TMOS Set & Official Photo Thread - Discussion Welcome - - - Part 12

[Dragon_316ca]

Does anyone know where the new pics in the no discussion thread came from?

From this individual: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Henry-Cavills-Cougars/256272474499052

 

[Fenrir]

From this individual: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Henry-Cavills-Cougars/256272474499052

"Henry Cavill's Cougars".

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Agreed. It's all about how you can see his lats from the front. With the exception of Gary Frank's Reeve inspired work and Earth One, Superman is typically portrayed as barrel chested with a strong V shape to his torso. As admirable as Reeve's commitment to looking like a physical embodiment of the character was for the time, he had string bean, tall man genetics. Even in Superman III, he often looked lanky and lacked the character's traditional thickness and width. Although Superman is supposed to be 6'4", he is typically drawn with the proportions of a person with more average height. Through a combination of genetics, greater muscle mass and a damn good muscle suit, I also think that Cavill is a much closer physical representation of the character's typical appearance in the comics.

Great post. I would only disagree with one thing: Although Reeve, at 6'4", had a "string bean" sort of physique, I don't think every guy with that stature is the same way. Although not as tall, Welling was pretty close to Reeve's height, and his physique was definitely superior to the late actor's and more on par with what Cavill has now achieved.

 

[Rogzilla]

Great post. I would only disagree with one thing: Although Reeve, at 6'4", had a "string bean" sort of physique, I don't think every guy with that stature is the same way. Although not as tall, Welling was pretty close to Reeve's height, and his physique was definitely superior to the late actor's and more on par with what Cavill has now achieved.

Um...huh?

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Um...huh?

I'm saying that T.Welling is probably only an inch shy of Reeve's height, and, in my opinion, he doesn't have that lanky sort of "string bean" look that DK was describing.

 

[DKDetective]

Great post. I would only disagree with one thing: Although Reeve, at 6'4", had a "string bean" sort of physique, I don't think every guy with that stature is the same way. Although not as tall, Welling was pretty close to Reeve's height, and his physique was definitely superior to the late actor's and more on par with what Cavill has now achieved.

Haha, agreed actually on that. I originally had "stereotypical string bean, tall man" physique but changed it because it seemed too long and awkward. No intention to imply that all tall guys are narrow and "string bean-y". Just that Reeve was like a lot of them and that it is harder to fill out a really tall frame (which is why most modern top bodybuilders are 5'6"-5'10").

 

[LordofhouseEl]

Reeve was the biggest Superman end of, in height and mass sure Cavill physique is more aesthetically pleasing but that's all. People are all over Cavills dick and are now trying to down play what the great legendary Christopher Reeve brought to the role of Superman.

 

[Lencho01]

Other than the yellow, I really like how the suit's colors look in this shot.

 

[regwec]

Reeve was the biggest Superman end of, in height and mass sure Cavill physique is more aesthetically pleasing but that's all. People are all over Cavills dick and are now trying to down play what the great legendary Christopher Reeve brought to the role of Superman.

I don't think that's it. The fact is that there is far more research into and understanding of the science behind bodybuilding nowadays. It used to be practically impossible to get into Cavill's shape, now it is doable in months.

 

[DKDetective]

Reeve was the biggest Superman end of, in height and mass sure Cavill physique is more aesthetically pleasing but that's all. People are all over Cavills dick and are now trying to down play what the great legendary Christopher Reeve brought to the role of Superman.

We're talking about movie actors which means that really matters is how they look, not how much they weighed. Cavill's physique is clearly more representative of comic book Superman's due to his proportions and how much he has filled out his frame with lean mass. While Reeve in Superman III was huge, he did it at the cost of putting on a good bit of bodyfat as he himself admitted. Shirtless, Superman III Reeve would probably have not have looked so super. No one is disparaging Reeve's commitment to the role or his accomplishments, but the physical expectations for actor playing superheroes have increased greatly since his day, in part helped by advances in training, nutrition and other sciences. However, in terms of muscularity, muscle shape, proportions, and definition, Cavill is for the most part objectively superior.

 

[LordofhouseEl]

We're talking about movie actors which means that really matters is how they look, not how much they weighed. Cavill's physique is clearly more representative of comic book Superman's due to his proportions and how much he has filled out his frame with lean mass. While Reeve in Superman III was huge, he did it at the cost of putting on a good bit of bodyfat as he himself admitted. Shirtless, Superman III Reeve would probably have not have looked so super. No one is disparaging Reeve's commitment to the role or his accomplishments, but the physical expectations for actor playing superheroes have increased greatly since his day, in part helped by advances in training, nutrition and other sciences. However, in terms of muscularity, muscle shape, proportions, and definition, Cavill is for the most part objectively superior.

I agree in part and I was mainly addressing the fact that people are calling Reeve a bean pole. Even at his smallest STM he never looked like a bean pole. Spandex isn't the most flattering on material and tends to compress. Cavill definitely looks amazing although I personally would have liked him bigger.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I agree in part and I was mainly addressing the fact that people are calling Reeve a bean pole. Even at his smallest STM he never looked like a bean pole. Spandex isn't the most flattering on material and tends to compress. Cavill definitely looks amazing although I personally would have liked him bigger.

What DK said (that I later quoted) was actually "string bean"; and, for the record, those are the exact words Reeve used to describe himself before getting in shape for the role.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP1DrCM02H0 (Fast forward to 2:22 or so)

 

[Ramsay Snow]

I couldn't believe that was Martha Kent - she looks so young in that pic! I thought she was Lana or something haha.

 

[superman2090]

Christopher Reeve is no where near as impressive as Cavill in terms of phsyique. Someone needs to post a shirtless pic of Reeve next to any one of the Cavill pics. I would but I'm on my phone right now.

Now I love Reeve. He was and always will be Superman to me. I saw STM in the theater as a kid and watched it every chance I could when my family got a VCR. Having said that, I don't think I could argue that Reeve is more impressive physically.

 

[Manosman]

Reeve was not a beanpole. He fit with the times. What he lacked in build (even though he was no small guy) he made up for with charm, charisma, and confidence.

IMO Cavill is just the right size. If he were even bigger, he'd look like he were some meat head. I think he looks fantastic, and yes bigger than Reeve. If he has 1/2 the charm, charisma, and confidence that Reeve had, (which I think he will) I think we will be in for a real treat. If Reeve were alive today, I believe he would be all on board for Cavill to take up his mantle.

 

[John-An]

new man of steel official poster

 

[Marvel Spider]

I really think anyone could have made the posters for this movie. The movie looks great, but the posters are lacking.

 

[Fenrir]

new man of steel official poster

I'm sorry I must've hit my head against a rock or something because I am seeing doubles of that symbol. I mean, really?

 

[DKDetective]

I'm sorry I must've hit my head against a rock or something because I am seeing doubles of that symbol. I mean, really?

I said the same thing about the first banner and all the fan manip posters using head on shots of Cavill. If you have a good clear shot of the S shield on the suit in the poster, having it in the logo/film name at the bottom looks redundant and weird. This poster definitely has the same problem.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

A dude in the Sideshow Collectors forums named IrishJedi has been talking about MOS from the "inside." I actually believe him, since he comes across as knowledgeable.

Spoiler

It's Zack's movie. No doubt about that at all.

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f there's a Nolan who deserves more than the usual Producer's credit, it's actually his brother: Jonathan. He helped save the mess of a script (by David Goyer) with Zack and his team at literally the 11th hour. Unfortunately, those guys won't get their due on script credit thanks to the WGA.

But I'll tell ya, when I read Goyer's script just before production I was pretty d*** concerned. And that was the draft Chris Nolan blessed and had story input on. Thankfully, his brother and others knew it could be vastly improved... and WB backed them. But Goyer will get the credit, which is a sham... but that's how the system works.

I will say that overall this does look and feel quite different than Zack's other films. But that's also because of him. I think he has a better feel for the subject matter and Supes and just let the material flow through him instead of the other way around.

On Nolan being on set and approving an initially flawed script:

Spoiler

I've been involved with the production since 2 weeks before shooting began. Trust me, Christopher Nolan's input and influence since that time has been quite minimal. And I'll reiterate: the draft of the Goyer script he signed off on was pretty d*** lame. Design choices and all tech decisions were all Zack and his team, as was the much doctored shooting script (with Jonathan ghost-writing a lot of it).

You'll never hear anyone at WB or elsewhere say that officially of course. And, for obvious reasons: they're using Chris Nolan's name to help sell people on the flick. And that makes perfect sense. Plus, him signing on as Producer is what got it greenlit in the first place. No one can deny that

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Spoiler

He's neither George Lucas on the INDY films (who shepherded the stories and was always on set) or Burton with the 3rd and 4th Batman films (who did absolutely nothing). Rather somewhere in between. He was barely on the set, if at all.

"This movie is straight from the heart. Aside from Star Wars or Batman this was a dream project for Zack. He never really said that outright, but we could tell. And it seems as if the results speak for themselves.

Oh, and I'll say it right here and now: the action sequences in this movie kick the ones on the TDK trilogy straight in the nads.

There is still some some slo-mo, though. "

Since the guy claimed that the design choices were totally Zack, I think we're going to see an emerging of an underrated mind. He's probably going to blow us away.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I'm no bodybuilding expert, but Reeve still looks bigger to me in the suit. Not just taller, but bigger. I have doubts Cavill could have pulled off spandex and nothing else, meaning no layer of rubber under the suit. And aside from the muscles, I think Reeve had a better face for Superman. He seems more masculine and mature, even considering Reeve was around 24 when he made the first movie and Cavill was around 28 when he made Man of Steel.

Reeve was not near as muscular and did not have nearly as much muscle mass as Cavill did for the shoot, I'm sorry to say but its really just an obvious observation.

Typically when a man is very tall and does have some muscle mass it makes him appear much larger because of it, but overall as far as pure muscle goes Cavill clearly has more of it.

Fitness and bodybuilding now is a whole different world than it was then and fans now expect actors playing heroes to look exactly like their comic book counterparts, while Reeve absolutely looked the part for the time period he wouldn't fit todays standards.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Reeve was not near as muscular and did not have nearly as much muscle mass as Cavill did for the shoot, I'm sorry to say but its really just an obvious observation.

Typically when a man is very tall and does have some muscle mass it makes him appear much larger because of it, but overall as far as pure muscle goes Cavill clearly has more of it.

Fitness and bodybuilding now is a whole different world than it was then and fans now expect actors playing heroes to look exactly like their comic book counterparts, while Reeve absolutely looked the part for the time period he wouldn't fit todays standards.

I think Chris Reeve, with his natural brown hair color, would have made a great Scott Summers by today's standards. His look and body type is quite similar to the character.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

 

[WoodyROM]

Ready to have a copy of this!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What books is that and when did it come out?