Sequels Thread for VILLANS in Spider-Man 4 and 5 (Don't make any more!)

Who should Spidey tangle with in 4 and beyond?

  • Lizard

  • Kraven

  • Scorpion

  • Rhino

  • Shocker

  • Carnage

  • Hobgoblin

  • Electro

  • Vulture

  • Mysterio

  • Other


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I think it's kind of cheap to want Carnage in the film just to have Spider-Man be similar to The Dark Knight. I don't want a character "as twisted as the Joker" or anything that "rivals Ledger's Joker." I've already seen the Dark Knight. That's like having Black Cat being in the films, she's just a copy of Catwoman and not very interesting.

Spider-Man isn't Batman.
I didn't mean that, if you were referring to me. I mentioned Ledger' Joker because that is the best interpretation of a villain that I've ever seen. Robert's acting is so good that it would be for Carnage what Ledger was for Joker. that is, he lived the character. I believe Robert would do the same. and he already looks like a villain and knows how to interpret a psycho.
actually, I think Ledger watched some episodes from Prison Break and learned a little with Knepper's interpretation of a killer to play the Joker. the habit of licking the lips and looking weird while talking are some of T-Bag's (Robert's character) characteristics.
 
I didn't mean that, if you were referring to me. I mentioned Ledger' Joker because that is the best interpretation of a villain that I've ever seen. Robert's acting is so good that it would be for Carnage what Ledger was for Joker. that is, he lived the character. I believe Robert would do the same. and he already looks like a villain and knows how to interpret a psycho.
actually, I think Ledger watched some episodes from Prison Break and learned a little with Knepper's interpretation of a killer to play the Joker. the habit of licking the lips and looking weird while talking are some of T-Bag's (Robert's character) characteristics.

I think he was referring to me. I dont want a spiderman movie to be a dark knight rip off. I understand the differences between spider-man and batman, as I do the differences between carnage and the joker... I just think one of the dark knights strong points was its realism... which included having a villain who seemed truly deranged. The human mind can be a scary thing... the mentally unbalanced are the major cause behind humanitys belief in existence of 'true evil'.
A character thats truly criminally-insane, while in the boundaries of realism, can really create an atmosphere for the audience. Carnage could make people see the devil in the flesh... and symbiote.
 
I think he was referring to me. I dont want a spiderman movie to be a dark knight rip off. I understand the differences between spider-man and batman, as I do the differences between carnage and the joker... I just think one of the dark knights strong points was its realism... which included having a villain who seemed truly deranged. The human mind can be a scary thing... the mentally unbalanced are the major cause behind humanitys belief in existence of 'true evil'.
A character thats truly criminally-insane, while in the boundaries of realism, can really create an atmosphere for the audience. Carnage could make people see the devil in the flesh... and symbiote.

Joker's not insane, he's a criminal mastermind. Someone who's mentally imbalanced couldn't pull some of the schemes Joker did in The Dark Knight. Joker's way smarter than Carnage.

I think someone like the Joker, a smart capable person, who wishes for the destruction of society is more 'true evil' than someone who's mentally imbalanced.

Either way, the Joker was the highlight of The Dark Knight, due in part to the realism portrayed in the film, and Ledger's peerless performance. I think that Carnage might be lucky enough to have a great actor attached to him leading to a memorable performance, but he'll for sure never be known for being in a film that's realistic.

So the Spider-Man films should move away from that, simply for the fact that using Carnage would see too much like trying to emulate The Dark Knight. You can draw a lot of parallels between Batman and Spidey's villains, so use a villain that's really unique to Spider-Man, like Kraven the Hunter, or the Lizard. They used Sandman, but Nolan will never use Clayface so that's okay. But stay away from Carnage, who's already too similar to Venom that you might as well use Venom, and Black Cat, who's a Catwoman knock off.

I love Carnage, and Venom, but they should use a better villain.
 
Joker's not insane, he's a criminal mastermind.
he is an insane criminal mastermind. he is crazy, psychotic. he can do everything you imagine and everything you don't in the worse way.
just look how he moves, looks, and thinks.
don't you think a guy using white make-up, lipstick, green paint in the hair with a purple suit or a nurse suit blowing up a hospital and almost two ships isn't insane?
I don't know what it is, then.
 
he is an insane criminal mastermind. he is crazy, psychotic. he can do everything you imagine and everything you don't in the worse way.
just look how he moves, looks, and thinks.
don't you think a guy using white make-up, lipstick, green paint in the hair with a purple suit or a nurse suit blowing up a hospital and almost two ships isn't insane?
I don't know what it is, then.

Exactly. You know how many serial killers and mass murderers are extremely book smart?
 
he is an insane criminal mastermind. he is crazy, psychotic. he can do everything you imagine and everything you don't in the worse way.
just look how he moves, looks, and thinks.
don't you think a guy using white make-up, lipstick, green paint in the hair with a purple suit or a nurse suit blowing up a hospital and almost two ships isn't insane?
I don't know what it is, then.

He knows what he's doing, therefore; not insane. Just evil. He's psychotic, sadistic, and a genius, and he understands he's a danger to others. Crazy people don't.
 
He knows what he's doing, therefore; not insane. Just evil.

Of course he's insane. Insane does not equal stupid. Dr Hannibal Lecter, Annie Wilkes in Misery etc. They were all insane. That doesn't make them stupid, and not know what they're doing.

Some of the most devious and clever villains in the world are insane. Joker knows exactly what he's doing. It's just that what he's doing is logical to him. That's his insanity.
 
He knows what he's doing, therefore; not insane. Just evil. He's psychotic, sadistic, and a genius, and he understands he's a danger to others. Crazy people don't.
man, "crazy" doesn't mean stupid. "insane" doesn't mean stupid. someone can be intelligent and insane at the same time, in the same way that someone can be an autist and actually a genius. look at the Zodiac killer, he is really intelligent for all those codes he did (and maybe not being caught until this very day) but insane because he goes killing innocent people without a reason.
insane people are not people unaware of rationalize. they just think in their own way. they have a distorted psychology. how can you look at Joker and say he is not insane?
the fact that he does what he does is insane. the fact that he kills people and goes laughing at it is insane. the fact that he believes that chaos is the true path is insane. killing innocent people for no reason is insane. Joker is very intelligent, but also twisted and insane.
 
He knows what he's doing, therefore; not insane. Just evil. He's psychotic, sadistic, and a genius, and he understands he's a danger to others. Crazy people don't.

Psychology is an interest of mine. Others may not see it but superhero stories are a goldmine for characters with bizarre complexs. (which seems to be whats making Dexter so popular)

Something I thought was interesting was that you said the joker was 'true evil' when what I was pointing out was that 'good' and 'evil' are manmade illusions. the insane are not always incapable, most genius are said to be alittle insane. Do you think hitler was not insane? Nuff said.
 
I hate to be a kill joy, but psychologists never use the word "insane." Thats a legal term, not one used in psychology. So a lawyer defending the Joker would certainly use the term "insanity", but a doctor at Arkham would not.

In my unprofessional opinion, the Joker (and likewise Carnage) are anti social personalities and narcissistic. They have a grand plan for the world (ie, life is meaningless, so disrupt the social order) and want the world to agree with them. They couldnt care less if people get hurt. Heck, the more the merrier.

Psychology is an interest of mine. Others may not see it but superhero stories are a goldmine for characters with bizarre complexs. (which seems to be whats making Dexter so popular)

Something I thought was interesting was that you said the joker was 'true evil' when what I was pointing out was that 'good' and 'evil' are manmade illusions. the insane are not always incapable, most genius are said to be alittle insane. Do you think hitler was not insane? Nuff said.
Nikola Tesla believed he could talk with aliens and Hitler thought there were people in his room at night trying to kill him, even after others came into his room and saw he was alone.
 
No joys been killed. thats a good point... about insane being a legal term. Thats the funny thing... who really decides whats sane? Religious belief would be considered insanity if not for thousands of years of acceptance... or oppression. And for the record... I think Tesla COULD talk to aliens.
 
Eh, some of the most talented and intelligent people we admire and have admired over the years were actually pretty nuts when you sit down and think about it. If they were like everybody else, they wouldn't be where they were, I guess.
 
I think The Lizard is definately in, we WILL be seeing him in the 4th movie IMO, I would LOVE for the other one to be The Scorpion, with The Lizard helping Spiderman to defeat him at the end.
 
I think The Lizard is definately in, we WILL be seeing him in the 4th movie IMO, I would LOVE for the other one to be The Scorpion, with The Lizard helping Spiderman to defeat him at the end.
I think we need Spidey to really PO JJJ before we'll see Scorpion. If they could somehow tie in JJ thinking Spider-Man caused MJ to leave John at the alter, that might do it. Still, that was way back in Spider-Man 2, if JJ were to get revenge, it would have been in Spidey 3. Maybe Jonah's wife could be accidentally killed as Spider-Man fights a bad guy.
 
Spidey could be hated and feared by the city once more, like he was in SM1 and 2. JJ wants to give the city a true hero. then comes Scorpion, but he goes berserk.
 
That's defenitely not a bad idea. :word::up:

Yeah, that actually makes sense. Gargan does some heroic things, but over time it starts to get to his head, and along with that, the serum and suit itself start to just slowly make him even more nuts, and he starts to view anyone that does anything remotely wrong, including Spidey, as against him.
 
I don't want a Spider-Man 3 repeat with overcrowded villains. So introduce Lizard as a villain in Spider-Man 4, but as a victim in Spider-Man 5 while being hunted by Kraven.
 
Spidey could be hated and feared by the city once more, like he was in SM1 and 2. JJ wants to give the city a true hero. then comes Scorpion, but he goes berserk.

Very good idea for Spiderman 4.
But like i said before, Sony wont be crazy enough to use both Lizard and Scorpion in the same movie.
 
Yeah, that actually makes sense. Gargan does some heroic things, but over time it starts to get to his head, and along with that, the serum and suit itself start to just slowly make him even more nuts, and he starts to view anyone that does anything remotely wrong, including Spidey, as against him.

It doesn't and would be an extremely bad idea; also if i may add, would be another prime example of the lack of ideas, poor character usage, inept story-telling and lazy writing.

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It doesn't and would be an extremely bad idea; also if i may add, would be another prime example of the lack of ideas, poor character usage, inept story-telling and lazy writing.

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OK, Mr. Arad, then what would you suggest?
 
I suggest not doing Mac Gargan/Scorpion in the first place. ;)


And with Sam's version of JJJ, it really wouldn't make much sense having this version of JJJ involve or responsible, in any form or fashion with MG/Scorpion.
 
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Very good idea for Spiderman 4.
But like i said before, Sony wont be crazy enough to use both Lizard and Scorpion in the same movie.
actually, I was thinking Scorpion for SM5.
alone.
 
actually, I was thinking Scorpion for SM5.
alone.

Scorpion + Shocker in Spiderman 4 or 5 = Awesome.:wow:

Yes, I'd like to see Scorpion alongside Shocker in Spiderman 4 or 5. That will be sweet as hell.
 
Man, I wouldn't mind a cameo by the Hypno Hustler.
 
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