Sequels Thread for VILLANS in Spider-Man 4 and 5 (Don't make any more!)

[Venom 1988]

I really don't see Connor's/Lizard's arc branching over two movies

 

[Arcturus]

I really don't see Connor's/Lizard's arc branching over two movies

Agreed.

 

[thejon93]

I really don't see Connor's/Lizard's arc branching over two movies

I could see it happening, to tell you the truth. It depends though on how intense they're going to make The Lizard. I want to see him(when he's fighting Spider-Man) be pretty much unstopable. Also, it would work well if they introduce him at the end of 'Spider-Man 4', building up to why Kraven is "hunting" him. Not just some mediocre storyline where Kraven comes to NYC and says: "I'm gonna find that Lizard, because I have to prove my honour". If they wanna go in that direction, hire the Govenator to play the role, and we'll see how the film turns out.

 

[Visionary]

LOL... well I thought the same thing before SM3. I've learn, redundancy runs rampant with what Sony precieve works. Yes we know Sam wanted nothing to do with Venom, but didn't have the balls to say NO. Yet he left the door open with Connors' Symbiote sample. He could have easily shut the door closed forever... he didn't.

Whether you like the Symbiotes or not, they are hugely popular and would be a huge draw for those that wish to make barrels of money. Given they are "stupid enough" to strongly concider a "Symbiote Spin-off".... what makes you think, with all of their redundancy(case in point, MJ's kidnapping, sympathetic villain, themes, villain ties to Peter, etc) they want bring back the Symbiote, paving the way for its "Spin-off"

You follow what I'm saying. I've learn the hard way. It wouldn't surprise me one bit... but hey, we're just speculating at this point; but time will tell.

I get what you're saying, but they're going want to stay clear of symbiotes, people simply hated the way in turned out (I'm talking average movie-goers too). Raimi himself hated using the symbiote/Venom, but loved those repetitive elements that you named above, unfortunately. If they dare show a trailer with any hint of that black goop, that would be a clear sign for people to just wait and save their money for The Dark Knight's sequel, most likely a month or two after SM4. Bats is another reason why Sony can't risk people thinking that they're getting SM3 all over again.

 

[Visionary]

I really don't see Connor's/Lizard's arc branching over two movies

It won't have to, it was already announced that they're using TWO villains.

 

[thejon93]

I get what you're saying, but they're going want to stay clear of symbiotes, people simply hated the way in turned out (I'm talking average movie-goers too). Raimi himself hated using the symbiote/Venom, but loved those repetitive elements that you named above, unfortunately. If they dare show a trailer with any hint of that black goop, that would be a clear sign for people to just wait and save their money for The Dark Knight's sequel, most likely a month or two after SM4. Bats is another reason why Sony can't risk people thinking that they're getting SM3 all over again.

Man, 'Visionary', (I'm dead serious) you should own the rights to Sony. Your marketing plans make a hell-of-a lotta sense, and they're easily better than Sony's and Fox's combined.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I get what you're saying, but they're going want to stay clear of symbiotes, people simply hated the way in turned out (I'm talking average movie-goers too). Raimi himself hated using the symbiote/Venom, but loved those repetitive elements that you named above, unfortunately. If they dare show a trailer with any hint of that black goop, that would be a clear sign for people to just wait and save their money for The Dark Knight's sequel, most likely a month or two after SM4. Bats is another reason why Sony can't risk people thinking that they're getting SM3 all over again.

You make a good point; but all I'm saying is that I personally wouldn't be surprise if the Symbiote makes an appearence in the next flick in some form or fashion.....probably setting up the "spin-off".

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I really don't see Connor's/Lizard's arc branching over two movies

I second that.

 

[Terror Inc.]

Lizard/Kraven, which I've wanted since the end of the second one, and I'd love to see Mysterio, but I'm with the general consensus that Electro should be the one and only villain in the fifth, he's one bad mofo.

 

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^Ultimate suit

 

[Visionary]

You make a good point; but all I'm saying is that I personally wouldn't be surprise if the Symbiote makes an appearence in the next flick in some form or fashion.....probably setting up the "spin-off".

I think the filmmakers will avoid even mentioning the symbiote or Venom, plus, most people will be focused on the new villain(s) and story, and Sony better be too, looking ahead is the best bet. Putting the symbiote in SM4 or SM5 is risky for bad buzz, symbiotes now remind people of a bufoonish Dancing Peter. The Venom spin-off is its own movie, Eddie Brock is dead in the Spider-Man films.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Yeah... I just think for the most part, that is just your feelings... some may believe as you do.... I'm one; the fact of the matter is, many people love this version of Venom in the movie and don't see "dancing Peter" as bufoonish...but many see that scene as working in the context of the story that Peter has become a self-center bufoon as a result of the Symbiote. So although I for one may agree with you on that aspect, thousands of others if not millions, of movie goers, disagree with our assessment. Sony wants to put out a good money making film; but underline money making.

They appear to be serious about a spinoff, of what is still Spiderman's most liked/favorite villain. A bigger % of the average movie goer don't care one way or the other if the Symbiote or Venom makes a cameo appearence.... they just going to see Spiderman and the next main villain.... and Sony know this.

Besides, I think in a spinoff with Venom, I would think they will make it close to being rated-r but still be classified as PG-13.... which means a darker film compared to Spiderman... so what better way to make that transformation than to hint at something very dark in SM4. It will help that film come a little closer to the level that Batman has established, given how everyone doing comics-2-film(mainly D.C./Warner) wants to be darker now. What's risky is doing a spinoff that does not feature Eddie Brock(not Jr.). Putting Symbiote on any other character would be dumb and similar to how the comics **** him up.

 

[noctuz17]

I wanna see black cat, man! i dont know but the lizard and electro are just too weak for a one one one fight with spidey... unless of course they make electro a cool guy... i really want to see hobgoblin, they owe it to us since they killed harry in a gay way.

 

[Visionary]

Yeah... I just think for the most part, that is just your feelings... some may believe as you do.... I'm one; the fact of the matter is, many people love this version of Venom in the movie and don't see "dancing Peter" as bufoonish...but many see that scene as working in the context of the story that Peter has become a self-center bufoon as a result of the Symbiote. So although I for one may agree with you on that aspect, thousands of others if not millions, of movie goers, disagree with our assessment. Sony wants to put out a good money making film; but underline money making.

They appear to be serious about a spinoff, of what is still Spiderman's most liked/favorite villain. A bigger % of the average movie goer don't care one way or the other if the Symbiote or Venom makes a cameo appearence.... they just going to see Spiderman and the next main villain.... and Sony know this.

Besides, I think in a spinoff with Venom, I would think they will make it close to being rated-r but still be classified as PG-13.... which means a darker film compared to Spiderman... so what better way to make that transformation than to hint at something very dark in SM4. It will help that film come a little closer to the level that Batman has established, given how everyone doing comics-2-film(mainly D.C./Warner) wants to be darker now. What's risky is doing a spinoff that does not feature Eddie Brock(not Jr.). Putting Symbiote on any other character would be dumb and similar to how the comics **** him up.

The Venom spin-off will have nothing to do with what happens in SM4, Eddie Brock will still be dead in SM4, symbiote or not. What's the use of featuring more of the symbiote, unless you want to see it attach itself to someone who isn't Eddie Brock.

In what form story-wise do you want them to feature the symbiote in SM4, for what purpose and what will it be doing story-wise in film? And you better not say helping to create THE LIZARD!

Keep in mind, Eddie Brock is dead to all movie-goers.

I wanna see black cat, man! i dont know but the lizard and electro are just too weak for a one one one fight with spidey... unless of course they make electro a cool guy... i really want to see hobgoblin, they owe it to us since they killed harry in a gay way.

You're a fool if you think The Lizard or Electro is weaker than Black Cat. Electro with fry that ***** in seconds. Dude, go ahead with yourself. Damn Black Cat.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Well with Electro, what we have is an out and out villain. Which is something that definately wasnt the case with Sandman. It's obvious we were supposed to feel sympathy for him almost from the get go (insert the sick kid, and wife here). Which in turn, made him appear not as threatening as he could have been evoked as ("I dont wanna hurt you. Leave now!"). But with Stay Puft Sandman running around at the end, it kinda fell flat. Electro, thankfully, isnt a character that's been portrayed as being conflicted like Sandman. Which obviously in turn, lends itself the opportunity for Electro to be a definate, and visually interesting, villain for a Spidey sequel.

I guarantee Raimi will make Electro the victim... Vulture has the best shot of being a pure villain as does Kraven... even then I think Raimi will try to normalize them somewhat instead of making them pure baddies.

 

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[Visionary]

I guarantee Raimi will make Electro the victim... Vulture has the best shot of being a pure villain as does Kraven... even then I think Raimi will try to normalize them somewhat instead of making them pure baddies.

Yeah, Raimi has gone soft. I can't believe that this is the man who made a tree rape a girl. It seems like when some directors/actors have children, their material becomes juvenile and cutesy, so their children can see it. Happened to Eddie Murphy. Now Raimi is directing a horror movie that's PG-13, he's lost his creative and R-rated edge. Everything he does now is pretty much wussy.

 

[[A]]

Yeah, Raimi has gone soft. I can't believe that this is the man who made a tree rape a girl. It seems like when some directors/actors have children, their material becomes juvenile and cutesy, so their children can see it.

alright !!! good thing I have that movie around.. it's fun t:

 

[FaT_tONle]

Yeah, Raimi has gone soft. I can't believe that this is the man who made a tree rape a girl. It seems like when some directors/actors have children, their material becomes juvenile and cutesy, so their children can see it. Happened to Eddie Murphy. Now Raimi is directing a horror movie that's PG-13, he's lost his creative and R-rated edge. Everything he does now is pretty much wussy.

That's why I feel SM4 will be the best film since SM1/SM2... but SM5 will be complete cheeze... more so than SM3... this is the pattern that these franchises tend to follow. I can live with that as long as we get a decent SM4 though. Yeah I got low standards... no wonder the franchise is on the downhill...

 

[Visionary]

Then we've got to get those standards of your's and Raimi's up high. I'm not settling on low standards.

 

[8wid]

SP4: Lizard & Kraven
SP5: Vulture & Electro
SP6: Chameleon & Scorpion

 

[Venom'sDad]

The Venom spin-off will have nothing to do with what happens in SM4, Eddie Brock will still be dead in SM4, symbiote or not. What's the use of featuring more of the symbiote, unless you want to see it attach itself to someone who isn't Eddie Brock.

In what form story-wise do you want them to feature the symbiote in SM4, for what purpose and what will it be doing story-wise in film? And you better not say helping to create THE LIZARD!

Keep in mind, Eddie Brock is dead to all movie-goers.

Vision, I think you are misunderstanding what I'm saying here.

First of all, more than anything I wish Sam, Tobey, and everyone else would simply go away and recast the franchise. Given this film will be called "Spider-Man 4", there goes my hope for a reboot.

However, I'm totally against bringing the Sym or Venom back... I'm suggesting that because they are so interested in doing a "Spin-off" and Sam Raimi left that door open with Connors' sample, it simply wouldn't surprise me that the Sym or Venom return, "in cameo fashion", not featured. Come on. And yes Jr. is dead, but I was speaking more on the lines as them introducing Classic Brock for the "Spin-off"

I nevered like Jr. in the Ultimate, didn't like him being in the film.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Vulture has the best shot of being a pure villain

Honestly.... I thought the same about DocOck.

 

[Cagefighterkip]

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this look would work for the movies imo

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

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Personally, I'd really like to see an updated version of classic Electro or just staying true to classic Electro's origin in general rather than Ultimate electro. If they want to take elements from Ultimate Electro, fine, but I do think they will stay more focused on taking elements from classic Electro,