there were reports of one of the black students receiving injuries that required medical attention, there is no record of that.

A white man pulled a loaded rifle on a group of black men at a convenience store. When one of the men wrestled the weapon away from the assailant, he was arrested and charged with felony theft (conversely, the white man received on a $5,000 fine for carrying a loaded weapon).

On Dec. 2, there was an encounter at the Gotta Go convenience store that appears to have been spurred by the Friday night fight. The white man, not a student, gave one version of the story, while the three black students gave another. Walters based his charges on the statement from the witness and neither of the sides involved, and charged one of the black students with battery and theft.

The white man ran into the black students, something was said indicating they were going to fight, so the white man turned and ran back to his truck to get his firearm -- a regular-barreled shotgun with a pistol grip. One of the black students began to wrestle the white man for his gun, and the other students jumped in to help.
It is reasonable to assume, Washington said, that the two students who jumped in to help and the white man presumed a threat. Although there were reports of the black students calling the police, there was no report from either the Sheriff's Office or Police Department.

At another party, a group of black students attacked Justin Barker, a fellow student frequently named as an instigator in many of the events leading up to this altercation. Barker was taken to the hospital, released the same day and even felt well enough to attend a party later that night. The six youths arrested for beating him were charged with second degree attempted murder and each faced up to100 years in prison.
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/0...ically-viable/

Out of the 40-plus statements, including those from the black students and some of the students charged in the fight, none suggested that the Dec. 4 incident was imminently caused by the nooses, although many now are claiming that one could not have come without the other. There was no mention of the nooses at all in any of the statements, Washington said.

The first arguement: FIVE black kids tryed to crash a private party. Someone was charged in that incident, a white guy.

The second arguement: The white guy who pulled the gun was attempting to defend himself against 3 black guys.

The third arguement: Unfortunitely, the Town Talk doens't go into much detail. But, the Dissident Voice gets it wrong with 1) the fight was at school, not a party. 2) They wrote that Barker was a frequent instigator but doesn't mention that the black kids were the instigator of those first two incidents.

 

[bell110]

You know, the way people are treating this case makes it look like the black kids were just minding their business, and the racist, bigoted white kids were trying to start **** with them. It could well be the other way around.

One source I read said the noose hangers have no history of violent behavior. Yet Bell seems like a felon in training and Bailey obviously goes out looking for trouble.

What's so special about that tree that everyone want to sit under it? Is it the only tree in Jena? Is it cable ready and come with air conditioning? Maybe instead of sap, it oozes malt liquor? And if it does have such a negative history, why do black kids want to hang out under it anyway?

Maybe, just maybe, the white kids were the ones minding their own business, and the black kids said, "I don't like those white boys, lets purposely stand next to them and harass them."

 

[terry78]

^Why is there a tree that is specifically for white kids, though? I don't get that. There was already some tension in the town as it was. The beating was unjustified, but if you can justify hanging nooses, there's something wrong with you.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

^Why is there a tree that is specifically for white kids, though? I don't get that. There was already some tension in the town as it was. The beating was unjustified, but if you can justify hanging nooses, there's something wrong with you.

There is nothing concrete about a whites only tree. It could have been just a specific location where a specific group of people -- maybe that happened to be white -- hung out. I remember plenty of that sort of thing when I was in school. Unless we're talking about the Tree of Mana or something, I seriously doubt there was a tree big enough to shade the entire white population of the school.

Sounds to me like some black students assumed it was a white only section and tried to make it into something more than it was, just like this whole incident itself. Looks like they tried to start something because kids at that age, all rebellious and craving attention and all that...not unlikely at all they were acting on that teenage angst thing.

Plus that jives with the party incident. The black students tried to crash it, and started something because they were refused admittance. Someone has every right to refuse someone else entry to their property, and maybe the people responsible for the party knew if they allowed the black kids in -- perhaps with the trouble-making past of some of them -- there would be trouble.

 

[C.F. Kane]

Wait, I don't get this. The black students wanted to sit under a tree "where white students normally sat"? And they worked to get permission to do this?

First of all, why did they need permission to sit under the tree in the first place? I thought all segregation laws were nullified. Can someone explain this to me?

 

[BlackLantern]

Wait, I don't get this. The black students wanted to sit under a tree "where white students normally sat"? And they worked to get permission to do this?

First of all, why did they need permission to sit under the tree in the first place? I thought all segregation laws were nullified. Can someone explain this to me?

People in that area have a mindset that the whites have their places, and the black have theirs.....its this big cloud of indifference that lingers over a good chunk of the south.....

 

[Erzengel]

Maybe we should just separate the Hype into the white Hype and the black Hype. Let the latinos and asians decide where they wanna go.

Yeah last time I made an Asian thread, it was deleted.

Of course the Black thread, got to stay but renamed.

 

[terry78]

I can't help it if we're special.

 

[Erzengel]

Or a then-mod, was the one who created it.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

^Why is there a tree that is specifically for white kids, though? I don't get that. There was already some tension in the town as it was. The beating was unjustified, but if you can justify hanging nooses, there's something wrong with you.

From the reports I've read (wikipedia) it's not so much a "white's only" tree, it's just the tree where most white kids hang out at lunch. Also on wikipedia, it mentions most of the black students hang out at the bleachers during lunch, does that mean it's the "black's only" bleachers? Although, that incident has nothing to do with the "Jena 6" arrest, it happened 3 months prior. Supposedly the football team started doing really well and the noose incident was totally forgotten. So, I guess racial tensions are fine as long as the Jena sports teams are doing well.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbc...070922&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=709220329&Ref=V2

A picture of one of the Jena Criminals. He has money all over him, money donated from unknown sources.

"Robert Bailey even posts a page on Myspace stuffing his mouth with hundred dollar bills he's been sent, above a caption that there are no fifties in his stack."

Pictures of Bailey, one of the six black students who have become known as the "Jena Six" after their December arrest in connection with the beating of Barker, showed him with bills in his mouth, fanned in his hands and spread across his body.

As of Friday, the pictures had been taken off of Myspace.com, a social networking Web site. Repeated telephone calls placed Friday to Bailey's mother, Caseptla Bailey, went unreturned."

Wow, gang up on a white kid and then get money! Awesome country we live in!

That's just ridiculous, especially since he was involved in the two incidents leading up to the beating and was the first to throw a punch. It shows he has no remorse for the incident.

 

[PyroChamber]

There's something I've never understood. Like many have said there is ignorance and ignorant people of all races that perpetuate these negative stereotypes.

But why is it that ignorance from our race (blacks) is always put out there more than a lot of the others, and not only that but celebrated by a few?

 

[BlackLantern]

There's something I've never understood. Like many have said there is ignorance and ignorant people of all races that perpetuate these negative stereotypes.

But why is it that ignorance from our race (blacks) is always put out there more than a lot of the others, and not only that but celebrated by a few?

maybe because its our own people advertising that ignorance???? Have you seen BET lately.....They seem to think that running gospel programming on Sundays makes up for the other 6 days of booty shaking, rim spinning, and Cristal pouring.....I don't know too many people that can afford Cristal, much less afford to be pouring it all over women....

 

[terry78]

When people that have never had money suddenly get a lot of it, they don't know how to deal with it. That's where the mindset stems from.

 

[Erzengel]

I really don't see it as much in other ethnicities but the whole "Uncle Tom" line is brought up whenever someone makes good. It's almost like they should be penalized for trying to better their lives?

 

[BlackLantern]

I really don't see it as much in other ethnicities but the whole "Uncle Tom" line is brought up whenever someone makes good. It's almost like they should be penalized for trying to better their lives?

That's what I've gotten.....and it's not like I'm rich or anything...I went into the service, then to college, and now I have a decent job.....and there is always someone willing to call me a sellout or an Uncle Tom

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

And the writer from Raybia's thread the other day says White people are at fault for Black failure.
I suppose Whites brainwashed them to look down upon people who get an education and become productive and affluent.

 

[PyroChamber]

When people that have never had money suddenly get a lot of it, they don't know how to deal with it. That's where the mindset stems from.

That's what Chris Rock once said, that's why there aren't many "wealthy" black people in the US. Lots of rich ones, but no wealthy ones.

I really don't see it as much in other ethnicities but the whole "Uncle Tom" line is brought up whenever someone makes good. It's almost like they should be penalized for trying to better their lives?

Actually, and maybe I'm alone on this one, but I think the whole "Uncle Tom" thing comes up not if you're successful but usually if you're successful in something that black folks aren't usually involved in. If you're a rapper, an athlete, an entertainer, or something like that not many people say anything bad.

 

[Erzengel]

The only acceptable way in some of their eyes of making good is in the entertainment or sports fields.

The answer to Pyrochamber's post is not an easy cut and dry solution but a multifaceted one. One being to stop looking down on those who do try and and better themselves through college and other professional fields and hopefully have those people influence others.